So…why are they all trashing REVO? The REVO guy made 354 whp/318 wtq vs. 290/290 in stock mode. So he picked up 60 whp/25 wtq…that’s fucking amazing. Arin is dancing like he just won the lottery after reading those numbers. No excuses…those are awesome. I don’t get it.
The only useful comparisons here are the 2 APR cars NOT running a beta tune (so NOT richi) and the just-a-tune REVO car.
1. dawei REVO - 354/318 - tune only
vs
socfan12 APR - 353/330 - tune + pulley + ??? (any other mods? )
In this instance, the APR stage 2 tune (and pulley) and whatever mods were not noted in the thread added a grand total of 1 whp, and 12 wtq. That’s not exactly awesome…and that’s a win for REVO.
2. dawei REVO - 354/318 - tune only
vs.
mdma2004: APR - 369/317 - milltek non-res exhaust, strat intake, and 6MT which has less DTL thus outght to be marginally stronger
This time, the guys are both stage 1 tune on pump…but the APR car had Manual vs. DSG, a catback exhaust and an intake. These mods added up to 15 whp and -1 wtq. That’s pretty much a draw as far as I can tell power wise when you factor the drivetrain loss of the DSG car into it. So either there’s nothing between the two, or there is a little better for APR and the catback and intake are doing 0. Both are realistically possible. Again, basically a draw head on.
The concern, I’d have if I was APR is that their 2 stage II cars made less power than the stage 1 car. Granted richi had some issues, so throw his results out. Look at the stage 1 APR car vs stage 2 APR car.
3. socfan12 APR - 353/330 - tune + pulley + ??? (any other mods? )
vs.
mdma2004: APR - 369/317 - milltek non-res exhaust, strat intake, and 6MT which has less DTL thus outght to be marginally stronger
Once again, the MT6 car has a slight advantage drivetrain loss wise (say 10-12 whp) so consider that…but I find it pretty amazing that the stage II tune/pulley has again added almost no appreciable peak difference vs. a stage 1 car, this time APR’s own stage 1 tune… In fac the stage 2 car made -16 whp, but did put up +13 wtq. Sure the MT6 stage 1 car has a catback and an intake but again, this isn’t a combo that has shown to add a ton on the dyno. The stage 2 car has a definite torque advantage of 13 wtq despite DTL, but I’m still finding the numbers kind of odd.
Even stranger is that Arin is touting these numbers as big wins for APR…and is shoving the numbers in the face of the REVO supporters. Umm…dude…your cars just dyno’d weaker than REVO with less mods, and your own stage II did fuck all against your own stage 1. You may need to focus on your own problems not the competition so much. Again as everyone knows I have no dog in this race…I dislike both companies’ approach to this tuning battle equally, don’t really care who wins and am just an interested observer. I just think it’s funny how everyone thinks that because the REVO car didn’t dyno 386 whp like auditude (a notorious liar/cheat/scammer) this is for whatever reason ‘good’ for APR.
The biggest thing this ‘showdown’ proves is that dynos are confusing, temperamental machines. I’m pissed the B8 guys didn’t do pulls after the dyno day was over. All that most of us really want to know about…WHAT CAR IS FASTEST!
