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Saw that… Good for the manual tranny guys… hopefully it works well and is suited for a mix of everyday driving and some track/strip days… When you getting it? 
waiting to see what APR has up there sleeve and or when this clutch i currently have blows
Well in b6 a4 and mk6 GTi land, their clutches are garbage. Inconsistent quality and pressure plate issues all the time
yea thats what i was worried about, i know a lot of ppl in the audi/vw community that hate SB just as much as they hate CM
Also, APR clutches are just rebranded southbend. They polish the turd.
I don’t understand why there’s such and issue making a good clutch for an Audi. There’s 15 different GREAT and reliable clutches for ford or GM. Including CM and SB.
well from my discussions with a few ppl, apr is building everything including a new pressure plate and not just an OEM modified one
Eh the clutch disc will likely still be outsourced. I’d believe they are manufacturing flywheels though. Doubt the pressure plates are going to be their own. They might spec the springs but my money says they are manufactured by one of the big guys.
Yes because comparing domestic parts availability is relevant lol
Look at your old car. There was one good clutch. One.
Same guys make a b8 clutch and lwfw too but everyone’s scared to try it.
Why scared? Isn’t it the same design as the tried and trusted B6/7 version? I can’t find the post but I thought jbones had commented on the design of the JHM one. Or have I got my wires crossed?
i havent ruled them out whatsoever just waiting now as it seems more options are coming out
My point wasn’t the number of options available.
Just that there were 15 companies that managed to all be able to get it right and turn out a good product, no lemons in the bunch. Then you look at say the B6 S4 and there are what? 5 clutch options? And only 1 of them is good. My question is, WHY is it so much harder to make a good, reliable clutch for an Audi.
The other odd thing is that a few of those companies, including Spec, Southbend, and Clutchmasters all make a solid offering for the Domestic car, but their German application clutches flat out suck. I just don’t understand WHY that is. What is so hard that these huge companies can’t figure out that the 10 man team at JHM could
My thread was about the clutchmasters and DXD clutch kits that both reuse the heavy factory flywheel. Trust me I tried to get my friend a JHM setup but it didn’t happen and I think he would have kept the car.
It is interesting that this new kit comes with a light weight flywheel but I think the clutch will still suck.
looks like an old bmw pressre plate. No self adjuster. budjet performance with only a little more clamp load on the stock B8 S4 I would have to guess. I don’t know the clamp load on the b8 S4 but that looks to be about 90% just a oem bmw pressure plate.
very valid question then, sorry.
It is definitely fucking weird.
Also, fixed.
I see what your saying with domestic cars having a lot more options when it comes to a reliable and durable clutch solution however I think the reasons why we don’t have one is more the car itself rather than the clutch companies.
When you launch a Mustang, Corvette or Camaro the tires are taking the beating because they’re getting tire spin rather than the clutch taking the beating in our heavy all wheel drive cars with crazy good traction…
Also a big part of having a good experience with an after market clutch has to do with a lot of different variables… One being the break in period and the other being that these clutches wear more excessively in daily driving situations and aren’t really made to last long rather just offer great performance for a short period of time… Most people put 500 miles on their new clutch and start to go WOT, launch etc… However the majority of the time these are highway miles which are useless in break in… You need ATLEAST 500 miles of stop and go to break in a clutch properly.
Interesting theory. It’s easy to overcome traction on a RWD car, but a bit tougher on an AWD Audi.
^^^ do the EVO and Subaru guys have clutch troubles? Being other similarly AWD high power cars. Not a world I ever venture over into, so I have no idea.
I have a buddy with an Evo X who’s stock clutch started slipping at 9k miles… I know that the stock clutches on Evo X’s suck… I’m not too sure about their aftermarket solutions. I do know that they blow transfer cases like its going out of style and mess up tranny’s very often… That’s also due to the brutal all wheel drive launches that put so much stress on axles, trans, clutch and transfer case…
^^^you and your dad going to hit up ATCO or some dragstrip in February? Drag Tsivas along with you. Kidnap him. Or just go get his car.
Would be interesting to see GIAC vs. REVO. Or GIAC stage 2. Is that pulley still happening?
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Yeah, when they get enough supply from the pulley company… ROTFLMAO… That is the latest excuse but paperish seems to know differently but isn’t talking… That is the most bogus excuse ever… How many could they really need to launch the product, 100 or so… My brother at his small machine shop could CNC and have coated 100 pulleys by the end of next week… They brought up the pulley being almost done March of last year… So paperish what’s the real issue??? Tuning maybe???