You made me lol with this and remind me of the Monty Python Argument Clinic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c
We talked about that thread above. Have a look.
I want him to answer
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Why the tune caused misfires now, but didn’t for 1 year and 20,000 miles. This is pretty odd. Did the parameters change in the past week?
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Why the tune caused pinging or detonation now, but didn’t for 1 year and 20,000 miles. This too is odd. Did the parameters change in the past week?
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Why the tune didn’t cause these problems on every single jhm tuned car.
The variable thay is obvious is the rest of the car the tune is on. Now you could maybe argue that the tune isn’t safe enough. Ok, however the tune yelled at him in the form of a flashing CEL for misfires. Protection.
Did he Park it? Nope. He kept driving. Can the tune protect the car against a failed injector if you keep driving? To a certain extent it can but it can’t prevent you from being stupid.
His correction? Coil plugs and spark plugs. Why? Did jhm advise him to do this and that driving the car would be OK? If so sure he may have a case for poor diagnostic advice. However I am sure any jhm email would have a thorough disclaimer at the bottom protecting them.
If anyone is interested though please ask him those 3 questions. I think kkolade asked one of them (why isn’t everyone having this problem if the variable is the tune rather than hardware).
yeah exactly. It’s tough to understand the ‘must be the tune’ conviction.
I understand that when shit goes wrong, we all look for someone to blame. When the car is bone stock other than a tune, sure you could think ‘must be the tune’. Hell, Audi would tell you that. Mechanics who don’t know what they’re doing would tell you that. It’s so easy. Audi Certified mechanics will tell you that your non-Audi stereo system is why your o2 sensors are failing. Seriously, the first thing they do is say to themselves ‘Audi is perfect…is anything non-Audi?’. They’d blame a blown engine on suspension and window tint if his JHM tune wasn’t there.
But yeah, when your car runs ‘fine’ for 20,000 miles…but then suddenly misfires aggressively, maybe something went wrong with the hardware. He doesn’t want to admit that. He changed coil packs and sparkplugs…when reality is the fueling was likely having problems. Did he replace fuel pumps? Did he check injectors? Fuck no. That’s expensive. You can do spark plugs and coilpacks for $500 and be done with it. I’ve seen a couple of people on the forums with misfires that they chased and when they changed/cleaned injectors they were in good shape.
To change injectors is $900+ $500 or so in labour to remove/reinstall the manifold. To just check them and send them out is $300 + $500 or so in labour and your car is sitting in a garage for a week. Fuel pumps too are expensive.
Oh, wow…he drove it for a year before this happened, lol! Sorry, I didn’t even read his first post, I saw the title and 4 pages of stupid so I had to respond. I feel like arguing today, so hopefully he pops back in that thread to entertain me.
We had a customer who was denied warranty on the sun roof module because he had coilovers.
You were given 2 extremes.
Bone stock Audi A3 1.8 TSI DSG with 0 modifications
Extreme modified VW R32 with 3.2 (Turbocharged) and DSG.
I can provide you with more if you want or you can continue denying that the product works.
YES.
Finally you are catching on.
I wouldn’t call 100’s of times across various forums “once” . This “vapourware” actually works and has worked long before you owned an RS4.
Not an insane as someone who refuses to believe the data infront of them.
Ask yourself one question.
What is going to happen when people start posting before and after dyno’s after? You going to call them out too just because your head is so far up a certain companies ass or will you finally succumb to the fact that you really don’t know what you are talking about with respect to torsional vibration dampers?
“you don’t know the platform”
Oh fuck off…
When I was the APR distributor for Ottawa I was the only APR distributor that performed all the supercharger pulley swaps from Toronto to Laval as the dealer in Guelph was “closed”.
When you keep repeating this statement it makes you sound so petty. You knew full well I was referring to the Audi A7 paired with an 8-speed transmission. But keep up with the petty insults and continue repeating it…it makes you sound so cool (for now).
I am out. See you on Audizine.
You truly do lack understanding of the product. This has been beaten to death over the last 10 years.
I would rebuttal with something about faster traps / lower 1/4 mile times but drag race cars run ATI / Fluidampr pulleys not billet aluminum pulleys chewed out on a lathe in your basement.
Food for thought , I have been on forums a hell of alot longer than you . You are doing your country and fellow Canadians a great dis-service by insulting my company , a company by the way that does designing , engineering and manufacturing in house in Ottawa , Canada by a Canadian employing other Canadians. If you put aside your online rage for 5 minutes and simply looked up what is it we do , you would actually be somewhat surprised.
