Keep in mind you dont know jack shit about me or my car. How do you know what my car will run? You think your madam Cleo? Just cause you had a nice Racegas tune and ran some good quarter mile times, you now know what every B8 S4 runs in the quarter mile even though you dont know anything about the car whatsoever? WHose going to win the NBA championship this year? whose going to get elected president in 2016? Your living in a complete dream world and dont know jack shit. Im not going to drive hours to a quarter mile track just to prove something to some dudes online. I dont hit that way if you know what I mean. I go to racetracks and drive the shit out of my car because it brings me pleasure, I go on canyon runs for fun, I race other cars for fun and to test my car. The rest of the time Im working or fucking bitches, not trying to jerk off guys online like some people!!!
Way to go big shot. You sure told him.
You should buy an Epl tuned b5s4. They’re scared of the dragstrip too.
You lost all credibility when you started pimping the EuroCode headers for your buddies at every opportunity, including that bogus dyno you keep telling everyone about.
Go learn to read the tvsr1320 compressor map so you can see how ludicrous your 492 whp claim is. If the dyno said 492 that only proves that ink sticks to paper. Your car is not some 492 whp dragon slayer.
I think your car should be able to run something decent but from the sounds of it that is not what you think it is. Primetime has a good idea of what you’ll run because he has a great amount of experience with this platform and the quarter mile. I administer the quarter mile database here a d the races you described sounded exactly like what primetime mentioned… Low twelve. Ish.
If you’re prone to bragging about the things that cant be verified or proven… Namely dyno sheets and street races…you need to expect this kind of scrutiny.
I gotta say a couple things people have been ignoring about the dyno number.
I am weary of dyno numbers, but if I had to have them, the dynapack is the way to go. Just to state the obvious to some, but who knows: it sits on the hubs, and acceleration is controlled by the dyno and the operator, not the car. This leads to two big things:
1.) Taking the tires out of the equation will obviously free up power, and give a dyno plot that shows MUCH more power up top since tire resistance is exponential with speed. Ever wonder why a 4th gear dyno shows lower than a 3rd gear dyno? Or why some shops don’t want to strap the car “downwards” too hard, since they lose HP up top? None of this matters on a dynapack.
2.) The dyno is in control of the acceleration, if any…yes the dyno can hold the car at a static RPM - or accelerate slowly, or quickly, in a repeatable way. Some may want to have it rip through the rev range so the car isn’t at WOT more than a few seconds, some want a slow acceleration to eliminate transients in control loops for finer tuning.
It’s more repeatable than any other dyno out there. But, obviously, you can only compare a Dynapack to a Dynapack, and moreso at the same acceleration rate. It’s great for comparisons, too, like at Eurotuner, since it pretty much eliminates setup and gearing issues between totally different cars. If you want to make comparisons, compare with Arin’s car on APR’s dynapack. What did he say, 450-460? I don;t hear anyone calling BS on that.
About the dyno operator, I remember Shawn Church 15+ years ago, when he was just a regular guy who wanted more performance out of his B-series Honda. He was a stand up guy, not a bullshitter, and I would absolutely trust his dyno.
Yeah that must mean it’s true then. We were all wrong. Even eaton.
Nobody said the dyno was doctored… Just that he numbers are useless and hearing that they’re spraying the cooling system with nitrous etc… The whole thing g, like those paid for magazine articles always are, is as sketchy as it could possibly be.
492 whp at a low 15%drive train loss is some 580 hp. Call eaton and ask them how much air the car needs to make 580 hp, and explain the conditions of the dyno and they will ask why you are wasting their time with silly games.
So the guy making 580 hp is not even able to hang with a 451 hp C63 at high speeds? Right…
Jspazz, this may fly on audizoo but it won’t here…definitely not even for an Armenian guy who makes fun of Polish people on his first day on the site.
Sure Eaton is misleading, at least. The airflow and PR in the 3.0T don’t really follow the compressor map, and furthermore consider we are spinning it up to 21000 RPM on a map that only goes up to 17000.
