New B6/7 S4 supercharger option?

B6/7 S4/RS4
#1

According to BenSti, VF engineering was working on a supercharger kit for his good buddy ngng…the guy who was banned from audizineand euroadd for stealing from members on dirty classified ad deals (and was rumoured to have stolen from his local Audi club according to mickf29 on quattroworld). As always, more great choices by Ben on who to align himself with.

Anyway, according to Ben VF made a TVS1900 kit for ngng. Someone else said basically that ngng’s goal was to crush the JHM kit.

Only problem with that (that ngng is too daft to understand) is that the JHM kit pushes the engine to a safe limit…is tuned by the best tuner in the business…and really has zero headroom for improvement as the motor is the limiting factor, not having the coolest blower. You can put a nuke under the hood ngng…it’s not going to make you any faster unless you blow the motor or build it, and we all know that’s not happening at VF lol.

Anyway, ngng dyno’d 380 whp with the VF updated kit vs. his 365 whp on his Eaton M90 kit. Sounds pretty good, but when you consider that his M90 kit was basically at best a 12.8 @ 110 quarter mile car (based on the pulls it did over the years vs. the JHM car which whipped his ass soundly every time), it’s completely useless to use that dyno info on his car as any reference. And if GIAC is still tuning it, the car willl not have improved upon it’s second biggest limitation after the tiny M90…the tune.

Here’s a post from Ben on quattrofail. Pretty funny…Ben’s subjective butt dyno is giving us an unbiased review lol.

Just for the record - ngng = sponsored by/compensated byVF Engineering to pump their kits on the forums, thus is in competition with the JHM kit
Ben = making an RS4 exhaust to compete with the JHM exhaust, thus is in direct financial competition with JHM

Therefore take anything they say as what it is…a potentially slanted and tainted review that is designed to beiinefficientficientit their own pockets and pick from JHM’s.

[quote=BenSTi]Not only is power feel good, the drivability is great, it is a little touchy in 1st gear on/off throttle, but anything above that it feels very smooth and very responsive. Power wise, it has quite a bit more pickup than my RS4 in the mid range, really jumps when you step on it. I have driven the JHM S4 with their supercharger and it feels like it has a little more top end, but doesn’t have the same mid-range punch that this kit has.

Other than just the blower, driving the car feels amazing with the suspension, wheel/tire, and brake setup. Had a nice fun run up in the mountains.

To those people on AudiRevolution claiming the Stasis MS setup isn’t worth the money in rebuilding it, drive it and decide. Maybe it doesn’t help you go faster in a quarter mile, but it really feels amazing on the car and no harsher to drive than my RS4.
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his comments sound like he’s saying what should happen. The twin vortices blower should make more mid range…and the Cfuge should make better top end. Frankly all of this means nothing because we, in true VF fashion, have no proof of anything, and likely won’t ever see it.

Hopefully ngng feels all tough and shows up at JHM’s new location (that he calls ‘a barn in stockton’) to get his ass whipped again.

Here’s the ‘barn’. Only barn I’ve ever seen with an automatic gate, 6 foot high stone walls, freshly paved lot, an office building and a massive 3 garage shop with multiple lifts. I guess the brand new metal building is the ‘old barn’?

http://kemsf.com/s4avant/jhm/jhm01.jpg

http://kemsf.com/s4avant/jhm/jhm17.jpg

10 second JHM B5

http://www.jhmotorsports.com/images/grand_opening/JHM_Grand_Opening_16.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/photo_226.JPG

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/photo_125.JPG

Here’s a look inside the ‘barn’. Maybe ngng was right…there’s about 1000 horses in there in this pic.

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/sakimano/JHMbarn.jpg

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#2

damn the new building is nice

and interesting story… and its funny if ngng really went through all that to build a jhm beater like he just cant let his defeat go, like he has this festering anger still from being embarassed because his car ended up being a fraud

#3

Fixed.

