Sakimano, I believe much of that to be true. I after more research have found that the compressure and exhaust design of the turbos are part of the issue. While they perform well at higher boost apps that seems to be the only way to make up for what seems to be a large amount of lag when its needed.
1/8 mile time for a tial 770 car
8.2 @ 96
So basically he was on his way to a 12.3-12.5 @ 122 or so. Running 50/50 meth at 29 psi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gub7V2sH45I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
These cars really seen to be slow until about 6000 in third gear. And by slow I am using a relative term…i.e. Relative to what we expect from a 500-600 whp car.
For perspective, look at his 1/8 elapsed time…he is dead even with my stock RS4 after half the track even though he is making double the power (he said 600 whp) and weighs 300 lbs less. His mph is starting to rock though at 96 vs my 85. He is into forth gear at this point and flying…but the car digs it self such a huge hole in the first two or three gears. This was his personal record by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gub7V2sH45I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Regarding spool/lag, I’ve looked over any logs I could get my hands on over the years, and spool for the 605 and OEM full RS6’s are pretty similar (the lag difference between K04’s and RS6’s is likely larger than the lag difference between RS6’s and 605’s). I haven’t seen any logs for the RS6-R’s yet, so I can’t comment regarding them either way.
Just thought I’d throw that out there, since you actually have a B5 and are looking for turbos rather than just having an academic discussion. Good luck with whatever you end up with!
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I know this might be sackreligous but logs have been the down fall of the B5. To say a Rs6 turbo and a 605 turbo have the same boost and same profile only seems to be true on logs. In real world apps. Its appears that the logs just like anything else have been a product of someone working to do there best to make something look better then it is. Im going to hook up with a local guy (ill ask his name or user name) he has 605s tuned by EPL Im going to see how I feel about a in car ride.
This will get interesting…
[quote]… After several rounds of tuning with our good friends at European Performance Labs (EPL)…
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[quote]Furthermore this avant was in no way shape or form to be built as a dyno queen, we will be upgrading and replacing all of the drivetrain components to allow this S4 to be extensively abused at the track with no worry of braking components.
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‘the track’…i.e. at HPDE days? Further, did you see where they said this?
[quote]Next on the to-do list will be an complete OEM RS4 body conversion all in an effort to fit 10+ inch width wheels to enhance our traction abilities
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In other words don’t expect to see any testing of the car anytime soon, sadly.
I think this is pretty sad…
[quote=RS WORX]After hundreds of man hours put into both building and refining our very own Worx Wagon, yesterday all of our work finally paid off. After several rounds of tuning with our good friends at European Performance Labs (EPL) testing & tuning new modifications our efforts proved fruitful. We were able to extract 740 all wheel horsepower from our S4 on VP MS109 fuel.
We are happy to announce that we have now built the MOST powerful 2.7T equipped Tial 770 Audi in existance.
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Shit like this is funny. Their ‘accomplishment’ is a dyno result. On their dyno. Their ‘payoff’ is a dyno sheet. Their accompishment is a piece of paper. The ‘most powerful’ title is a dyno title.
What the fuck happened to the Audi performance car world where we all worship paper printouts instead of actually going fast???
Yes, yes it will. I have already gone through an argument with one of the Winter Mode guys about the car:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/394176-Winter-Mode/page417
I just stated that I’d like to see some times since the Tials can’t seem to back up their dyno sheets. Yet again I am back in the argument with “kneel” one of your stgIII big turbo A4 guys of DYNO vs. 1/4 MILE.
I still can’t see how people can totally refute the 1/4 mile. He has no said that “it is just for race car drivers” and “I can say my car is fast and try to prove on a track…yet i have no knowledge of how to. Its all in the driver…”. People are determined that doing well on the track is 100% up to the driver and that it has no use for measuring performance.
I believe that you should not go by one thing at all. Look at Top Gear, they list hp #'s, but they also do drag races and laps around their track. This tells you HP#, straight line speed, and whether a car that is slower on the straights can make up for it with cornering speed.
^^^No other performance car community in the world ignores the quarter mile. NONE.
It is JUST Audi.
I can’t wait to see this EPL tuned ‘monster’ run 11.8 @ 132.
Really?
