Just cause I guess some people haven't seen it and it's kinda cool...

you’re saying the Tial elapsed times are sucking or their traps?

Anyway, it doesn’t matter.

Why is a strong GT powered B5 (making less power than the Tial 770 superstars) able to run mid 10s @ 140 if the gearing is so bad?
Why is an RS6r powered B5 able to run high 10s @ 130 if the gearing is so bad?
Why is a K04 powered B5 able to run low 11s @ 125+ if the gearing is so bad?

The EPL tuned Tial 605 cars are running in the 12s because of gearing?
(Even though a self tuned one on a moderate pump/meth file went 11.9@116.7 and trapped 119 the same night?)

The EPL tuned 770 cars have hardly any data, but the one ran 12.X @ 128 because of gearing?
(Even though a Jfonz tuned 770 car went 11.1 @ 129.9)

Remember…all these cars had 01E gearing. It’s just fine, thanks.

Are you referring to Guruman’s car? His seems to be one of the only ones. I believe that the BIG frame turbos push the powerband out too far, and coupled with the LONG gears it just doesn’t fall as quickly back into boost as it should. I think that K04/RS6 turbos are the best suited turbos because of their very wide powerband and their ability to still make power, the perfect compromise. Oh, and yes gearing does affect trap times.

Trust me I’m not defending the 01E it is what it is

No I know you’re not defending the 01e…you’re saying its why the tials aren’t doing well, but I don’t see it as this much of a limitation.

There are half a dozen gt cars with 130mph trap speeds. Why is it ok for them (01e) but its no good for the tial guys?

I think there are other problems for the tial epl amd cars, not the b5s gearing.

I’m not defending the AMD/Tial cars just because I own one, but as for myself I have seen a drag strip twice in my life! I bet I’ll fall in the, as you say, a flop of a drag run (when I am actually able to make it out there) since I doubt I’ll be doing 11’s

I didn’t modify my car to 605 to drag race it. But that is just me…

Omg here we go again. ‘These cars aren’t made for the dragstrip’

It’s a power/acceleration test. That’s it. Spending $10,000-20,000 to generate more acceleration from your car, and then constantly downplaying the global standard measurement of a car’s acceleration in preparation for poor results is so backwards I can’t begin to say.

Tongues weren’t made for thermometers but guess what…that test requires us to put a themrmometer under your tongue. Its just a test.

I agree with you here. If we just sat here and said “our cars weren’t made for this” no one would ever mod one. Kind of a BS comment. I do understand why people don’t go though. Shit breaks and if you’re not fixing it (or even if you are) it sucks. I’ll be going Saki! Soon as the car is down here and the fans are done.

So you’re saying it’s tuning? I know one of the original VAST guys made some good track times with his setup but other than that I’d call the VAST kits a flop also. There are just a lot of these big framed 2.7Ts not doing much and it made me point to gearing

If your referring to me, I never said the car wasn’t meant for the drag strip or couldn’t handle a drag strip, I said at least in my defense I’m not a seasoned or even casual drag strip goer.

I am using the word “I” not “tials, AMD, car, tune, etc”

If you weren’t referring to me then disregard my comment…

I think “our cars weren’t made for this” CAN be a cop-out or used as an excuse. Though I also have no issue seeing the other perspective of a guy who might say “I personally didn’t build my car for this,” (read: I didn’t build my car for the drag strip and have no interest taking it there). Some people built their cars to be high performance daily drivers. Some might build their car to be a highway monster. Others might build their car for the drag strip. Some might have built their car for a road course. Just as the guy who might build his car with a slant toward acceleration from a dead stop might not have any interest to spend the time/money it might take to get out to run his car on a road course, people with other goals simply might not have the same interest/desire you have to even visit the drag strip. I don’t care to try to fault anyone for their own build preferences/goals or for risks they may/may not choose to take.

I do agree though, that it’s sometimes funny to see when people who hype their cars and go to the track come back with the asterisk our cars weren’t made for this next to their disappointing results. It definitely can be used as an excuse for poor results.

drag strips prove who can drive and who cannot, I think it has very little to do with the car. Road courses can also show a drivers abilities or flaws, but setup is very very important. Anyone can mash the gas on a highway monster, maybe occasionally downshift and upshift, and you can’t forget, honk your horn.

I have a perfect example for the 1/4mile. My buddy has a pretty nice LS1 2000 TA, it had a built auto, with a nice stall, a tune and header back. He went 12.6 with a 1.6 60’ on street tires. Now take into consideration he only had to sit and watch the lights, then mash the gas…right. Well he wanted to do a T56 6 spd swap and did. He went with a “slightly” built T56 and an upgraded clutch of some sort. His first time back to the track with the 6spd the fastest he ran was a 13.4 with a 2.2 60ft. He claims he needs a new tune, the only thing on his car that changed was the tranny, and he won’t go back.

