What’s a B6-B7 S4? ???
Hahahaha. Could probably post a 40+ minute montage of jhm b6/7 s4 footage
What’s a B6-B7 S4? ???
Hahahaha. Could probably post a 40+ minute montage of jhm b6/7 s4 footage
Haha, of footage that actually made it to the internetz. We have sooo much video.
Haha, of footage that actually made it to the internetz. We have sooo much video.
fattomato, shockwave and badbluers4’s response to the thread abt saki’s exhaust on AZ are quite comical:
Those guys are really dumb. First, that’s not me posting (RS4elitist) . It is someone else, and that needs to be out there. In fact I would invite that person to clarify their identity because THIS IS FUCKING ANNOYING. Those retards are getting annoying, and if I’m posting on a forum, I will let you fucking know about it. I’m not shy. I’m not going to hide or avoid admitting who I am.
Anyway, on to the runs. Consider the facts:
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My best ever ‘before’ run was a 12.75 @ 108.36. That’s the fastest time EVER for a stock RS4. On earth. Not for my car one day in poor conditions…EVER for ANY RS4 in ANY conditions. You can argue that the benchmark can be easy to beat in a comparison like his, but not that benchmark…it’s literally the HARDEST benchmark you could ever try to beat. I didn’t post my worst ever run for my Rs4 when it was stock. I posted my BEST. My worst is probably 13.20 @ 106. My best is 12.75 @ 108.36. I realise that there is variabililty between runs, but not when you compare best run in one configuration vs. best in another.
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I made 70+ passes in my RS4 when it was stock. Yes, 70+. I went to the strip 9 times when stock in various conditions over a period of 2 years. That 12.75 was my best of those. This eliminates that variability they are speaking of. This takes out all the bad shifts and bad launches and shit DA because there are enough passes there to ensure that you get a great one. I did. 12.75 @ 108.36 in 283 feet of Density Altitude is faster than all of these losers talking shit…is faster than any magazine with a pro driver who corrected to 0 DA before publishing results.
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I ran 12.53 this Saturday on my 4th pass. Give me another 60 attempts at it over a bunch of strip visits and I will get even faster. You can count on that. So the delta will only increase.
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Why the fuck are they asking for a dyno? Jake posted my video because it’s a cool video and the runs are great results. THat’s it. So why the fuck are they demanding dyno numbers? I will never dyno my car. Morons.
You can’t write off the results by saying ‘there’s variability’ when we are comparing absolute best ever out of a huge sample of runs as the before ‘benchmark’ and then going considerably faster once modified. The only people who will do that are morons who don’t understand performance.
Are these idiots saying I could have gone 12.5 @ 110.50 in 700 feet of DA when I was stock? How come those motherfuckers ran mid 13s when they were stock?
Lol it’s all good. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out that they are just trolling. I’m bowing out of that thread for now, was going to go on but I don’t have any advil or aspirin at my desk.
This just shows that we’re dealing with someone who is looking to agitate from afar, not address facts. Again, I invite FLying tomatoes to sign up to AR and have an argument. Facts based. He will get murdered with facts. I will ensure that GOD doesn’t shut his account down for negative karma (which is certain to be epic).
Anyway, here’s a very specific point he just made that I would like to address for him, since I am not on AZ.
[quote=Flying Tomatoes]You say a dyno is nothing more but a piece of paper to hang on a wall, then what’s a time slip?
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If we’re being obtuse and fervidly literal, a timeslip is also a piece of paper.
If we’re going to look at context, that would be more helpful. A dyno is just a piece of paper, and that’s true literally and figuratively. Why? because it doesn’t prove performance as the driver of a performance car comes to know performance. It only proves what a loaded up dyno and the operator want the piece of paper to say. It is also a reflection of something really strange…none of us buy fancy cars to drive them on a dyno. We buy them to accelerate on pavement.
A timeslip is also a piece of paper, but it reflects how your car just accelerated from a stop, through first gear, through second gear, through third gear, through fourth gear and even fifth if you’re really fast. It provides a measure of how quickly you went from 0-60 feet…0-330 feet…0-660 feet and the speed you went through there…and 0-1320 feet and the speed you went through the trap there. These are all fantastic pieces of information to have when evaluating how your car accelerates.
A dyno sheet? measures how loaded up it gets the roller moving, after a bunch of dyno operator inputs that can change things DRASTICALLY.
So yes, the dyno sheet and timeslip are both just a piece of paper. Difference being one tells a performance story, and one doesn’t.
As I said above all you need to know about this guy talking out of two sides of his mouth is that he poo-poos quarter mile results and real world acceleration tests…but when he bought his $20,000 supercharger kit he immediately took it to the dragstrip and a road course. He wanted to see how well it ACTUALLY accelerated.
