that AZ thread is brutal… don’t like the data, don’t buy the product
Anyone with just a smidge of intelligence would look at the data given and think to themselves, wow…so the fastest stock rs4 time EVER just improved by 2 tenths and 2 mph, the only difference being an exhaust change…that exhaust must make some serious power. End of discussion.
This.
yup lol
Of course, lots of Audizine thinks like this…
[quote=auxnbus]Where I think the 1/4 times fall short in ‘proving performance’ is that you can’t (easily) decipher where gains are being made. 90% of a 1/4 mile run is at the top end of the powerband, where drivers spend less than 5% of their time. A properly done dyno comparison (i.e. same car, same day, same dyno, same operator, etc) will show you if you are getting most of your gains from 5k & up, or if you are also getting a bump in low end power/torque.
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So…you want to measure your acceleration mods between 1000-5000 RPM? I guess you do a lot of racing from 1000-5000 RPM? And you go WOT and want to accelerate from 1000-5000 RPM? Or are you saying you do lots of accelerating at 30% throttle from 1000-5000 RPM. And you want to know how your car gained power here because…you’re an idiot? because you forgot you can hold a gear or push the pedal harder?
[quote=ShockWaveVT]As a buyer I’m curious to know if I’m just adding top-end that will get rarely used or if I’m getting a good bit more power in the 1,000-5,000 range that will get used at every stoplight on a 25mph road. Some performance exhausts have been shown to actually lose TQ/HP on the low end in exchange for more TQ/HP in higher rev ranges and vice-versa.
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Wow…another one who likes to go WOT between stop lights and shifts at 5000 lol. If you’re truly accelerating and truly care, you’re only below 5000 for one gear maximum, and then are above 5000 the rest of the time (unless you are a retard). Guess what? The 1/4 mile is the same. You’re only below 5000 RPM for 1st gear, and then you’re in the top end the rest of the time.
Are these guys really that dumb?
My point exactly…and could possibly gain even more with better weather (DA)
I’m at a loss for words with those comments.
They are really that DUMB, it’s a shame they own such an amazing car
Someone needs to just say one thing
You can make the dyno say your part is great even if it is shit, but you can’t make the NHRA certified dragstrip say it is great. It actually has to work. That’s the reason JHM doesn’t advertise with the dyno.
When you advertise with the dyno, you make it easy to gain entry to a marketplace because liars can be good performaers. When you advertise with actual performance, recorded at certified NHRA dragstrips, you’re actually advertising what the guy is buying.
If the guy is looking to buy a dyno sheet, I can pretty much guarantee that before JHM sells him one, he will buy something else.
All those guys saying ‘I just want to see x’ are in there to troll JHM, or they’re in there to talk shit about the quarter mile. Jake didn’t start a thread to show dyno numbers. He showed my fucking 1/4 mile timeslips and my video. THAT’S IT!
People bitch all day about wanting exhaust videos and ‘data’ etc and there you go. Excellent video, great data, and they still bitch. Fuck these bitches. They’re never buying it anyway. So should JHM throw away the beautifully established benchmarking work they’ve done over the past 5 years of trying to stop the dyno from being accepted, and making people demand real performance, just to appease these losers who are probably going to go buy Milltek anyway? Fuck them.
I love how FT goes on about “where’s the dyno” when his own 1/4 mile thread has no dyno either. I asked him to post his own before and after dyno in his own 1/4 mile thread but he clearly ignored that request. What a hypocrite.
fattomato, shockwave and badbluers4’s response to the thread abt saki’s exhaust on AZ are quite comical:
Maybe we should just add that you can see anywhere from 5-50whp increase depending on dyno/location/and other supporting mods on the bottom of every product page.
Those guys are really dumb. First, that’s not me posting (RS4elitist) . It is someone else, and that needs to be out there. In fact I would invite that person to clarify their identity because THIS IS FUCKING ANNOYING. Those retards are getting annoying, and if I’m posting on a forum, I will let you fucking know about it. I’m not shy. I’m not going to hide or avoid admitting who I am.
Anyway, on to the runs. Consider the facts:
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My best ever ‘before’ run was a 12.75 @ 108.36. That’s the fastest time EVER for a stock RS4. On earth. Not for my car one day in poor conditions…EVER for ANY RS4 in ANY conditions. You can argue that the benchmark can be easy to beat in a comparison like his, but not that benchmark…it’s literally the HARDEST benchmark you could ever try to beat. I didn’t post my worst ever run for my Rs4 when it was stock. I posted my BEST. My worst is probably 13.20 @ 106. My best is 12.75 @ 108.36. I realise that there is variabililty between runs, but not when you compare best run in one configuration vs. best in another.
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I made 70+ passes in my RS4 when it was stock. Yes, 70+. I went to the strip 9 times when stock in various conditions over a period of 2 years. That 12.75 was my best of those. This eliminates that variability they are speaking of. This takes out all the bad shifts and bad launches and shit DA because there are enough passes there to ensure that you get a great one. I did. 12.75 @ 108.36 in 283 feet of Density Altitude is faster than all of these losers talking shit…is faster than any magazine with a pro driver who corrected to 0 DA before publishing results.
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I ran 12.53 this Saturday on my 4th pass. Give me another 60 attempts at it over a bunch of strip visits and I will get even faster. You can count on that. So the delta will only increase.
