Looks like jSpazz is infected

B8 S4
#1

every body stand clear, we’ve got a case of B8itis clouding someone’s ability to see the merit in other cars!

  1. lol. 320 is average. Some, like Mistro see 330. RS4s dynoing under 320 generally
    a) have a vac leak
    b) are on a heartbreaker dyno
    c) are on the dyno at AMD, where they love to trash the 4.2 cars

  2. HWUT?

Last time I checked the RS4 did the nurburgring in 7:58, which was the fastest sedan in the world until the Panamera Turbo crushed it (yes Cadillac…the RS4 was faster than the CTS-v)

Further a quick comparo of the hockenheim and autozeitung track times shows the RS4 is faster on both tracks (controlled, same driver in a stig like regular test). The one time where the B8 is quicker was the Car and Driver lightning lap (0.4 seconds over 3+ minutes) and that was I think 3 years apart, with a different driver.

#2

LOL. Nikon vs Canon!

In all seriousness, I would’ve said the B8 is better in the twisties with that sport diff and better weight distribution. I guess it ain’t all that.

Better rear leg room in the B8 though.

#3

I was hoping to flush you out for my next challenge…Spazz in a stock b8 vs Stockimano’s RS4, at Mosport…

There is no such thing as bench racing on a road course. That makes me happy to invalidate most anything you wrote there at the end. Nobody gives a fuck what Car and driver did to compare road corse times…it is so variable, and mostly on the 1.) driver. 2.) tires 3.) track conditions.

Those 'ring runs are fucking crazy, and only the Japanese judge the cara on the numbers. Getting a perfect run there is next to impossible. None of the published times are the best the car could do.

#4

that will be a measure of your driving vs. my driving, and seeing as how you live and die by the road course, that won’t be that good of a measurement to evaluate the cars now will it.

When you close the nurburgring down for manufacturer testing, you sure as hell can get a good lap time.

#5

Hey, I forgot to mention the part where we switch cars at lunch…

#6

I forgot to mention the part where you act like a colossal dickhead for no reason and with no provocation. You went off on this tangent in that thread…just out of some strange misplaced anger.

The irony… your comment screams insecure. Do you really think b6/7 s4/rs4 owners give a fuck about your car…a car many of them passed up on when they bought their own? I’ve never seen someone shit on an entire group of other people out of some weird insecure weakness and need to feel validated. Sorry Jspazz…they might like something else better than what you have. Hard to believe huh? Did you notice nobody jumped on your little hatewagon in the thread? That’s because they cringed when you wrote it and stepped as far away from you as they could.

Best part is…I’m trying to understand what the b8 does in any way better than an rs4, other than ipod interface? If you could step outside of your body and read these comments you would be embarrassed.

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#7

Weird…my car made over 300whp without the JHM IM, yet the RS4 makes less…?

Road race warriors for life (RRWFL)

#8

Just like everybody is staying clear of your comments in this thread. Hmmm, never look in the mirror much do you.

Actually there was a comment, redirecting it at bigserve, but that was unfair to him.

What’s funny is I’ve thrown both those comments just to see how long it takes you to pick them out…I’m surprised how long this took you. Anyways obviously my comment stands in your case, as we can see. I wish we could get through one thread in this B8 S4 forum WITHOUT having you compare it to your car or complain that we all are disrespecting the RS4, when plainly we just don’t care.

#9

ps, on this forum…it’s funny, how someone who I’m sure you’d love to have on this forum, is asking me why his profile can’t get approved…? Some revolution.

#10

Oh im sure you are testing me to see if I find your foolishness. Reality is you got caught with your pants down on another site where nobody will call you out. Someone from that site (two people actually) forwarded me that with a bad taste in their mouth after reading but. One b8 owner and one rs4 owner. The b8 owner laughed and said ‘b8itis is true!’. If I mention the rs4 in another thread it is generally to rebut an incorrect post about it he car when someone without all the facts makes a generalization. Or when someone is deliberately ignoring the facts to fit their theory into a little box. That’s your favourite move. Or I do it tongue in cheek to stick it to someone (often you) about something they said somewhere else. Go back through time and you will see that.

