JHM 3 Liter RESULTS THREAD

I know I’ve been quiet over the past few months. Myself and everyone else at JHM have been busy testing, testing, and testing all the parts we have been working on to start the first phase of 3.0 advancement. We started this first phase knowing that the JHM 3 Liter ECU tune was a great addition to the car that was being held back by the stock sized DPs. Secondly, we knew that once we uncorked the exhaust that the added power of the JHM chip adapting up to a full exhaust would put a large load on the already prone to fail 3 liter clutch and dual-mass flywheel. With this in mind, We went to work on deep research.

The end of this research was actual hardcore testing at the track and because of that testing we had a VERY exciting weekend here at JHM. Without getting into too many details, it’s safe to say that we’ve completed the final phase of our research and development for our first batch of 3 liter performance parts. Most of you know that we’ve had several different products in development for quite a long time but we’ve never felt it necessary to release a lot of details about them. Even though we’ve had clips of a couple revs with the new downpipes or footage of some tire spinning launches courtesy of the new clutch, we thought it’d be inappropriate to post those videos without REALLY testing the products. We didn’t want to officially release anything until we had REAL, TRACK TESTED, PROVEN, RESULTS.

This past weekend, we went out and got those results. We got those results at the track, in true JHM fashion: With back to back to back 1/4 mile testing. while we were able to get solid data prior to this through other testing, we got hard core proof of what results can be had with the proper modifications to the 3 liter.

But first, let’s remind everyone where the 3 liter started before we show where we’ve taken it:

STOCK B6-A4 3.0:

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Not exactly fast, huh? (Even though that’s better than many chipped 1.8Ts :o )

STOCK B6-A4 3.0 Exhaust:
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Not thrilling, but it still shows potential…

From there we’ve now gone further and faster (and louder!). But before we get into the glamorous items like Downpipes, a Cat-Back, and a Lightweight clutch and flywheel, I’d like to share with everyone what some of the guys who have received our ECU tune found out. They’ve definitely seen the increase in horsepower from just a chip. And they’ve also seen that a stock 3 liter can run okay. But when you bump the power by adding some performance parts, you tend to see the weak spots in your car that are the result of not doing the boring, maintenance stuff.

So here’s a little Keaton@JHM PSA: KEEP UP ON YOUR REGULAR MAINTENANCE! When I first bought my 3 Liter it seemed to run well enough and everything looked okay when I peeked under the hood, scanned for codes, and checked the oil level. Before we started really getting into testing tunes and logging performance data, we did a full inspection of the car and found out that I had THREE separate vacuum lines that were damaged or completely missing. Additionally, we found that my spark plugs were toast! We replaced all of those vacuum lines and swapped in a new set of NGK Laser Platinums for my 3.0.http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/spark-plug-ngk-laser-platinum-oem-for-30l-v6-p-777.html. Those two things ALONE made a world of difference! It felt like I got a fresh new fresh car!!! It’s amazing how the car seemed fine but I didn’t know what I was missing until I updated my old, worn out parts with much needed, new maintenance parts. The lesson to be learned here is that regular and preventative maintenance are JUST as important as bolt-on modifications when it comes to making power and going fast. (great point… make sure to say this more then once) That’s why here at JHM we’ve had a FULL LINEUP of regular maintenance parts on our website ever since we started tuning the B6-A4 3.0…

At JHM we want to add power IN ADDITION TOO making sure we add a longer life to our cars. I made sure that we got the best replacement parts for the best deals. We know how hard it is to spend money on parts that aren’t going to make the car faster so I tried to address that by tapping all of our resources. I’m also trying to start stocking some of the other parts that tend to brake or fail on the 3 liter, so look for those in the store as well. Our hope here is to not just create a big power movement but to make sure we support you on what’s considered by some “the smaller stuff” on the car.

Click here http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/30-v6-c-21_62_64_302_303.html to take a look at everything we have to offer. A few key maintenance items to think about before you start modifying are the spark plugs I mentioned, good oil and a high capacity filter http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/oil-change-kit-jhm-motul-cess-8100-5w40-for-30l-v6-p-952.html, a new fuel filter http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/fuel-filter-mann-for-b6-a4-early-02-03-30-v6-p-772.html, a K & N air filter http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/air-filter-for-b6-b7-a4-kn-30l-32l-v6-p-750.html and timing belt components http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalog/jhm-b6-a4-30-v6-timing-belt-kit-p-788.html. Of course, there are a lot of other items to consider - many of which we have - but those are the basics. We want to make it so you don’t have to search all over the internet for the parts you are going to end up needing. I tried to add just about all the parts we need or that tend to break so let ME know if you need anything we don’t have listed on our site! ADDITIONALLY, we will BEAT any publicly/nationally advertised price out there for the B6-A4 3.0. Contact keaton at JHMotorsports dot com for more information.