Point is, he realized he sucks at driving his new T56 6 spd and is too embarrassed to go back.

But you don’t get better running the 1/4 mile by watching Pass Times on the speed network, or reading John Force books, you get better with seat time. Many guys just need to suck up their pride and get out there and improve their times, I have…and I could probably still improve many things.

Parts are gonna break regardless of where you run, the strip, street, or road course…IMHO i think a road course is way harder on a car than a less than 14 second (or Less) trip down a 1/4 track. Even beating a car on the highway doing high speed pulls isn’t the best for an engine. If a car is fast, it’s fucking fast, but I have seen numerous cars get beat because of a much needed driver mod, something a tuning company cannot provide.

Bangoman made this video. Opening screen title is funny.

http://youtu.be/Y2zYzRiNDnk

hahaha

was just referring to the general consensus among Audi drivers that the dragstrip is somehow not worthy of our fancy 10,000 dollar cars. It’s a bit silly. The dragstrip is a great test. Not sure why everyone struggles with it. 5 years ago it was just a standard thing. ‘Here’s my dyno!’ was followed by ‘way to go. Where’s the timeslip?’

Now it’s ‘Here’s my dyno’ followed by ‘sick car dude! ABC TUNING INC is awesome!’

It’s weird.

[quote=“jibberjive,post:29,topic:3389”]
exactly. You’ve seen it a dozen times I’m sure. The RS4 guys love to use it lol.

When we ask for a timeslip, it’s not because JoeAudi just built a 3.0 Tial 770 car and we want to force him into sharing or testing it for the forum…or because we’re mean. It’s always initiated by JoeAudi waving his dyno around the forums everywhere to show everyone how ‘fast’ he is. OK. Let’s see how well you REALLY did. Let’s see the car actually accelerate in a standardized test for which we have dozens of other results from this platform…rather than seeing your car spin a drum (that is under your tuner’s control…the guy you just paid $15,000 to lol).

Further, the ‘gearing is not optimal’ or ‘AWD hurts as its heavy’ etc. doesn’t cut it because we’re comparing B5 to B5…or B7 RS4 to B7 RS4 to measure how different mod systems stack up. We’re not comparing ourselves to '80s foxbody mustangs that weigh 1900 lbs. We’re comparing say a B5 with GTs to a B5 with Tials or whatever you want. We have a great list of times…they are our benchmark so lets see what the new shit can do. We may have some fun inter-platform rivalries comparing say B5 to B7 etc. but that’s just for shooting the shit. The real beauty of these timeslips is the comparison within the platform.

Once again…the Audi guys are the ONLY guys who say the dragstrip isn’t a good measure. Every other marque has quarter mile lists. Well that’s one thing Audirevolution is going to change. There’s going to be a centralised dragstrip database of all of the S/RS cars. Going forward there’ll be a standardized process to get added.

I’m not really saying anything. I asked a question a while ago…‘where are all the fast EPL tuned car timeslips?’. It’s a thread on here somewhere. Crickets were about all I heard as answers.

p.s. the VAST GT car you may be referring to was count vohn’s car. The old video where it’s trapping 135 or so and they get kicked out?

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[quote=“euroswagr,post:30,topic:3389”]
I think they’re each harder on different parts of the cars. IMO a road course will be much easier on the drivetrain (tranny/axles/diff, considering you spend most of your time in a single gear with the occasional downshift while trying to stay as smooth as possible to not upset weight balance, or occasional upshift on the straight, it’s a lot less shock on the drivetrain), but it will be way harder on the tires/brakes, and generally harder on the motor from the extended performance. Drag racing shouldn’t be hard on the motor unless you over-rev, and it’s easy on brakes/tires, but it’s definitely more likely to cause drivetrain failure. Each is hard on different parts IMO.

FWIW I pretty much broke a transmission every time I went to the track on my A4. It would last, but then would start whining loudly in first like I had a supercharger and then eventually start grinding or whatever.

Everytime? Really? was it a BT setup or something pushing insane amounts of power? If not I call BS, or you just beat on the tranny all day everyday while driving around the streets. Plenty of people go to the 1/4 mile track multiple times and have no problems.

I assume you mean the dragstrip, if not completely disregard my post

I had ~460-500awhp on my A4. A few of the B6 S4 guys saw it up in NJ when I had it around ~330whp and were impressed. Anyways this was with 7000rpm clutch bombs at the track.

500 whp…weren’t you running low 12s? What’d that car trap?

As for dropping the clutch at 7000 rpm that’s the reason your tranny died. Driver error.

Yes 12.1 was my best time, but that was actually at 24psi (~410awhp). There were other issues but I know you hate excuses ;D

It trapped 116 with the 2.8 trans

Thanks for the tip, I’m glad you drove the car to find the sweet spot. It would bog at 6500 so I didn’t have much of a choice.