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Why the fuck are they asking for a dyno? Jake posted my video because it’s a cool video and the runs are great results. THat’s it. So why the fuck are they demanding dyno numbers? I will never dyno my car. Morons.
You can’t write off the results by saying ‘there’s variability’ when we are comparing absolute best ever out of a huge sample of runs as the before ‘benchmark’ and then going considerably faster once modified. The only people who will do that are morons who don’t understand performance.
Are these idiots saying I could have gone 12.5 @ 110.50 in 700 feet of DA when I was stock? How come those motherfuckers ran mid 13s when they were stock?
^^^wouldn’t be accurate for the supercharger. Need to extend range. Dramatically.
Jake, I wouldn’t debate with those guys. Just give them the data JHM wants to give…share cool videos and fun stuff…and stay out of the arguments. You will win nothing by engaging those fools. Leave that to the forum. If someone’s a moron, they’ll be told soon enough.
Lol it’s all good. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out that they are just trolling. I’m bowing out of that thread for now, was going to go on but I don’t have any advil or aspirin at my desk.
How does he not get it? He read the Car and Driver article on the lying dyno.
[quote]that’s great…some ppl manipulate their dyno’s to show boosted numbers.
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THAT’S THE FUCKING POINT
If JHM legitimizes the dyno, like he wants them to, it means all the other assholes who manipulate their dyno numbers, as referenced in that Car and Driver article, have fair game and can be ‘level’ with JHM. One day he will wake up and realise what he just wrote.
This just shows that we’re dealing with someone who is looking to agitate from afar, not address facts. Again, I invite FLying tomatoes to sign up to AR and have an argument. Facts based. He will get murdered with facts. I will ensure that GOD doesn’t shut his account down for negative karma (which is certain to be epic).
Anyway, here’s a very specific point he just made that I would like to address for him, since I am not on AZ.
[quote=Flying Tomatoes]You say a dyno is nothing more but a piece of paper to hang on a wall, then what’s a time slip?
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If we’re being obtuse and fervidly literal, a timeslip is also a piece of paper.
If we’re going to look at context, that would be more helpful. A dyno is just a piece of paper, and that’s true literally and figuratively. Why? because it doesn’t prove performance as the driver of a performance car comes to know performance. It only proves what a loaded up dyno and the operator want the piece of paper to say. It is also a reflection of something really strange…none of us buy fancy cars to drive them on a dyno. We buy them to accelerate on pavement.
A timeslip is also a piece of paper, but it reflects how your car just accelerated from a stop, through first gear, through second gear, through third gear, through fourth gear and even fifth if you’re really fast. It provides a measure of how quickly you went from 0-60 feet…0-330 feet…0-660 feet and the speed you went through there…and 0-1320 feet and the speed you went through the trap there. These are all fantastic pieces of information to have when evaluating how your car accelerates.
A dyno sheet? measures how loaded up it gets the roller moving, after a bunch of dyno operator inputs that can change things DRASTICALLY.
So yes, the dyno sheet and timeslip are both just a piece of paper. Difference being one tells a performance story, and one doesn’t.
As I said above all you need to know about this guy talking out of two sides of his mouth is that he poo-poos quarter mile results and real world acceleration tests…but when he bought his $20,000 supercharger kit he immediately took it to the dragstrip and a road course. He wanted to see how well it ACTUALLY accelerated.
Surprising at the number of RS4 owners that are this dense. I mean didn’t you guys go through these same debates with the B6/7 S4 (not to mention the B5 platform)?
The B8 guys, by contrast, have in large measure accepted the 1/4 mile as the only benchmark worth discussing.
I find that to be odd.
12.53
12.54
12.55
12.58
12.59
12.61
12.62
12.63
I also had a 12.73 which was the first pass (shakedown) and is posted in that first 4 passes video, and a couple more 12.7 times where the car was just hot as a pistol (it got up to 19 Celsius or about 67 fahrenheit and after 3-4 passes the oil was 102-105 C). I also had 2 passes at 12.8 and 12.9 where I left ESP on (incredible that I can still do that…I have video of one of them. I actually thought I was sputtering running out of gas on the launch. It wasn’t…it was fuckingESfuckingP kicking in).
Funny though…that’s 8 passes faster than the fastest PES supercharger time ever. PES was an interesting product…‘proven’ with dyno numbers lol. Flying Tomatoes should have bought one. I mean they ‘proved’ they’re a good product with dyno numbers showing 440 whp, right? So it must be true.
Remove your outliers (5% of worst/best) of your 70+ runs and get an average with stock exhaust and compare that to your current average with JHM exhaust…and shove that down their throat. The gap will be even larger and MUCH more accurate than a couple glory dyno pulls.
Sak - I would copy/paste your last three posts into the AZ thread, but I’m sure that would get me banned.
Those trolls are cowards. They know exactly where you post and yet refuse to come on here and argue the facts.
(And I know they’re reading this right now)
The mistake the B8’s guys continually make is thinking that if one car goes a certain time that ALL cars have effectively gone that same time 
I am RS4elitist and not because I was banned. I just needed a change, but it is hard to bite my tongue the when idiots like that exist.
Instead of arguing facts or data they name call like bitches. Not one of them could last a week on AR, which is why they pollute AZ with misinformation.