Enough of the maintenance stuff! Let’s get down to the performance talk (but remember "regular and preventative maintenance are JUST as important as bolt-on modifications when it comes to making power on these cars!!!).

The first JHM 3 Liter Performance Product that we tested out was our JHM ECU Tune. While we saw immediate and noticeable improvement (as a few guys on here can attest to), we found out that this car is definitely corked from the factory on the exhaust side. Nonetheless, the ECU tune alone gave us solid gains throughout the RPM band, improving power response, driveability, With mid range and top end power increases. Compared to stock, a JHM tuned 3.0 likes to run a lot up top.

Next, we tested the removal of the stock catalytic converters on the B6-A4 3.0. After much guessing and debate, we finally took this car’s downpipes off and gutted those HUMUNGOUS cats. The 3.0 is both the same and a little different than Audi’s other 90 degree V motors: while each bank of the motor has a downpipe with both a pre-cat and a main cat like a B5 or B6/B7-S4, the B6-A4 3.0 has the pre-cat and the main cat sitting right on top of each other instead of spaced apart - pre-cat near the head and main cat further downstream - like the other motors. On the 3.0 they have twice the cat material located right off the back of the motor, creating a HUGE and IMMEDIATE restriction to airflow. We knew from all our past testing on the B5-S4 and then with the B6-S4 (albeit with much smaller cats) that these cats on the 3.0 had to go.

We promptly replaced these cat sections with straight, STOCK SIZED piping just to make sure we got data at every step. We didn’t want to jump right to increased sizing if we didn’t have too. So we ran the car again without an ECU tune and found that gutting the downpipes did give us a nice, moderate bump but the car was still really sluggish to respond to inputs and seemed to not make the power it should and could have. Without our ECU tune, the motor couldn’t take advantage of the increased airflow. All we had was more noise and a CEL! We made some adjustments to the tune and put it back on the car with straight pipes and we were pretty thrilled with the results. The changes that were found when we first put the ECU tune on were MAGNIFIED. The power response down low was awesome and once you got above 3000 RPM the car never stopped pulling, we were really impressed with what just gutting cats and adding our ECU tune could do but we still had a long way to go…

Knowing that we had made solid gains with the ECU tuning and gutted cats, we started looking for other areas of improvement in otherwise stock, 3.0 liter A4s. We pulled out the motor mounts and found that they weren’t just “normal” B6-A4 mounts. We searched through our stock of 034 motor mounts to see if they had a direct application, specific to the 3.0L, but we couldn’t find any. We continued to worked with our friends at 034 Motorsport to select the right density mount to offer an increase in driveline stiffness over stock 3.0 motor mounts while still making sure that we didn’t excessively increase vibrations in the cabin. After some research, we were able to find a mount. The result does for the 3.0 just what 034 has been doing for many other Audis: decreased drivetrain movement leading to better handling. While this is a modification that feels great on the street, these mounts definitely shined at the track this weekend… more on that later.

Next, we also took a look at the intake manifold and applied the principles from our 4.2L work to the 3.0. Again with some help from 034 Motorsport, we created a JHM/034 B6-A4 3.0 Intake Manifold Spacer Kit to help prevent heat soak of the intake manifold during prolonged periods of hard driving. Our intake spacers keep the intake temperatures down by 10 to 40 degrees Fahrenheit while increasing the length of the runners between the head and the manifold by 5mm. This spacing not only helps separate the heat of the head from rising into the manifold and soaking the air that travels through it but also provides a small increase in torque. We all know this motor needs all the help it can get!

After the spacers, I decided that it was about time my car got the JHM modification that started our company: a JHM SOLID SHORT THROW SHIFTER. Now the B6-A4 3.0 is interesting in that in seems to be a Frankenstein sort of car that Audi tried out a combination of different parts on. The 2002 to 2003 3.0s have the same transmission as the B5-S4 and other 2.7t cars, the 01E. The 2004 to 2005 cars have the 01X - 02X that every other B6-A4 has. So keep that in mind when you’re ordering your shifter. Anyway, we installed the shifter and I had the same smile on my face that I did when I put it in my 1.8T. While the 01E transmission in my car feels a little different, my JHM shifter still brings that same smile to my face that can only be had by confidently rowing through all of the gears in my V6. This was another modification that was an all-star performer when put through the strain that back to back 1/4 mile runs (hard launches and power-shifts) can put on a car.

