once stuff is on the interwebz it will be around forever…unless it is a post by Mick stating that he was incorrect, that will disappear into thin air
+karma lol
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503900
RS5 vs S5 3.0t tune plus pulley
The latest 3.0t attacking the RS thread.
Lots of talk but, very little factual information.
“there’s a $17,000 price premium for the RS5”
Lets think about that
Its only that much if you own the car until it is worth zero. In all likelihood owners will have it for 3 or 4 years…and in that time the much RS5 will probably still sell for 50-60% of its original price. So that premium is really only about $8,000. Further the RS5 is rare as fuck…half as many as the RS4 will be sold here. The RS4 is holding its value very well right now…far better than same year S4 s are. I would guess that this gap will be less than $8000 as result after for years.
What do you get for this premium?
Better steering wheel
Better wheels
Better grille (that many 3.0t guys are paying a few hundred bucks to replicate)
Awesome sounding exhaust (which 3.0t guys are paying $2500 for…with debatable results)
Brembo brakes (what are 3.0t guys paying for big brake kits? $1500? $2500?)
450 HP stock
…oh…and full car widebody.
Not to mention the tune to get the 3.0t S5 up to RS5 territory is $1200-1500.
So we are talking about a gap that is shrinking rapidly to nothing…and the RS5 guys still have a warranty while the tuned 3.0t guys…don’t (if you believe td 1)
Further they are saying the RS5 won’t respond to mods. Lol. The RS4 shaved seven tenths and added 5 mph with tune exhaust and clutch. There will be all motor RS4 and RS5 guys in the elevens soon.
I think those threads are funny…people rarely think about the facts…
I hate reading about the RS5. Because I want a B8 RS4 so badly: http://www.audi.co.uk/new-cars/rs/rs4-avant.html I might have to move back to the UK just to get one… oh wait I could never stomach the fuel/insurance costs over there!
Looking at the RS lineup in Europe just makes so much sense with the RS3, RS4 and RS5. No need for an RS sedan!
But threads like that are painful to read. Full of egomaniacs trying to “justify” their 3.0T purchase and make themselves feel better about their B8 S4. Why can’t people just say, hey that’s an awesome car. Of they just love waving their e-dicks around.
Like the same people would wander around the drag strip bashing everyone else’s cars!
it is pretty funny. I just hate misinformation. Do your fucking homework!
But seriously why is nobody doing the math in there?
Then you have former RS4 owners saying"the RS5 won’t respond to mods" and people believe then because"they have owned both and therefore know"…these are guys who bought nothing but terrible mods for their RS4, spent untold thousands…didn’t get results, and switched to the B8 because it is “more mod friendly”. I.e. Richie. Last time I checked Richie you are still slower than dan, jnaut and George in their “slow” RS4s :).
Give those three guys DSG, better intake system, stronger engine and an 8500 rpm redline and they will be in the elevens. oh…Incidentally the RS5 has all of those things.
Troll thread by Don Supreme, seems to always pop up in JHM threads to fire off negative comments or start sh*t, this is no exception.
He does seem to pop up a lot, but to his credit he bitched out a guy in another thread who was complaining that his JHM RS6r turbos were overboosting blah blah blah. Meanwhile it was his shit waste gate lines…a problem he had, and disclosed, in an earlier thread when he had K03s (and didn’t listen to anyone there either). Don Supreme let him know that bashing a company when they were not at fault is a retard move.
I think DS has a frankenturbo B5 S4. Not sure who tuned it.
It seems donSupreme was fishing for bad information. After a good review of the product, he didn’t really blink. Once a bad review was posted, he said this lol
[quote]THAT’S exactly what I was looking for
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I did think it was funny that jupiteraudi went out of his way to post a horrible review of the JHM rotors because he destroyed the $500 rotors in 4 track days…then he went on to slip out the fact that he blew a Tial turbo, but will be gladly buying 2 more Tial turbos yay Tial!!! yay!
I don’t get that. If you have a product that fails badly, and warn everyone about it (even though can we really say his rotors failed badly? he torched them at track days) why is it that you blow a turbo costing you thousands of dollars (parts + install) and don’t post a god damned thing warning people about it? Just a ‘I’m upgrading to Tials’.
I don’t understand how people think sometimes. I would like to see him post in the various Tial threads ‘WARNING GUYS…I bought these Tial 605 turbos and they ARE NOT FIT FOR TRACK USE’ since he did the same about some rotors he wore out. Blowing a set of turbos to smithereens can cost someone $4000+. why is he so vigilent to protect everyone from buying JHM rotors for their B5 S4, yet not doing a damn thing to protect guys from Tial 605 failures???
I just remember all his posts in the initial rs6r thread being very negative. JHM’s rotors seem to get a bad rap from a number of people on AZ.
JHM is advertising version 2.0 but no idea what they changed
I had their LWFR on my B7 S4 and I liked them, but by no means did I track that car, so not really a good proxy for how they handle abuse. I put about 30,000 KMS on them (18,000 miles)
I believe that the 2.0s just have an anodized rotor hat and the rotor ring is zinc coated.
I did think it was funny that jupiteraudi went out of his way to post a horrible review of the JHM rotors because he destroyed the $500 rotors in 4 track days…then he went on to slip out the fact that he blew a Tial turbo, but will be gladly buying 2 more Tial turbos yay Tial!!! yay!
I don’t get that. If you have a product that fails badly, and warn everyone about it (even though can we really say his rotors failed badly? he torched them at track days) why is it that you blow a turbo costing you thousands of dollars (parts + install) and don’t post a god damned thing warning people about it? Just a ‘I’m upgrading to Tials’.