I have no inferiority complex about my car Jspazz. I think it is better than just about anything on the planet based on my needs, and based on what makes me smile. I don’t think other cars are shit though and go out of my way to bash them or talk them down like a fool without seeing their merits. I think your car is excellent for example. I have never said anything but on this or any forum. However for my checklist, I think my cr is better in just about every way. That is a superiority complex, if you must label me.

We all have a superiority complex in that way about our cars though, provided we can afford other options and didn’t make a mistake by buying the wrong car. That’s why we bought them and not the others. We like them best. And you can always rectify a mistake by trading the mistake in.

As for someone not getting approved on this site, I guess you missed the posts where I have said I have no say in matters like that. God the site owner does. I’m just administering the quarter mile list. If your friend has a time slip, I’m your guy. If he wants to join the site, he needs the site owner to approve his account. Pretty simple.

Are there any glaring reasons your friend may not be welcome on this site? If not name them instead of this cloak and dagger game or post in the general discussion section asking what’s up. But sitting around stewing about it and taking shots at the site won’t help.

#11

I usually don’t like sticking my head into the internet bickering … but basically you’re saying that you post random comments on the internet to see how long it takes some other guy to pick them out?

That’s kinda weird man…

#12

That was just an excuse for the original post on AZ. Getting caught is embarrassing and clearly Jspazz regrets it now. Rather than face that it was just a dickheadish post that revealed him a little, he chose this absurd explanation. He should just stick to his m.o. of pretending to be Mr nice car guy to our faces and then go back to playing internet games when we turn our backs. It’s much easier a role for him.

#13

I don’t feel caught or embarrassed at all…? 320 whp is still not much over 300 whp…and I was simply replying to the point that another member stated that 034 dynos the 3.0T higher than the 4.2 in the RS4 (which I don’t believe). The point was the B8 S4 will not be slower than an RS4 on the racetrack, if you read the thread…as was claimed. That point stands (until the brakes fade).

The second post was with Saki in mind, sure. I don’t think anyone else qualifies to that level. Here we are, talking about it on the B8 S4 forum.

(also it’s misleading when you say B8 owner, its bigserve, of course, and I have no issue with him. But that’s your MO, mislead then you take swipes at unrelated points in their replies. Why not just name names, as you suggest I do.)

Yes still wish you didn’t keep shifting topic to the RS4 on the B8 S4 forums, and then claim anyone who doesn’t care has some disease (when you perfectly explain how you feel your car is superior but don’t proclaim to yourself you have B7RS4’itis). Thus my statement about inferiority. I don’t troll around the RS4 forums picking fights with people about how they like their cars and compare it to the S4 (really, who would do that?).

What’s funny is I do think you’re perfectly cool in person, unlike your forum persona. I really would love to have you come to the track when I go in the spring, like I said your RS4 will suit Mosport just fine. And I think the RS4 out-of-the-box may be the more compelling track ride, neglecting lap times. Both B7 and B8 would still have deathly understeer, though.

#14

it’s not bigserve. It’s a B8 S4 owner if you must know. If someone thinks you posted something ridiculous and on a complete tangeant to the thread it was in, why do I need to link them here? If they don’t like the drama, and prefer to point something out, that’s their prerogative. Mistro doesn’t like the drama but felt compelled to say something here. That’s telling.

As a great example of your B8itis, no, the B8 S4 is not faster around a track. It’s pretty close, but the RS4 is. When a B8 S4 runs the nurburgring in less than 8min10 seconds, colour me impressed. For the record, the RS4 did it in 7min58 seconds (8 years ago). I enjoyed watching you tiptoe around that above when I pointed out that you were flat wrong a few weeks ago. When confronted with facts that crush your opinion, better to ignore than say ‘I stand corrected’

I get that you think that because your car has a better weight distribution it will automatically win a time attack but I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The B8 is slower. Not by much, but slower. Slower than the RS5 too even though it’s engine is a ‘4.2 fail’. That speaks to the B8 S4’s greatness really, that it is as close as it is to an RS model that was released only 4 years before the B8 S4. Of course that sounds like a compliment to the B8, so I should stop there. I realise you are terrified to think I might be able to look at things objectively.