I mean I can see Mitsu and maybe Subi drivers going to the drag strip, but I can’t really imagine BMW, Acura, Merc guys going. Yes the real performance guys will go but I’m thinking of the 40-60 year old guys who drive their 5 or 7 series or C Class taking their cars to the strip. However I can imagine them spending the money on performance stuff just cause the guy at the local euro shop told him it will give him MAD POWER YO
I think you need to visit the other forums then. They all value quarter mile times…and none of them rebel against them the way these Audi faggots do. Ironically you’d assume the AWD platforms are 1/4 mile friendly right? Nope…not Audi. We’re the most terrified of the quarter mile. AMG ? 1/4 mile. MOPAR, FORD, GM? 1/4 mile. GTR? 1/4 mile (check the cover story on NAGTROC).
I really hate seeing little poncy pussies denounce actual performance testing of PERFORMANCE parts. Who gives a fuck about the dyno…seriously.
Want to know something crazy? The APR RS4 Supercharger kit with the APR original tune dyno’d 420 whp, then ran high 12s @ 108ish MPH as we all know. We have stock RS4s that dyno 320 whp that run that. There’s 100 whp on the dyno that produced, as near as makes no difference, zero acceleration gains. ZERO.
When Count Vohn showed the APR engineers what was wrong with their tune and what to change, they loaded a modified file on a car in Alabama, and went 11.8 @ 116. A whole second faster…8 MPH gained. Want to know how much the difference was on the APR dyno between the two files?
Six whp. (6).
There’s a HUGE difference between tuning for the dyno and tuning for acceleration.
If you make 420 whp on the dyno…but on the road you’re 320 whp fast, what good is the dyno sheet? Are you going to bring it to races when you lose and say WAIT A MINUTE…NOPE…I MAKE 420 WHP…THEREFORE I SHOULD HAVE WON.
If your 600 whp Tial car is MONSTER fast in a single pull in 4th gear when you’re in boost (Tials favorite test…and make no mistake, those cars in 4th gear on the highway are ridiculously fast) goes up against a 400 whp car from a dig to the top of 4th gear and LOSES…again, what’s the point? Are you going to say ‘WAIT A MINUTE…NOPE…WE HAVE TO START AT 90 MPH AND GO TO 120 MPH AND WE CAN’T CHANGE GEARS’.
In this instance, I agree with trying to push them to go to the drag strip, as it is a shop car, and obviously out to make claims.
If this were a customer’s car, I’d say to the guy whose car it is, go to the track if you want, don’t go to the track if you don’t care about it. Enjoy it however you enjoy it most.
This is different though, and this, like the 034 single turbo shop car, is a shop car purpose built to showcase their abilities, and it should definitely make it a priority to make a no-excuses trip to the drag strip.
True that. There are some local big turbo VR6 Jetta guys round here. There is a local dyno but no one goes. It’s all about the 1/4 mile. $30 in and the big builds get to set their times but the fun part is everyone can come out in their rusted out mk2/3’s (I think a Tercel ran as well) and have a blast running 16’s. No one is going to a dyno day paying $100 in their rusty Golf and having fun.
The “fake” car guys at work ask how many hp I’ve got. The real car nuts are more impressed at the quarter mile time.
In other words don’t expect to see any testing of the car anytime soon, sadly.
I think this is pretty sad…
[quote=RS WORX]After hundreds of man hours put into both building and refining our very own Worx Wagon, yesterday all of our work finally paid off. After several rounds of tuning with our good friends at European Performance Labs (EPL) testing & tuning new modifications our efforts proved fruitful. We were able to extract 740 all wheel horsepower from our S4 on VP MS109 fuel.
We are happy to announce that we have now built the MOST powerful 2.7T equipped Tial 770 Audi in existance.
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Shit like this is funny. Their ‘accomplishment’ is a dyno result. On their dyno. Their ‘payoff’ is a dyno sheet. Their accompishment is a piece of paper. The ‘most powerful’ title is a dyno title.
What the fuck happened to the Audi performance car world where we all worship paper printouts instead of actually going fast???
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I’ll be honest I don’t know anything about that company, but one could hope they’ll hit the strip. However, as you pointed, I’m not holding my breath as they have the body kit and drive train projects ahead of them. Years ago when I was heavier into the performance aspect I can think of 1, maybe 2, people in the central region of our groups that ever got their car dyno’d. The vendors, then, would have that data; dyno delta from said part vs baseline and timeslips of the difference. It does seem the shift is over to marketing. (edit: or should I say the marketing is handled differently)
Well, I hope the tune EPL did with the RS Worx car was approached differently.
