Hahaha wtf.
Very subtle.
Hey guys, never been to Toronto but heard about this great shop called Almost Racing. Talk to Philip K! He’s the best! 
Here’s some lulz. Made the mistake of posting on golfmk6:
http://golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1760425#post1760425
whenever the tuner says this…RUN.
[quote]While going to the 1/4 would be nice, drivability, dyno testing, road racing and or AutoX is the priority over straight line acceleration testing
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drivability - WTF is drivability? Does anyone write a tune that isn’t drivable? If so , who the fuck is buying it?
dyno testing - lol
road racing - because that’s a true test of acceleration with no variables!
autoX - again, everyone loves a parking lot fake race track result to determine performance delta
These idiots that throw this shit around are trying to distract everyone. Nobody wants a 1/4 mile time to see how they will do in the 1/4 mile…they want the tuner to show it to prove how well the car is fucking accelerating. To show his product’s delta.
I think the DM tuner used to work for apr. They were flashing some pretty dyno numbers which boosted their popularity recently.
Update, DM is a joke lol. After seeing their response I have no idea how someone could trust that software.
[QUOTE=Driver Motorsport;1760566]This may be a misunderstanding.
We prefer road courses/AutoX for the simple reason that it pushes everything further. Straight line acceleration is not testing component protection, it’s not putting considerable strain on anything that’d allow good data collection. What is even better about testing through a Road Course/AutoX is that drivability is measured, throttle response is measured, torque model calibration can be more thorough. None of the above can be measured in a 1/4 mile acceleration test.
For proof of the calibration, it is preferred to use a dyno. If the torque curve is more linear, makes better gains underneath the curve then the car will be faster and drive smoother. The shape of a dyno curve, the delta from before/after results is much more repeatable than acceleration testing. We can post up incredible times which will probably never be repeated or we can post up our TSI dynos and they’ve been repeated (or exceeded) on multiple occasions.
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just tell him something simple
- every other performance car platform (AMG, Audi, all domestics, GTR, Lamborghini turbo kit makers etc) uses 1/4 mile to measure acceleration
- every other major VAG tuner (i.e. GIAC, APR, REVO, JHM) uses 1/4 mile to measure acceleration in their marketing to show delta
- every periodical in the country uses 1/4 mile to measure acceleration
- every auto-maker uses 0-60 and 0-100 to measure acceleration
But…Driver Motorsport wants to use an autoX.
How is an autoX proving ANYTHING to the market? The market is asking you for acceleration proof. Not to change how you do your own internal testing of IAT management. The market is asking you to show performance so that they can compare it to the defacto standard acceleration test. Simple.
Then mention that the only companies who rebel against the 1/4 mile are usually doing so for a reason…and it’s rarely because their parts work well.
“driveability” lol. ask him to define that.
Yea, I copy/pasted. I’m pretty much on my own there though. Most people are happy to stare at dyno sheets and people saying “its faster bruh”
Unfortunately that how it is. Its hard to come in and convince a community that what they have believed for so long is actually wrong or not as good as they think it is.
Hey guys, driving with the eBrake on is actually better for performance because it increases the amount of load at any given time!
What seems to work REALLY well is to show a XXX car destroying a YYY car in a pull. Then people start to say ‘wow…XXX is awesome’
Case in point the JHM 2.0T stuff
The JHM 2.0T quarter mile records? Nobody blinked because they don’t have anything to compare to. Once you show them the highway pulls where Dru’s car beat the APR stage 2 car, it made headlines
Once you do that you say ‘this is why we need something other than a dyno to measure performance’ and it works from there.
The B6/7 stuff was the same. It wasn’t 1/4 mile times that revolutionized the market. It was videos of JHM tuned/exhaust cars beating the shit out of stage 2 B5 S4s and other APR/GIAC etc tuned B6/7 S4s. That’s when people woke up. They had been told for years that the B6 couldn’t touch a stage 1 or 2 B5 S4. Maybe a B6 with GIac and milltek…but the JHM cars whooped on the stage 1 and 2 B5 S4s. Then the 1/4 mile stuff followed and became the way to measure everything now that JHM had their attention.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/jhm-comes-to-detroit_643331.htm
It’s funny…this was only 5 years ago. It shocked the shit out of the forums. JHM didn’t even have their own B6 S4 yet in California…just their development car in Detroit (CV) and then these cars (blue and red) were the first beta customers. Justincredible was the other.
Pulls to get their attention that the stuff they thought was good might not actually be that good at all; demand 1/4 mile results from shops to measure performance going forward
It was a shame I never got to run any other tuned S4s.
It was hilarious. I had a couple of GIAC tuned guys locally who were talking mad shit (for fun…but they really thought they were faster). They didn’t know what JHM was. When I had my piggies+JHM tune+FI catback, I raced and obliterated the one guy who had catless downpipes, AWE exhaust, GIAC tune, and a couple of other lightweight parts. It was not remotely close…as in 3+ cars in 2 gears and then I shut it down. The other guy backed out after he saw that. He just had a GIAC tune and Stasis catback. I had another guy with Unitronic telling me to switch over. So we did a pull. then he switched to JHM. I had only one APR guy. Same deal. Never met a REVO B67. Almost everyone had GIAC it seemed. Not sure why.
LOL that kind of stuff hurts an ego.
This was the next step in the V8 revolution…that REALLY got people excited.
Because it was something nobody else was doing. The other tuners weren’t buying and tearing apart the B6 to see what was up and develope 30-40 parts for it. They didn’t even OWN a fucking B6. Keith@APR was maybe the exception as he had a B6 S4 with APR tune, intake (makes you slower) and exhaust, but all he did was badmouth the B6 because it wasn’t good enough. I wonder how he would have felt if he had a 12.7@111 B6 instead of a 13.50@104 B6.
Interesting read. You should make a history of the b6 S4 and how it changed the community thread. That would be very interesting.
I got into Audi’s right around the time that thread was created, was cool to watch it all unfold. Funniest part was I was against it initially, I sided with the people who said the s4 was a lame duck. I was also messaging back and forth with PES about buying a kit. It was a dark time in my life.
:o Damn - AZ needs a war room. From that thread:
[QUOTE=AvanTTix;3914442]So after deleting just a few bickering posts and considering the flow of this thread, I realised that most of the discussion that was going on over the last 3 pages or so wasn’t even related to the topic at hand: JHM’s 2005 S4 6-speed build thread. So I decided to delete pretty much the last 3 pages and give this thread back to JHM.
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I raced an APR tuned, APR fullback S4 back in 2008 with my catless milltek fullback(the 2.25" rendition) and a very old JHM tune. My car pulled well and the other guy was convinced and changed tunes eventually.