Or you can continue adding to this list:
- snake oil salesman
- armchair engineer
- bought my degree
- part drop shipper
You know you have won the argument when the other guy has to resort to personal attacks to make his argument seem valid.
I think it is best you just wait for the results of an Aluminum pulley vs a fluidampr before this moves along any further. Continuing this argument in this fashion is ignorant and is going nowhere.
I think the problem is your definition of ‘works’ or ‘data’ is a dyno and mine is acceleration. We are buying parts for acceleration. You’re selling dyno sheets.
I can show you how to make tire pressure adjustments that will show your customers their car made ‘gains’ but when they try to accelerate, they won’t be any faster than before. Or should I say the customers of the companies whose products you drop ship.
I also think it’s funny that you really think you’re going to see a 7% power increase on a pretty maxed out stage 2 B8 S4 by changing a billet aluminium crank pulley out for one that is EXACTLY the same diameter (so no supercharger RPM change) but that has ‘fluidampr’ special sauce rubber. I think it’s incredible that the dummies on audizine believed you to be honest. I thought the B8 section was smarter.
Now you’re saying that when you said ‘the B8 S4 with DSG or 8 speed automatic…’ you actually meant the A7? lolol keep digging.
You’re the biggest snake oil salesman I’ve seen in a looong time on forums.
We have pulleys in stock, made by Americans, on American soil, with American Engineering and Design here in California. Did you want an HD pulley of the OD pulley for your testing?
I will have to tell you this up front though, they were not chewed out on a lathe in our basement so I don’t know if our pulleys will skew the data you are looking for or not.
You made me lol with this and remind me of the Monty Python Argument Clinic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c
yeah exactly. It’s tough to understand the ‘must be the tune’ conviction.
I understand that when shit goes wrong, we all look for someone to blame. When the car is bone stock other than a tune, sure you could think ‘must be the tune’. Hell, Audi would tell you that. Mechanics who don’t know what they’re doing would tell you that. It’s so easy. Audi Certified mechanics will tell you that your non-Audi stereo system is why your o2 sensors are failing. Seriously, the first thing they do is say to themselves ‘Audi is perfect…is anything non-Audi?’. They’d blame a blown engine on suspension and window tint if his JHM tune wasn’t there.
But yeah, when your car runs ‘fine’ for 20,000 miles…but then suddenly misfires aggressively, maybe something went wrong with the hardware. He doesn’t want to admit that. He changed coil packs and sparkplugs…when reality is the fueling was likely having problems. Did he replace fuel pumps? Did he check injectors? Fuck no. That’s expensive. You can do spark plugs and coilpacks for $500 and be done with it. I’ve seen a couple of people on the forums with misfires that they chased and when they changed/cleaned injectors they were in good shape.
To change injectors is $900+ $500 or so in labour to remove/reinstall the manifold. To just check them and send them out is $300 + $500 or so in labour and your car is sitting in a garage for a week. Fuel pumps too are expensive.
Careful Jake, Issam will get upset and threaten to leave again. Like he does every 5 mintues
Jake, did you know that you are costing people 20-25 whp or about 30 hp by not injecting silicone in your pulleys? DAMN YOU JAKE!
We had a customer who was denied warranty on the sun roof module because he had coilovers.
I haven’t made any personal attacks other than to call you a snake oil salesman (which you are)
You’re straight up lying to the fucking forum.
Here’s a great example. The Fluidampr (aka sillicone) website shows the following as ‘performance proof’
It’s a dyno of a golf that gained with fluidampr vs. stock on a dyno. 20whp? 25whp? No.
4 whp!
The company’s own marketing shows an example of 4 whp. Yet Issam proclaims he and his team canada fluidampr will get you 20-25 whp on your DSG or 8 speed automatic B8 S4.
Seems Issam has lost his mind and forgotten his science as he is clinging to one extreme freak dyno result on a golf performed by someone selling a fluidampr. Interestingly, Fluidampr are not clinging to that. They’re posting a 4 whp gain on a VR6. Issam claims 20-25 whp.
Check the tremendously skewed scale on the bar chart to make the gains look pretty. Why? because the real gains wouldn’t look so great if you used a full Y scale to do so. As I’ve done below their dyno.
http://www.fluidampr.com/assets/images/large/VR6-usp-dyno-tests1.jpg
You truly do lack understanding of the product. This has been beaten to death over the last 10 years.
I would rebuttal with something about faster traps / lower 1/4 mile times but drag race cars run ATI / Fluidampr pulleys not billet aluminum pulleys chewed out on a lathe in your basement.