If I have RS4itis by defending the car when people make inaccurate comments about its capabilities, so be it. I used to do it when I didn’t own an RS4, because I saw nothing but shitty information. The average B8 owner thinks the RS4 loses 80 hp in a year from carbon buildup, that it doesn’t respond to mods, and that it’s slower than a B8. Reality is a different story. A great example is when my Rs4 was matching tuned B8 S4s on a couple of different trakc days (APR and GIAC). Or when mistro’s RS4 with just piggies (free), intake spacers ($200) and an h pipe ($200) put a vicious beating on an APR tuned B8 S4. Granted the B8 had launching troubles, but his best of the day was 5 mph slower than Mistro’s. As we know trap speed indicates what’s really going on performance wise with a car while ET tells a story about the launch, the shifting and the driving overall. But lets ignore that data. It’s an uphilll battle educating the average B8 S4 in reality. We’re blessed here on audirevolution to have a group of B8 S4 owners who appreciate and understand the performanc ethe ther cars can put down. Same goes both ways…the B6/7 guys all appreciate and respect the B8 capabilities. Unfortunately you are trending towards the ‘average B8 S4 owner’ side of things when it comes to understanding performance and sharing accurate information. You’re literally a nut-hair away from auditude2.0T at this point when it comes to the platform comparisons.

I certainly don’t think you’ll find me saying anything about the RS4’s capabilities that are not rooted in facts and results. So RS4itis is not the same as B8itis, which sees the B8 owners, yourself included, making comments about performance rooted in nothing but emotionally fuelled opinion.

Here…enjoy. I would love to see Audi take a B8 S4 to the nurburgring. Actually, we already know they did. They just didn’t release the lap time. Wonder why?

Rank Car Time Year HP/WT
75 Porsche Panamera Turbo S 07:52.2 '11 550 / 1995
78 Ferrari F430 07:55.0 '05 489 / 1450
80 BMW M5 07:55.0 '11 560 / 1870
83 Ferrari 360 CS 07:56.0 '03 425 / 1280
87 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 07:56.0 '02 411 / 1414
88 Porsche 911 GT3 07:56.3 '99 360 / 1350
90 Audi RS4 07:58.0 '05 420 / 1720
91 Porsche Boxster S (981) 07:58.0 '12 315 / 1320
95 Audi RS5 07:59.0 '12 450 / 1686
96 Cadillac CTS-V 07:59.3 '09 564 / 1980
99 Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe 08:01.0 '11 457 / 1730
100 Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe Performance Package 08:01.0 '11 487 / 1771
104 Mercedes CLS 63 AMG Perfromance Package 08:03.0 '11 557 / 1919
106 Honda NSX-R 08:03.9 '95 274 / 1281
114 Subaru Impreza STI Spec C MK.II 08:06.0 '05 280 / 1370
115 Caterham Superlight R 08:06.2 '97 193 / 525
116 Ferrari 550 Maranello 08:07.0 '96 486 / 1690
117 BMW Z8 08:07.0 '00 400 / 1585
118 BMW M6 08:07.8 '05 507 / 1710
119 Renault Megane RS 265 Trophy 08:08.0 '11 265 / 1409
120 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 08:08.7 '91 320 / 1470
121 Ferrari 360 Modena 08:09.0 '99 400 / 1390
122 Lamborghini Diablo SV 08:09.0 '97 519 / 1590
123 Audi RS6 Avant 08:09.0 '08 579 / 2025
124 Audi TT RS Coupe 08:09.0 '09 340 / 1435

#15

You love using magazine times for the track, but not the 1/4 mile…? Weird.

I have no problems going with you to any track here, Saki, and proving that the RS4 isn’t any faster on the track, stock-for-stock. Nobody, and I really mean nobody but a fool uses magazine times to rank a car in the road course.

I honestly find it a total shame you feel the need to look at numbers all the time rather than go to the track and actually enjoy your car. The RS4 has so much more to offer than the 1/4 mile.

#16

Magazines don’t go to the quarter mile they use a pbox on a road course. Not standardized in any way. I will reference the times though when there is a dearth of user data imem the recent s6 discussions. Anyway those are not random magazine times. Most are manufacturer test times. Some are from European tv shows. Some are from periodicals however they use the same pro drivers to test all cars. Saying nobody uses those times to evaluate cars means you’re deeeeep in denial. Everyone BUT you references those nurburgring times to evaluate a car’s track prowess. Have you missed the last ten years in automotive testing???

