haha, your posting in a B6/B7 S4/RS4 forum, under a B6/B7 supercharger option thread…but I have no right to be in here??
ok, so you smoked this 335…big deal.
My point was what contributions have you made? besides hating on people that put up numbers, and want to progress their platform.
You called Saki childish for calling you names…wait to follow suit.
Euroswagr and his barely modded S4 would fucking crush you. Save your gas money and save the RS4 owners on quattrofail the embarrassment. You’ve already set the platform back 4 years with your high 13s runs (which are likely 14.0+ based on you lying about the timeslip blowing out the window)
It was an invite, let me know when your ready and can make the trip, our test and tune goes every friday night, 7-11pm
Are you hitting up Quattro de Mayo this weekend in NC? What part of NC are you in? I’ll def make the trip…If the track is that low altitude…I’ll even get DaytonaRS4 to drive down…
I’m from about as Eastern NC as you can get, Jacksonville, NC (Coastal Plains Dragway). I’ve never even heard of that meet, and I don’t plan on going.
Just don’t wait until it’s 90 degrees out and 100% humidity to make the trip up, that would be pointless. I mean I’ll still run, but no ones gonna set records with those conditions.
Listen trust me I know! It was 85 degrees and 100% humidity @ 1300 ft when I ran the 13.4 that Saki keeps referring to…and I was not trying to do a high RPM launch and kill my clutch…and most of the tracks around atlanta are similar…I’d have to drive over 150 miles to get a low altitude track and trying to find a open weekend to do that is not easy with kids…and honestly dragstrips are not that important to my crew…we prefer road courses…but NC is not that far and I may meet my boys halfway…so I’ll def let you know…I take back my comments about you earlier…you seem like a straight forward dude…much respect!
Ben may not have first heard mine wit the hot swap test pipes and cats. Other JHM kits, like Dan’s, sound different than mine because of that. I am sure that is when Ben said what he did. On the dyno in the dyno room at 034, mine sounded smoother and more refined, Bens’ sounds a bit more throaty. His has since calmed down I have been told, but I doubt his and JHM sound the same. There are differences. In terms of noise, his is louder.
I didn’t come in here Saki to start drama, i am just passing on data. Dont use what I said to make a point against someone else, my interpretation or preference of exhaust sound is different than others, and I know at the time our cars were together, they did sound different. And I know my car sounds different than Dan’s. I am sure Ben was basing his sound comment on Dan’s at the time. Anyways give Ben a break, he is making some cool stuff and someday you may want to pick up some of his stuff. Like the exhaust, since you can’t get anything like it elsewhere.
Saki you are taking what I said completely out of context. I never said you were lying at all. In fact I was actually backing up your claim of doing 12.9. I know its possible in a stock car. As for my statement about mods, i was simply saying I had no knowledge of any mods on your car, or whatever. Nothing conspiratorial there, please just take the compliment I was paying you.
Euro,
1/4 mile is a good test of any car, as is skidpad, braking, etc. But that does not mean the car was designed to run 1/4 mile runs as its purpose. Its a test of the car. The purpose of this car is to lap some of the best tracks on the planet as a 4 door sedan that you can then daily drive with kids in the back. Its an extremely capable lapping car, remember this car was the fastest on the ring for a short period of time for a 4 door sedan. And still there are only a few other cars out there since that would be considered quicker: Panamera, CTS-V, maybe something else?? I haven’t checked. For a 6 year old platform that to me is pretty incredible.
Look, to me running 12’s or 13’s is not spectacular. Running 11’s is not really something to go into the serious drag racing industry and brag about, when looking at the number by itself. Looking at the car that did it, then yeah thats pretty cool, but lets face it, 1/4 mile runs in an RS4 are just a measuring device within the RS4 platform. Clearly not for competition outside of that. However in lapping events, this car will compete in the hands of a good driver in its class very well.
The other issue I have with 1/4 mile runs is that there are far too many variables that can affect it, and disclosure is not always forthcoming. Which is why for me it is only a device to measure how my mods are improving the car, and how my ability to drive the 1/4 mile run havs improved. It would be stupid to use it as a point of competition without controls and validation. Lapping is a totally different animal to me because a lap lasts anywhere from 1m 30s to 3mins, and thats alot of time to factor out shifting error, launch error, and it really does start to come down to knowing the course and having the fastest or best setup car, for that specific track.
Which is why I love road racing this car. I can go out and beat a $200k GT3RS based on driving skill alone. No way that happens on a drag strip.