Speaking of top track performers, one of the most effective upgrades we did to the 3.0 was to create a JHM V6 Lightweight Flywheel and Clutch Combo. Specifically created for the 3.0, our Lightweight Flywheel and clutch kit features an upgraded clutch disc that will take you all the way to JHM Supercharger power levels while still offering excellent, OEM-like, day-to-day driveability. The pressure plate we use in this kit comes from a B7-RS4 so not only is it’s clamp load overkill for (almost) anything you’ll do to this car, it also drives like an OEM setup!!! Additionally, the lightweight flywheel (that’s half the weight of the stock dual mass unit) solves two problems on this car: it increases the throttle response and allows you to make fine power adjustments while getting rid of a faulty, prone to failure, dual-mass flywheel design. And you get all of that for under $1000!!! The awesome holding power of this kit was an excellent asset at the track and really allowed the JHM 3 Liter Tune, Downpipes, and Cat-Back to perform to their potential.

Once we collected all of our data from the gutted, stock pipes, we worked to find a properly sized downpipe for the car. We tried out 2.25 inch pipes and found that while there were some minimal gains to be had, they weren’t enough to justify the labor for removing stock pipes, buying new down pipes, and installing them. After all the stock pipes are already close to 2.25 inches so doing that upgrade only to get a few tenths of an inch larger than stock would be just a waste of money. For the money, gutting your stock DPs would be a better option. So we put the exhaust diameter myth to bed.

Thanks for tuning in so far. There is more info to come. Let us know what you guys think of what we have so far. My PERSONAL email is keaton at JHMotorsports dot com. If you have 3 liter questions, comments, or concerns send them to me at that email address. I can’t wait to hear from you!

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VIDEOS TO BE POSTED SOON!!!

Well played! I don’t oen a 3.0 but I’m still excited for you guys. Lwfw/clutch for under a grand? Wow. (Compared to for the S4)

Great write up Keaton, you guys rock. I cant wait for the rest of the story and the results and videos.

I am truly excited for what is in store for me when my engine gets installed, I will be in touch

Great work

Yowza! LWFW/clutch for under $1000??? I don’t even own a manual and I find that exciting! This is all good motivation for me to start saving money ;D I’m interested to know more about what you discovered with the mounts, as I bought a cheap pair awhile ago but haven’t tried putting them in, maybe they don’t even fit lol.

Finally :slight_smile: I’m definitely looking forward to the downpipes and tune. But I guess I should probably check my maintenance first… ::slight_smile: :wink:

in for track times

X2. . . I kept reading expecting to see some slips after all that talk Keaton. Lets see the info!

There will probably be a JHM style video that reveals the timeslips.

Would be good to find, in advance, the fastest ever 1.8T 1/4 mile times for:

stage 0 (Stock)
stage 1 (tuned)
stage 2 (tune + bolt ons)
stage 3 (K04)
stage 3+ (Big turbo)

Not a range…the fastest.

Then when the 3.0 info drops, it will be easy to compare to the 1.8T cars. You guys should starta thread on AZ seeking the fastest of each stage 1.8T cars…get some discussion…and the forum will benchmark everything based on that. Get it done well before JHM announces this time (soon, so don’t delay).

Then when a time from a JHM 3.0 car drops on the scene, it will be instantly comparable, rather than a bunch of bitches saying ‘that’s not fast…I could have done that if I didn’t have a boost leak’ or ‘many stage X 1.8T cars are faster than that’ blah blah blah. You can say 'no they’re not. Look (and link the 1.8T results thread).

^^ already in the works

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=375.0

yeah, I meant on Audizine. That way everyone on Audizine reads it and contributes to it. Then it’s accepted as ‘fact’.

Then when JHM drops their 3.0 video, it will have meaning. Finding the information here, then saying ‘this 3.0 is fast…look…a bunch of 3.0 guys on audirevolution said these are the fastest 1/4 mile 1.8T times’.

Holds zero water. Can you imagine me starting a ‘any vids of stage II 2.7T cars beating 4.2’ thread here, then saying I’m faster than stage II B5 S4s because nobody posted anything fast here? It would be a joke. That’s why you start the thread and let the 1.8T guys fill it with info. Then when you show them 3.0 results, it’s up against the 1.8T guys’ own claims about what is fastest. Hard for them to backtrack.

p.s. 2 years ago I started just such a stage II B5 thread by the way…on Qfail B5 and AZ B5…and when they were unable to post videos of stage II B5 S4s beating B6/7 S4s, it really woke them the fuck up to the fact that the 4.2 cars are much faster than they thought. You have to do it, otherwise the ‘forum legends’ are just told over and over and over…without any facts.

^ahhhhh gotcha!

And yes. . . .I remember that going down in the B6/7 world back then. It was very interesting, even the B6/7 guys were sure that a stgII B5 would smoke the B6/7.

yup

and ever since that discussion with the B5 guys, they hated me even more for pointing out inconvenient truths, but they never tried that ‘stage I or II B5 will walk a B6’ shit ever since. That used to be the ‘norm’. Now it’s a blown up myth. Only the most aggressive, fan-blade-bending tuned B5 guys can keep up with/beat a B6/7. The rest are low 14 second cars.