#4

Fixed again

#5

Guys, I should clarify. My friendship with Jon is not just cars. I do not agree with his website against JHM and much of his posting about them. That being said, I got a chance to drive his car up in the hills yesterday. I have to say I am quite impressed with the new kit, it appears to be very well built from what I can see under the hood, and it is very responsive an smooth power delivery. Keep in mind, I drove a JHM SC’d S4 (I think it was Jason’s personal car). Their kit is also very impressive, very fast. It has been quite a while since I drove it, so I can’t compare the two. The biggest difference I noticed though was the difference in power delivery. The VF kit has a very nice mid range kick, where the JHM kit has much more top end power, as you would expect.

I am not saying one is better than the other. I do know Jon gave the car back to VF after the belt snapped and VF decided to remake the kit since they realized the first kit was a failure. I think they have made a good contender here and it will be interesting to see what it does 1/4 mile and dyno’s. I think he wants to go back and test it on the 034 Dyno so he can get comparison numbers to the old kit on the same dyno.

I know the kit will be announced soon, wait and see what they release before discrediting it. I think they realized they fucked up last time and are not making the same mistakes again.

#6

is GIAC still doing the tuning? Is it just a larger blower of did they address the other design oversights?

#7

I do not know who is doing the tuning. I do know it uses a much larger TVS1900 blower. I am looking forward to see what the kit can do performance wise. Butt-dyno wise, it felt pretty good. Better than I expected.

#8

[quote=“sakimano,post:1,topic:3431”]
Are you saying GIAC is not capable of tuning?

#9

Not this platform…

#10

Jon said it was not tuned by GIAC, it was tuned in house apparently.

#11

you can’t compare the two? really? You just did on quattrofail lol.

Nobody discredited the kit. The TVS1900 is a great piece to use. Perfect for the B6/7 S4 really.

However I don’t think I believe ANYTHING that comes out of VF’s mouth after they got caught last time

  1. paying someone to say the kit was great and hoodwink people on forums (your buddy ngng…and don’t try to distance yourself from him just for convenience. You’re buddies. This isn’t AZ)

  2. VF lied and said they hadn’t gone to the strip with the kit. They did. It sucked. They buried the result.

  3. VF hid from any real performance testing when they were asked for it. Then when cornered, they said they’d definitely share some info. Then when they sucked dick at the strip, they said the clutch was slipping because it couldn’t hold all the power. Then when they changed the clutch they vanished from the forums.

Having options is nice…but lets get real. JHM charges like $9,000 for a kit that will kick the shit out of the VF version 1 kit and will at worst equal the VF 2 kit. Why would anyone (other than you and ngng, both anti-JHM crusaders who benefit financially from being anti-JHM) want to roll the dice on another kit from VF after the ironically dicey first one…and after their record with these platforms…when you know it’s going to have a terrible tune on it, and the JHM setup is already ready to rock?

#12

The GIAC tune was one of the serious weakpoints on the original VF M90 kit. While an M90 sucks dick, it should still have produces SOME power and enabled ngng’s car to beat JHM’s car all motor. Unfortunately the tune lagged so badly into each gear that JHM had to give him pretty sizeable headstarts to make it interesting. The first pull they did with JHM all motor (315 whp setup) vs. ngng’s car blown (supposedly 402 whp…and we now know it was actually 365 whp after a re-dyno) the JHM car pulled a quick 2 cars on the VF car who struggled to catch up. Jay then gave VF the hit to make it closer. Then they gave him a 1/2 car length lead and the hit. It was pathetic.

So yes, I am saying that GIAC is not capable of tuning (in this instance). Check the GIAC b6/7 S4 tune. Check the VF tune. Hell, check the GIAC B8 S4 tune (91 file ran 12.8 @ 109 in amazing density altitude, DSG car no hiccups, no problems…and my bone stock Rs4 beat the car every time). They’re great at advertising dyno sheets though. 402 whp (ironically) for that GIAC 91 file on the B8 S4. Yeah sure.