Food for thought , I have been on forums a hell of alot longer than you . You are doing your country and fellow Canadians a great dis-service by insulting my company , a company by the way that does designing , engineering and manufacturing in house in Ottawa , Canada by a Canadian employing other Canadians. If you put aside your online rage for 5 minutes and simply looked up what is it we do , you would actually be somewhat surprised.
Or you can continue adding to this list:
- snake oil salesman
- armchair engineer
- bought my degree
- part drop shipper
You know you have won the argument when the other guy has to resort to personal attacks to make his argument seem valid.
I think it is best you just wait for the results of an Aluminum pulley vs a fluidampr before this moves along any further. Continuing this argument in this fashion is ignorant and is going nowhere.
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The marketing data you posted was from a bone stock MK4 R32 Naturally Aspirated Golf with 3 accessories being driven the crankshaft pulley none of which are a Supercharger.
Comparing that to a Stage 2+ 3.0 Supercharged motor is an absolute joke. No matter what I post , you are going to rebuttal with an adenine uneducated reply making this discussion pointless.
You will never understand viscous torsional dampers and there benefits.
Good Luck.
signed
The Snake Oil Salesman.
We have pulleys in stock, made by Americans, on American soil, with American Engineering and Design here in California. Did you want an HD pulley of the OD pulley for your testing?
I will have to tell you this up front though, they were not chewed out on a lathe in our basement so I don’t know if our pulleys will skew the data you are looking for or not.
Careful Jake, Issam will get upset and threaten to leave again. Like he does every 5 mintues
Jake, did you know that you are costing people 20-25 whp or about 30 hp by not injecting silicone in your pulleys? DAMN YOU JAKE!
Do you have any evidence of actual performance gains? Or just speculation, dynos and hope?
Your argument appears to be ‘fluidsauce works because I sell it/say it works’. And ‘you don’t understand torsional dampers’ which is a fancy way of trying to scare someone out of an argument. Popular tactic for snake oil salespeople. Unfortunately for you, those tactics aren’t work. So…anything else?
Dynos - are bullshit and prove that ink sticks to paper, that’s about it. But if you want to post some, post away. Make sure that none of them were performed by anyone with a vested interest in your product. Not by you, not by your dealer, not by some non-dealer shop who is selling the crank pulley.
Acceleration - 1/4 mile testing to show gains of 20-30 whp would be pretty easy. That’s the equivalent of about 2-3 tenths and 2-3 MPH of trap speed, all else being equal (DA, mods, driver, tires, etc).
So let’s see it.
Here’s the only independent test I could find. They tested a BRZ, and compared stock, LW and fluidampr. Not a dealer. Not a customer who is panning fluidamprs online like bhvrdr. Just a guy with a blog.
The result? Fluidampr gained 0 HP and 0 tq on the independent dyno. In fact it posted a loss of about 0.1 WHP and 0.8 WTQ lol.
Oops.
[quote]So now we come down to the numbers game, the bottom line of this test.
OEM Subaru - the Light Heavyweight = 179.19 peak WHP with 139.81 ft. lbs max torque
Perrin - the Flyweight = 177.82 peak WHP with 138.29 ft. lbs max torque
Fluidampr - the reigning Heavyweight = 179.05 peak WHP with 139.03 ft. lbs max torque
[/quote]
and the fluidampr actually was about half a pound heavier than stock, which as we know is the answer for worse performance, not better when dealing with rotating mass at the crank
I haven’t made any personal attacks other than to call you a snake oil salesman (which you are)
You’re straight up lying to the fucking forum.
Here’s a great example. The Fluidampr (aka sillicone) website shows the following as ‘performance proof’
It’s a dyno of a golf that gained with fluidampr vs. stock on a dyno. 20whp? 25whp? No.
4 whp!
The company’s own marketing shows an example of 4 whp. Yet Issam proclaims he and his team canada fluidampr will get you 20-25 whp on your DSG or 8 speed automatic B8 S4.
Seems Issam has lost his mind and forgotten his science as he is clinging to one extreme freak dyno result on a golf performed by someone selling a fluidampr. Interestingly, Fluidampr are not clinging to that. They’re posting a 4 whp gain on a VR6. Issam claims 20-25 whp.
Check the tremendously skewed scale on the bar chart to make the gains look pretty. Why? because the real gains wouldn’t look so great if you used a full Y scale to do so. As I’ve done below their dyno.
http://www.fluidampr.com/assets/images/large/VR6-usp-dyno-tests1.jpg