^^^that was an interesting read. I get it that some people can be intimidated by venturing the unknown territory (1/4 mile), but some of those people put entirely too much pressure on themselves. The kicker about the 1/4 mile…getting better on the track only makes that individual more formidable on the street; there aren’t distractions at the track once in motion (unless severely ADHD) which I see as valuable time to understand my vehicles that much more. All tracks have different staging preps and the same track can differ from day to day. Understanding how the car grips to different surfaces just improves the launching know-how.
Whenever I get my car running I’ll look to dyno as a baseline for future upgrades and those papers will get filed away just as any document.
I certainly agree there is no mandate to track the car. It’s only when the question arises and x amount of excuses come out that it becomes something of discussion. As I mentioned none of us ever really cared to dyno, but as far as I remember there were no excuses; we just didn’t. We also had some that didn’t care to dyno or track it, they just wanted a ‘fast’ setup. I think to each his own, but for me I’d want to know if that setup was doing what it was suppose to.
As for the 034 single turbo car, I believe it’s a slightly different situation. That car is Max’s personal daily driver. I believe he gets a damn good discount with the parts, tuning, etc., but I don’t think it gets the attention if it were truly a dedicated shop car.
I think we all agree there 100%. I have NEVER called someone out for their mods.
HOWEVER
if a customer comes out talking all kinds of smack, pumping his shit, promoting the product with claims that have not been proven in any way…and when their tuner of choice is challenged and those customers decide to then step in and fight the tuners battle…well that’s when they make themselves a proxy for said tuner, and frankly they shouldn’t complain.
Saki, you called me a joke in another thread. In this thtead, I’m going to call you a smart ass. I’m pretty sure RS Worx had a track rental on June 22 2012 at Englishtown. Saki, I really do think that you are intelligent, so can you give it your best shot and try to find out if this yellow wagon put down a time while at their track rental. I find it odd that they never posted anything about the results of the rental. They denied me from attending , even after I offered to pay to participate. I wanted to run my car against any one of their s4’s, but I believe the owner denied me the privilege. I didn’t care if I won, or lost. I just wanted to run my car and see how well their cars performed.
If they had a track rental I would bet anything they either ran poorly or didn’t run. We would have heard about it if it was a good result.
Anyway that thread on AZ is about to get interesting thanks to Tony.
[QUOTE=AielloS4;8089675]“The MOST powerful tial 770 built audi s4 2.7t”
Yet a certain yellow wagon was nowhere to be found when a certain someone was talking all kinds of s*** at Waterfest…
The nogaro 770 S4 was ready to run the MOST powerful 770 car but someone got lost that night or should i say backed down with excuses.
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Maybe they were worried about one of the members of your entourage shooting someone.
Let me help you out Sir, because I’m really starting to think that you are a retard. It is obvious that you like to start trouble. I never said anything about a gun, so please stop with your crap, because you are really starting to smell like a bloody tampax.
I approached Justin and tried to make peace with him because his car was not performing well at the track. And To be honest, I was saddened by his terrible accident that almost killed him. The guy wanted to fight me, even after I told him that I wanted to stop bickering over frivolous nonsense. I told him that I didn’t want to fight. It didn’t mean that I was scared of him. I just didn’t understand why he is trying to fight with me and everyone he has a problem with, when he should be focused more in his health.
You on the other hand seem to be driven by stirring up problems with people to make you feel good about yourself and your single turbo that took you 4 years to build. By the way, I’m pretty sure it is broke now and probably on the operating table, getting stitched back together. I’m not scared of any one man. I just don’t agree with fighting a person every time we have a disagreement. It obvious that Justin has some anger issues, but you, I think you are just a retard.
Also, what a$$hole lets their girl ride with them, while running their car down the track? I’ve never seen anything so idiotic in my life, until you showed the world that putting your loved ones life in danger was as natural to you as waking up every morning and putting on your helmet before going outside and trying to mingle with the regular people.
Faw you said your friend’s had guns in their pockets. Fail.
FOCYS
Dude, stop proving what Jibberjive said about you to be right. please prove that I said my friends had guns in their pockets, because I truly do not recall those words coming out of my head. I believe you interpreted what I really said into what your brain wanted you to believe. You are beginning to look pathetic in your search to make others look bad.