None of what you are saying makes sense in the context of this thread anyway. You’re arguing that I’m not properly using my car now, rather than facing the fact that you were flat wrong. Funny shit. I use the quarter mile as a fun benchmark. I will go a couple times with a car on my own to measure it. The other times are social, or when I get asked to go and drive someone’s car for them. I went seven times in the rs4.

One to see what it can do on my own last year.
One to be a stock control for George and his jhm modd d rs4 last year.
One to film some friends this April, although I ended up running the car because conditions were great.
One to test race gas in the heat this year to see how much it helped for Jnaut and to log the car for him.
Two to be the control before and after for mistro when he did his carbon cleaning (he asked me) and at the same time to drive axel’s car.
One to have fun this fall.

Why do you feel the need to compare our cars with us driving at a track? So you can win at something? How is that a measure of the car? That’s a measure of our skill as a couple of amateur drivers, one who goes ten+ times a year, vs one who goes hardly ever. Hackers like us are miles from consistent at a road course. At the road course we won’t be giving a very objective measurement of the two cars. At a dragstrip its not that hard to go 10/10ths, especially if we give you an automatic to help you out.

How about this as a test, we will both drive our audis to Glen Abbey, we’ll park them and then play golf. Lowest score means that car is faster. In fact, you can bring your dad’s many super cars. Hell bring a fucking veyron. I bet by the end of the day, the rs4 will be faster thanks to my skills on the golf course trumping yours. What will we have proven about the cars? Nothing. That’s what happens at the road course with amateur drivers.

#17

This is becoming an epic thread…

Jspazz from an honest perspective you are coming off a little delusional and you redirect the conversation like a motherfucker…more than because you can’t admit you were wrong.

…and 300whp to 320whp is hardly minute

#18

Hey, I didn’t start this. I don’t go around trolling other cars forums that I frankly have nothing to do with and post other peoples posts here on AR. if people come at me, go ahead.

Tell me what the argument is from Saki. As far as I can tell, the first quote he stalked me on, and started this thread on, is that stock RS4 will not dyno much over 300 comes down to your interpretation of “much over”. However, the point in the original context is that an RS4 is not much advantaged for power on a track. To make this a colossial deal, really, is just plain argumentative. I’m sorry you want to call me delusional and a mothefucker. Quite classy.

And my other quote, which more or less implies that Saki is way oversensitive (to the point that he stalks peoples posts on other forums, and posts about it here)…that is pretty much a given. I don’t need to waste my working day looking for examples of that. I’ll ask again, why don’t the B8 S4 guys go trolling around the RS4 forums and poke and prod the people there? They don’t.

Is the other arguments the magazine times for Nurburgring being the be-all and end-all of road course times? Why don’t I say that the C/D lightning lap had the S4 as faster at 3:10.8 vs 3:11.0 for the RS4, the S5 at 3:14.6…because it’s all garbage. If you’ve ever been to a track, people spouting lap times are pretty much ignored…variables are just too great. I will not spend anymore time making that argument here, but go ahead and get laughed off any track forum talking about someone else’s lap times having never been on the track…people only compare their OWN.

i.e. Primetime does a 11.6, I wouldn’t be happy unless I did an 11.6. Even if I got test pipes, intake, exhaust, there’s no way I’d be calling my car any more than a 12.08 car until it does better, with me in it. The same works at the racetrack. But for what it’s worth, the RS4 will not be faster at a track, until the brakes boil on the S4. Sorry.

I really do invite anyone here to come to the track, and i hope Saki will come. That’s all I have to say. It never had to do with comparing times between the S4 and the RS4, but to have fun at the track. If arguing about it is a way to get him out there, I’ll keep arguing. He likes that, I guess.

#19

are you serious? I don’t care about the dyno numbers. You can post what you want about dynos. You posted bad information, but I just posted it to show how bad your B8itis is. I then showed you that your assessment of the RS4 vs. the S4 was also poorly thought out and again, frought with ignorance and opinion rather than researched facts. I started this thread tongue in cheek because I know you can handle it. I expected you to say ‘oh shit I didn’t know the RS4 was so succesful, I stand corrected’. I didn’t expect you to take a stand, then to take swipes at the entire B6/7 world like a cornered chihuahua.

Anyway, continue spinning in circles. It’s fun to watch.

p.s. I’ll remind you who really started what…

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#20

POST #1 buddy. Look up.