I know what you mean, I think Keaton got tired of typing and wanted to go home. Either that or they like to keep us all in suspense.

I know this isn’t going to make things any better but keaton really went threw hell for all this testing. He had like 50 parts on his car and he was just beat up for data every step of the way.

I just want to keep this in perspective. The 3.0 is a hard nut to crack. Lets keep in mind that for the 1.8T it takes a 30+hp chip and full exhaust with no cats a different intercooler and in most cases a bigger turbo just to get into the mid 15 range. Both cars start off at about the 16.4 range. So a full second is a lot of work. The good part is a full second is also a big difference.

Needless to say. I smell a video teaser sometime late late in the next few nights

And that’s why we love Keaton and you to count - no homo lol

It’s crazy how much more power you need to put in a car to take a full second of your time in such a short distance. I guess that’s why it is the best place to proove the platform.

Can’t wait for the videos

I thought the 6spds were low 15’s stock?

Hey Guys -

Thanks for all of the interest so far. I wanted to get on here quickly before the holiday and leave you guys with a little more information, JHM-style. I thought this was an especially timely post based on all of the recent talk regarding the exhaust manifolds AND the arrival Lout Jnr’s motor. (By the way, Lout, Congrats! I saw your email come in and I will try to coordinate with everyone here to get back to you next week!)

The exhaust manifolds on these cars were one of the FIRST items we looked at when we started planning out our downpipe and exhaust system for this car. Based on what everyone has been discovering about their manifolds recently, we’ve realized that we were fortunate that my car had these smaller manifolds so we could research a solution and test it for everyone with a 3 Liter. Just like the “Zingo Mod” and sealing off the resonator at the MAF hose, this is another FREE power adder that we’ve gotten real results out of. We spend a lot of time looking for easy and free ways to improve the performance of this car that seems to have been corked from the factory. We want your cars to be FAST!

So, all you’ll need to do transform those small manifolds is a Dremel tool. Take off your downpipes and start grinding! It took us 20 minutes to open up the outlet of the manifolds by a little over a quarter of an inch. All you have to do is work the Dremel evenly around the opening and make sure that you create a nice, smooth outlet. Opening the mouth of the collector in this way greatly increases the airflow and will give your car’s exhaust note a deeper tone while adding a little more bass to it. Based on the airflow calculations our calibrator ran, this is an excellent modification to be done to these parts and turns what we all thought was a negative into a positive.

Here are a few pictures comparing the stock outlets that I had, un-modified to the stock outlets after we widened them out.

OEM Outlet:

http://audirevolution.net/addons/albums/images/264080775.jpg

JHM-Modified Outlet:

http://audirevolution.net/addons/albums/images/922404753.jpg

This easy and FREE modification works REALLY well when paired with a properly sized set of 2.5 inch downpipes and exhaust (and a properly calibrated tune). The outlets of those manifolds are a restriction but it didn’t take long for us to open them up to the right size to allow for proper airflow.

We’ve always tried to follow a very specific formula when we start out modifying a car. We didn’t just want to make parts for these cars for the sake of making and selling parts, we wanted to make parts that all worked together towards a final goal. Following this formula, we’ve designed our tune to take advantage of this manifold modification. Cars with this modification will flow much more air than stock - especially if you put on 2.5 inch downpipes and a 2.5 inch exhaust - but the stock ECU calibration won’t be able to do anything with that airflow. With the JHM tune, you’ll be able to get the maximum performance out of your 3 Liter since the tune will adapt up to the increases in airflow.

That’s all for now. I gotta get on the road for the holidays! Have a great weekend and feel free to contact us if you have any questions about performing this modification!

Based on our research into various performance archives and our intense real world research, stock 3 Liter cars are more like a low 16 second car - manual or automatic. I drove the crap out of mine at the track and barely squeaked out a 16.0. Dragtimes.com has a 3 Liter listed as going 15.8 but I don’t know how valid that entry is. There isn’t very much information associated with it.

You should try taking your car to the track. It’s a great experience and it really makes you aware of the differences between a 16 second car and a 15 second car, a 15 second car and 14 second car, etc… etc… The faster you go, the harder it is to go faster!

By most accounts, the 3 liter is a slow car going down the track. But in my first run with it, I was really surprised by how quickly the run went. Take your car out sometime, it’s a great way to learn more about the limits of your car and see how it stacks up to the competition all in a safe and controlled environment. You can’t argue with a time-slip!

More updates soon guys!

Thanks Keaton, I am stoked - look forward to speaking with you next week.

My brother and I were wondering what manifolds you got, we laughed and said it would be funny if you got the dodgy ones…turns out you did.

Looks like the dremel came to the rescue yet a again, so is this the ‘Keaton Mod’ - btw your pictures of the before and after are not there.

Hope you have a safe and fun holidays.