You’d pretty much have to compare a dynapack set up with similar acceleration parameters to refute 493 whp on a dynapack. It’s a meaningless number, except maybe compared to Arin’s 455 whp on a dynapack with stock cats. Besides, I’m sure Arin will have a helluva lot more than that pretty soon.
I’d just as much want to see Paperish take a break from working and fucking the Glendale bitches, though, to get to a track. I can’t see why he couldn’t do an 11…seriously guys. I’d bet a coke.
ps. my wife is a Polak and I have no problems calling it as it is sometimes if it fits the stereotype…polak…jew…paki…I won’t go on, but whatever, all at appropriate times, and it would be pretty hard to call me a racist. But in your case it would be different, it doesn’t come across so well coming out of the mouth of a tall fucking white guy I guess…
First off, thanks for posting and keeping the lulz going!
Looks like you have some sick fetish for shit, fucking dogs, and masturbating men.
Can you be anymore jealously enraged over primetimes record time that you cant even get close to?
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Jspazz, gotta agree with Saki on this. Dyno numbers are just that ink on paper and are ALL so easily cheated. What do you think will happen if that dynapack is programmed with a larger wheel diameter?
I should know better then to ever get into a dyno debate. I won’t debate, I will offer a good way to help. Take the head unit, find the MAX CFM, then calculate the efficiency, Take the boost measurement, Then calculate them together . That will tell you the Max hp you can make (theory)
This might not even be helpful, I don’t know the full extent of what you guys are talking about.
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LOL! So paper bag has joined the forum, how nice… Off to a fine start with all the insults… I would prefer to discuss our cars and other Audi’s, which is why I am here, but if you want to sling insults around I am game… As for what your car will run, that’s really pretty simple actually… It’s a 6-speed B8 S4 and you’ve posted your mods so what don’t I know that is going to drastically change your times? But hey maybe I am wrong, so why don’t you prove that? Post some real timeslips/vids and I’ll cover your entry fee and cost of gas to get there, how’s that baller? Heck you may even have fun… I know I know your too busy nailing chicks and working… Yet you post your BS all the time on that other site and took the time to join over here and attack me… If you really like to “race other cars” and “test my car” than the dragstrip is about the best place to do that, but you don’t get that for some reason… As for the NBA title I will say OKC and president in 2016, I will say Hillary Clinton…
Good predictions really. I’m going to lay a fiver down on Thunder right now.
One of the coolest drives in the world links Paperish to the fastest dragstrip in California (Sacramento raceway) . Highway 1, PCH.
Anyway we already saw a car with Paperish’s modlist and more run at the dragstrip at sea level in ice cold weather for -1000 density altitude. Richi ran pump, and race would maybe give him 12.0 flat at 117 or so.
Since Paperish is in California without the beinefficientit of the Atco da… Not sure but primetime is probably right on with his predictions. Considering he already raced a 12.4 @ 114 type car on pump, and didn’t win (c63) why is Paperish so shocked? Oh I know… It’s the dyno. They even fooled him with it.
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All I can say is not to get excited about the actual wheel number, since it’s a dynapack. Comparing to another dynapack run like on Arin’s car makes it look pretty powerful. And I Shawn Church is a bullshitter - there’s nothing to gain, especially when everybody is relying on him to be fair and impartial for the Eurotuner competition. Hey, if you want here’s his intro guide to the dynapack.
http://home.earthlink.net/~spchurch/id12.html
850 CFM has been logged on a similar car, correct to 775 for STP. To me, it’s in the ballpark for theoretical whp…regardless…
I would LOVE to drive down hwy 1 again…it’s been 10 years for me. We considered moving back then…
If you think that car makes 492 whp but only on that dyno, who cares what it says.
If it makes 492 whp there, but 420 whp on a traditional dynojet or Mustang, shouldn’t there be a caveat about the dyno used rather than ‘my car makes 492 whp’.