Yup we all agree that this car was designed for road course not drag strip…and I can drive the fam around in it on the weekend and drive it to work everyday as an Executive.
Or weather! One drop of rain and that GT3RS is not happy. Or that Camaro, or M5, or Mustang GT, etc, etc…This car is simply amazing in the nasty. And very very good in dry. But I have no illusions of it beng as good as a GT3 RS in the dry. Hell I am barely keeping with the Cayman S in the corners. Straights Cayman S and RS4 are pretty even. GT3? Lets just say it can get small in front of an RS4, really fast!
Don’t back down! I had fun pressuring them at a Porsche track day. All about entry and exit speed at Summit Point. The top end difference wasn’t enough to save them from me!
ok, so let’s agree that a car is good for whatever you as the owner want to use it for.
I wasn’t really asking a question hoping for an answer, I was more or less stating that I believe the 1/4 mile is a great comparison…especially within a platform.
I also don’t think running 12s and 13s is fast, I didn’t buy an S4 to have a fast 1/4 mile car, but when you have a platform that the fastest time is 11.9, and you run 12.8 it’s a pretty nice accomplishment. Once again, it’s a great comparison. But on the other hand, who wants a 4th gen camaro? So you run 11s all day long in the 1/4, but a million other guys in street trim run high 9s.
So lapping events, good measurement, not really, I think there are too many variables. You still have all the conditions you would have on a dragstrip, plus setup variables, driver variables.
Daytona mentions keeping up with a GT3RS, but what if that was his first track day? what if he was babying his $200k race car? You could only make direct comparisons if each car is driven on the same line, by the same driver. I can beat guys in the 1/4mile that in reality I shouldn’t be able to touch, but any type of driving takes skill.
1/4 mile is a straight line, start and finish, all you have to do is launch and shift.
Although I personally prefer driving on a road circuit, a 1/4 mile has its benefits. More controlled with less variables. On a road circuit, you don’t have the same telemetry available by default (it’s available if you have a proper computer recording everything but not available by default). On the other hand a 1/4 mile timeslip shows all the interim points along the track. So even if you’re a bad 1/4 mile driver, a proper analysis can show a car’s potential. On a road circuit, there’s just way too many factors affecting the lap time and the driver plays a huge role in that time and without detailed telemetry, it’s difficult to gauge. A bad 1/4 mile will show up in the 60 foot time and hopefully, if the car has decent power, it’ll show in the trap speed. In other words, I find it easier to compare 1/4 mile times across cars and drivers. That said, it only measures one specific thing and shouldn’t be used to measure anything else.
What the fuck???
Has anyone ever tried writing the word “be-ne-fits” here? (minus the dashes) The forum changes it automatically to benefits!
And if you type “bein-effi-cientits” (minus the dashes), it changes it to beinefficientits
haha
I do find this statement far fetched, and if the GT3RS had a bad driver it wouldn’t be impossible to beat in the 1/4 mile, they only show it being around a 12.0, I’ve seen Z06 vettes run mid 13s, so bad drivers can ruin great cars.
“All you have to do is launch and shift”
Right, thats why for me lapping is a far more intense experience. Of course there are variables, but its not going to result in an argument over what type of gas was used or how much weight you dropped for 1/10th of a second. You have a data logger. You record laptimes. Everyone is running in the same conditions, and the conditions vary all day sometimes, so advantage AWD in the morning when wet, advantage RWD high HP car in the afternoon. Unless like you said the cars was improperly setup to perform its best, or the driver was new or taking it easy, etc. Anyways the only use for 1/4 mile runs for me is to benchmark results against mods made, for future reference. If I look back, i started out at 14.2, then was 13.8, then 13.6, then 13.3, then 13.13 on a carbon free car in pretty much stock config. Then 13.0, and more importantly, the MPH, started at 103, and got to 105mph, but after carbon clean got to 106.5, then after tune got to 110, then new milder tune backed down to about 108. But I have traceability with all my runs, conditions, mods, and I can look and see what made changes and what didn’t. And I can honestly say if I dropped an A box VR tune on this car and put it in the hands of say Dan or George, who already ran a 12.29 with their cars 200lbs+ heavier than mine, they would be close to popping out a sub 12.0 on it. Why can’t I? Well one i am clearly not the best at launching the car, thats probably good for .3 seconds based on my 13.13 stock vs what others have done stock. And the tune, thats probably worth .5 seconds because I am not on a very strong one like George or Dan had. Then factor in the weight loss and other mods since I did the 13.13, like I said with the top JHM tune and Dan behind the wheel its a sub 12.0 car I think.