I don’t understand how people think sometimes. I would like to see him post in the various Tial threads ‘WARNING GUYS…I bought these Tial 605 turbos and they ARE NOT FIT FOR TRACK USE’ since he did the same about some rotors he wore out. Blowing a set of turbos to smithereens can cost someone $4000+. why is he so vigilent to protect everyone from buying JHM rotors for their B5 S4, yet not doing a damn thing to protect guys from Tial 605 failures???
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I’m not sure how I feel about the above…
For starters, what other component plays such a vital role in overall safety at the track? Brakes or Turbos?
Saki, you know better.
The Tials were shipped back last week, we/I don’t know what the issue was but should at some point. You also know what my reason was for picking up a set of 770’s as indicated in a reply to your post in this forum. I never said I was happy to do this and you also agreed by saying what are my other options…
Without knowing what caused the failure how can I start a thread saying why these are bad or why they should be avoided. If someone were to ask about 605’s and track experience vs. longevity then I would chime in. At this point I don’t have an explanation for what went wrong.
Safety wise, if a turbo fails on the track the end result is what? If your brakes fail on the track the end result likely could be much worse, correct? So, am I really trying to save someone $500? I don’t think so!
I gave my feedback regarding their rotors and yes they aren’t suitable for the track. I did say they were fine for street use. So what is the big fucking deal? I replied to a thread asking about feedback and I provided this. I clearly said they aren’t for the track but suitable for the street.
I’m vigilant about keeping someone from the wall not about saving fucking dollars.
I like JHM and have several of their products for both platforms. I gave honest real world feedback (we can call these facts) and of you don’t like it, fine, but there is no need to question my intentions. I’ll roll Tial under the bus real quick pending the outcome of the 605’s.
Should I continue? Do you have any further questions or concerns? Does it make sense?
I know you know others hate facts. I’m sorry you don’t agree with mine regarding JHM rotors but don’t question my intentions and why I post one thing and not another. There are reasons and I trust they are clear at this point.
In addition, I have also posted negative feedback regarding ECS rotors and their shortcomings for track use.
Edit: you can also see I’m consistent with feedback re: street vs. track use.
Just seemed inconsistent to slam one product that you wore out at the track but not the other. In fact you re-upped with the tials.
If you were posting about safety only I guess that’s different. I don’t remember seeing you saying they were unsafe, just that they wore out real quick. Maybe I missed the part where you went into the wall with your JHM rotors.
I replied to a thread asking for feedback.
I never started a thread about JHM.
I know your anti-Tial and I’m ok with that. You’ll get your tial bashing thread if things don’t work out well.
Thankfully I avoided the wall b/c the rotors were only on for four events…
Who said I am anti tial? I don’t care about tial or Jonathon Cohen. Tial turbos sell without compressor maps. The fact you bought them without that says you are anti information, but I am not anti tial.
tial makes no claims…and thus can disappoint nobody.
I don’t like the way the big tial tuner sells them with dyno sheets (on their in house dyno) as if that means anything, as it leads to guys thinking they are getting something that will perform to a particular standard…but when we see those cars tested, they don’t appear to be. So I am anti that. But I don’t care about the turbos…they didn’t do anything to hurt anyone.
I.e. why on earth did you buy tials? I can’t think of a single shred of performance proof that is out there that makes them any better than tried and true k04 turbos. Or that would make you choose epl?
Anyway looking forward to your " tial 605 turbos can only handle a few track days then they blow" thread/posts. How many track days did you get out of then on that subject? Just so we know how long till they blow?
P.S. So you are on a stock motor…and got giant, late spooling, timing needing, super octane requiring tial 770s…for road course days? Wow…I guess that’s one way of doing it. I think its funny that you don’t even know what went wrong yet are confident enough to buy two more tial turbos. If your plan was to see what was wrong then hear if they gave you a credit or not, wouldn’t it be an idea to actually know the answer before buying the new tials and having USP booked in to install them?
One would also question why the fuck I’m using a station wagon to participate in these track events as well. Plan was and is to have as little down time as possible, the 770’s will be used on the 2.8L build when my stock motor goes. Ultimately allowing the build to be done right and again reducing additional down time.
I also agree (and indicated in another post) ordering bigger turbos from the same manufacturer is a little unorthodox especially not knowing the issue with the 605’s. Remember, I’m not a dyno queen and I’m also not shooting for records in the 1/4. I’ve seen and read feedback on the various turbos afforded for this platform and from this I initially opted for Tial. Tried and true K04’s have proven themselves in the 1/4, the Tial cars haven’t. The 1/4 is not my focus.
Good point, there is no additional proof regarding performance of Tials. I do recall this review by a well respected member for this platform. We can add another failure to the others…
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=598
The fact I had the car tuned by EPL hopefully will help the overall situation. You also indicated this could be positive as it doesn’t allow Tial to cast the blame on someone else’s tune. If my intention is to track this thing 2x a month and not set record 1/4 passes or post outrageous dyno figures then I don’t see a problem with the Tial/EPL combo. I get your issues with EPL/AMD/Tial, it makes sense and the subject has been beaten down. Please don’t lump me in with the others you have issues with b/c my objectives are not the same.
I have considered having someone else tune it but this won’t happen yet as I have too much going on. I am very much open to this in the future.
21 Track days for your records.
Craigslist ad, but I always find high hp claims somewhat comical as well as what people choose to post as pertinent information.
1993 URS4 600hp
http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/3301220184.html
price is right