#13

Interestingly, VF has another Eaton TVSr1900 kit for another 4.2 Audi.

Here’s the ‘record’ VF R8 quarter mile time. Not much out there about VF’s other TVS1900 kit lighting it up. 12.3 @ 116 even though it weighs 200 lbs less than the b6…and has forged internals.

DA was a decent 780 feet…so not sure what the deal is.

1/4 Mile ET: 12.397
1/4 Mile MPH: 116.540
1/8 Mile ET: 8.130
1/8 Mile MPH: 91.370
0-60 Foot ET: 1.956

http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-R8-Timeslip-20905.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/20905-2009-Audi-R8.jpg

#14

[quote=“AudiA4_20T,post:8,topic:3431”]

I’m not really impressed by GIAC’s tuning either. Even for the mkiv R32 their tunes were garbage, covering up with the whole “NA tuning doesn’t yield gains” garbage

#15

Did I read that correctly? JHM supercharged B6 S4 with baby seat goes down the 1/4 mile faster than a VF supercharged R8 FSI 4.2 V8. Wow. That’s pretty cool for the 4 door family hauler.

#16

I am comparing how they feel, not saying one is better than the other or is best to buy. I believe my first words when I drove the JHM S4 was “Holy Shit”. Both appear to be well done kits, the JHM is tested and proven, the VF kit is brand new, literally Jon just got his car back on Saturday I think. Hopefully they do testing before they make any claims on performance.

It is no mystery why VF fucked up the first time. They tried to get to market quickly and did not tell the truth apparently to customers. I would hope they learned their lesson and won’t make the same mistake this time, but only time will tell.

I want to be clear, I am not Anti-JHM. I reccomend their products, that have worked for me, to others. I tell people to wait until JHM releases the tune, because they told me they wouldn’t sell it until it was perfect. I am only making an exhaust because I believe I can make a better exhaust for the car. I am not doing it to hurt them, I think competition is good for customers and will result in better products for everybody. JHM makes very good products, but there is always room for improvement. Hell, somebody will probably figure out a way to improve the exhaust beyond what our company has done. Either way, it is good for customers to have a choice in the matter.

#17

well, in that case it did. Can’t see anywhere that shows performance testing for the VF R8 4.2. This is S.O.P. for VF Engineering.

The 1900 is a great blower. One need only look at the tune+exhaust Cadillac CTS-V guys who run mid 11s in the 125 mph range to see that fact. Putting it on a sportscar like the R8 (that already runs 12.5-12.6 @ 110 stock) and pick up 6 mph and only 2 tenths is pretty disappointing. Would be nice to know the whole story.

An R8 4.2 + TVS1900 should make 500-525 whp on pump in its sleep, and run low 11s @ 125 without really being all that groundbreaking. Trapping 10mph off that in good DA…means a couple of things could have happened.

  1. the driver messed up his shifts badly. I mean you need to really mess up bad to drop 9mph but it’s not impossible
  2. the driver posted this time but it was just a shakedown pass where he took it easy. Not likely…nobody posts their shit times to dragtimes.com lol
  3. the tune is holding the car back. Very possible…we saw this with APR…Count Vohn retuned the TVS1320 RS4 and picked up 7 MPH of trap speed and 7 tenths of ET.

To that end, I’m sure JHM isn’t too worried about this latest VF offering, and hopefully the marketplace is smart enough to not get too excited over it. Going to be fun to watch it develop.

#18

I really don’t have a problem with anything Ben said there. Just one man’s opinion. I don’t take it as bashing JHM.

Bring on the 1/4 times. Everyone in the community is skeptical of VF. I doubt they’ll sneak any shady stuff past 4.2 audi owners after their last fail.

Anyways, seeing those pics really makes me want to move to NoCal 8)

#19

It’s a nice place to live! ;D

#20

It has been 70-80 and sunny for the last week!