12.53
12.54
12.55
12.58
12.59
12.61
12.62
12.63
I also had a 12.73 which was the first pass (shakedown) and is posted in that first 4 passes video, and a couple more 12.7 times where the car was just hot as a pistol (it got up to 19 Celsius or about 67 fahrenheit and after 3-4 passes the oil was 102-105 C). I also had 2 passes at 12.8 and 12.9 where I left ESP on (incredible that I can still do that…I have video of one of them. I actually thought I was sputtering running out of gas on the launch. It wasn’t…it was fuckingESfuckingP kicking in).
Funny though…that’s 8 passes faster than the fastest PES supercharger time ever. PES was an interesting product…‘proven’ with dyno numbers lol. Flying Tomatoes should have bought one. I mean they ‘proved’ they’re a good product with dyno numbers showing 440 whp, right? So it must be true.
Remove your outliers (5% of worst/best) of your 70+ runs and get an average with stock exhaust and compare that to your current average with JHM exhaust…and shove that down their throat. The gap will be even larger and MUCH more accurate than a couple glory dyno pulls.
Sak - I would copy/paste your last three posts into the AZ thread, but I’m sure that would get me banned.
Those trolls are cowards. They know exactly where you post and yet refuse to come on here and argue the facts.
(And I know they’re reading this right now)
I am RS4elitist and not because I was banned. I just needed a change, but it is hard to bite my tongue the when idiots like that exist.
Instead of arguing facts or data they name call like bitches. Not one of them could last a week on AR, which is why they pollute AZ with misinformation.
haha I am not Rs4 elitist is all we know for sure. AZ site admin knows I am not as well.
It’s funny when looking at flying tomatoes. As I mentioned, he’s not looking for facts. He’s not looking for answers. He’s not looking for information.
He’s looking for a fight.
He’s yammering on about how JHM should use the dyno. Really? Why? So that the one company dominating the RS4 marketplace can legitimize the dyno, which is the EASIEST way possible for scam artist companies selling hopes and dreams to ‘prove’ that their product works?
JHM avoids the dyno for that one reason…the dyno is too easy to fool, and if that is the ‘bar’ or ‘standard’, all the shitheads will come out of the woodwork saying how great their shit is. See GhostSquadGarage (GSG) for a good example on Audizine. They offered an intake pipe that they claimed was made of a proprietary material that helped heat protection and that wouldn’t collapse like the stock intake maf hose does (it doesn’t…they made this up and squeezed it in a video to show what happens when WOT…rather than actually showing WOT, since nothing happened lol).
GSG got on AZ as an ‘official’ advertiser…flashed the product…and guys asked for dyno results. Really? Dyno results for a tube? How is this going to show a gain? Anyway, GSG put the part on a car (for free), and dyno’d it. Showed like 15 whp gains. Of course a dozen or so people bought this $300 pipe. Only to find it didn’t fit, and didn’t do FUCK ALL. But what about the dyno?
That’s the problem with the dyno…anyone can pay any dyno operator to make the dyno say whatever they want. It should never be used to prove anything.
Best part? Flying Tomatoes wants JHM to post dyno info (which they won’t) about their exhaust…and says it is a standard that should be adhered to. Really? So I guess when he bought his MTM catback exhaust and JHM downpipes, he ignored the standard???
Seriously…
The screenname is a play on the attitudes of many of the characters over on AZ and quattrofail. If you don’t own an RS4, you don’t rate an opinion…even if you know ten times more about their cars. Most of those guys could barely check the air in their tires, but they attack anyone with good info by starting their posts with “you don’t even own an RS4” because they are weak and will get thrashed in a factual conversation about performance or certain products.
something is wrong with shockwave - he makes no sense. and of course now he’s bringing up road courses. “the curvy kind” lol
I have typed out 4 replies to that thread today, then just closed the browser lol. Shockwave is just trolling.
BTW I found a dyno of saki’s car.
he should have his name changed to RS4elitist.
I love these road course assholes who are such snobs about the dragstrip. What I don’t get is why they don’t complain about the dyno? I mean who at quattro in Germany sat around designing this car hoping it would one day reach the pinnacle of achievements in motoring and…spin 2 rollers ??? Maybe it’s just me but as far as testing my car, the dragstrip is a lot more sensible. Hell all the companies release 0-60 or 0-62 mph data etc. You don’t think they’re calculating that on a dyno do you?
These guys like shockwave are allergic to performance. Seriously. They want to talk about how awesome they are on the road course, or how great their dynos are. They want to talk to their wife’s friend’s husband at a cocktail party and tell him how his car makes 460 hp now because the dyno said so. They don’t ACTUALLY want the car to perform or accelerate…they just want to talk about it.