How do you then compare dyno and cfm and say it looks realistic? 775 cfm might produce 510 crank hp or so… And that would make sense at 425 whp on a typical dyno. Certainly not 492 whp on a typical dyno. Perhaps only on a corrected hub dyno. So why run around saying 492?
This is what happened when apr released stock dyno info for the b8 as 316 whp. Everyone treated it like a normal dyno, applied 25% drive train loss and concluded the b8 makes 420 hp stock.
When I explained that peak hp is much less, but the early curve is epic… and that Apr dyno exhibits far less drive train loss and has epic cooling and air recirculation, everyone said… You guessed it… That I was a hater and was jealous.
This was the birth of b8itis.
When Keith agreed with me they finally shut the fuck up.
Exactly, this is the dyno debate…which is one that will never be solved. I just don’t think that it’s worth getting bent out of shape over it, or saying his numbers are bogus - they are what they are, compared to a dynapack without correction. They are good numbers to congratulate him with, considering it’s higher than similar tests at APR on a similar dyno. I hope people can step back and turn this around.
[QUOTE=jdwk;8340605]I did it once when shifting to 4th in my C6 and excitedly put it in 2nd. I let off and took it out of gear as fast as I could, but really there’s been no adverse effects, not even a little bit. The car is as strong as ever. I think the RPM limits of engines are put there because they stop making power and over an extended period of time they will break, but otherwise Indy and F1 engines would never exist at all. It’s not like they put some magical kryptonite in those cars to reach 20k rpms. They are the same engines designed to make peak HP at much higher rpms, to stay there for extended periods of time and to be rebuilt when they are done. There is nothing special going on here, so a single over-rev will have absolute no affect on a street car.
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speaking about money-shifting a B8 S4
You are wrong on so many levels, first of all how do you know I’m running a stock supercharger? stock supercharger internals? you dont know about the rabbit I have up my sleeve as well, that I have been dying to post about, that I am not aloud to post about. You just make assumptions to suit your needs. My car made what it made on that day and I had nothing to do with it. All of the quarter mile tracks closed around here so European car cut that portion out of the GP, I was sorely disappointed about that myself. Im not going to go refuting my own car for your enjoyment or satisfaction. Plus Primetime has no idea whatsoever what I will run, he doesnt have a manual, hes never ever ever been in a car with my setup. No one that doesn’t live in Los Angeles has, hes just talking out of his ass.
Just like you claiming my 580HP car couldnt hang with a C63, when I obviously posted that I ripped up a C63 when I was actually on racegas later on that day. My car doesnt make anywhere near 580HP on 91 OCT which is what I was running when I was dead even with my firends C63 up to 105-110. Again you taking things out of context to suit your argument, and try to make me look bad.
This is the kind of pathological bragging he’s talking about. You’re not supposed to mention it, yet you give hints. You can’t help yourself.
lol again. It’s awesome. Looking forward to the EuroCode nitrous kit being announced.
I do to. BTW my car has never ran nitrous. I do not have a nitrous kit on my car.
Well, again for what it’s worth, welcome here…it wasn’t a very warm welcome, but I guess you’ve made people upset here because of your bragging on AZ and those crappy headers you put on your car. Apparently you have nothing to add here. Try to talk less about how great your car is and start looking at the merits of other Audi platforms for a change, will you? I’m trying here too, I’m thoroughly researching all the past Audi platforms and motors that I’ll never own.
You don’t need to know anything Bout other platforms… Just don’t open your mouth about platforms you are clueless about and you will do just fine. Everyone will.
That’s what you don’t seem to get. If you talk trash or talk down to other platforms, and are ignorant about the subject, you will look a fool and be made fun of. Probably in this thread. This goes for everyone. If I were trash talking another platform with bad information, I would invite you or anyone to let me know I’m out of line and to point out my error. I don’t tend to do that… I think it’s kind of lame. There’s always some platform you can trash talk, and there’s always some other platform that can trash talk you. Best to just mind your tongue and stick to facts and things you know.