So now they are talking about updates to the CW software? Wtf? So it was not setup correct to begin with?
As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.
Wait are you talking about the updates APR posted about today or CW???
[QUOTE=B8 S4;10697679]Yes more details on the engine tune update also, is it for stage 1 or stage 2?
Looking forward to the release of this update and TCU!
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[QUOTE=Sean@APR;10698401]Update is for both and for all varieties of b8 and b8.5. Same with the DSG release.
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Come on guys. Without updates we would have Revo still blowing motors and GIAC still making stock power on their facelift cars. Lets try not to be biased here and now be saying CW is crazy for offering a free update, lol.
Mike
CW obviously. Ok clearly you were being facetious. So you equate an update of the apr flash to “updating” this sensor spoof curve?
Oh ok. Well for the CW update I have the updated Pro unit. I tested it versus the S model I have before I have to send one back for a return and they log out pretty much the same (assuming minor variances from run to run). Its stated that he tweaked the map to come on sooner and end later but in reality the curve already comes on before you are into the boost so I dont know what it will do.
The CW guy said it will “give more power under the curve” but since Retell and I are making gains all the way down to 3000rpm and likely below I dont know how much improvment people can expect. I didnt notice a big difference. Maybe others will.
As for the APR updates that they announced today, I am not sure what issues they will address.
Mike
Did you really just ask me if I am equating an update with an update? Lol. Umm…well…yes I assume both parties are offering an update in order to…umm…you know UPDATE or perhaps IMPROVE their product?
Mike
I’m sure the whole existing vendor thing has something to do with it (Vendorzine anyone?)
I get the impression European90 is probably more of a software engineer that has done these basic “maps” on 1000’s of cars. I think his lack of sharpness comes from a combination of that, and language barriers. I’ve worked with a lot of SW engineers from Romania, Turkey, etc., and they all come across about like that. Not saying that as a good or bad thing; it’s just hard to get a full read on someone when there is a language barrier (I can’t communicate more than maybe 10 words in a language other than English, so…).
Ok with that comment I’m convinced you don’t really understand why these approaches are different and are stuck in a race to the bottom “different way to skin a cat” mindset. I’m gonna check out of this debate because I really don’t care anymore.
He is very stubborn, as most of the people on audizine are today. On a side note, what has happened to vendorzine? A year ago chipwerke would have been DESTROYED on the forum, obviously being a bad tuning choice. Now people are very quick to jump on it, because it is cheap? Maybe our cars are getting older so cheaper people are buying them used. They make MPG claims too on their website and support 4000 cars. I’m sure they have spent as much as APR on their ‘update’. :
are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver
Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.
Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?
This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…
He didn’t get a free pro unit, he bought one to compare and is going to return one of them. His logs are showing him that they pretty much perform identically and the metal case on the pro gets really warm so he was thinking he would most likely return the pro.
From what I’ve seen, the black box model everyone is considering has input of $$ and output of power/timing/drives “well”. That is the degree of intellectual thought. Every argument is made to support your world view.
No it’s not Mike…it’s a guy from Turkey who has broken English and usually posts in the AZ thread in the AM in EST. The way he talks makes him seem like the guy who is making the devices or calibrating them. He is the one who announced the “update”.
not sure what part of my post you missed, but he didn’t mention this other purchase yesterday. Here, let me help you.
this was hours ago. Wouldn’t he mention the multiple purchases? Sure he would…if they had actually happened.
When you’re making shit up, it’s easy to forget what you have said. Easier to tell the truth…because there’s only one story.
Nice catch, just when everyone was finished questioning his authenticity. I wonder why he won’t reply here and admit the truth
Hi there,
I think you are talking about me. I am on this thread you know. It’s totally fine to have the character to ask me the question directly. It seems like you have a question about how I got the Pro unit. Is this the case? What would you like to know?
Thanks,
Mike
This was something I was thinking as well. It’s a spoof box as you called it. So they added more spoof. LOL. I wonder how that meeting went. Oh hey we can fool the car more. Update the chipmunk in the box.
Did we ever get a real explanation of what exactly if getting blocked from going into the ecu. Also do they have a test car or are most the gullible cheap guys becoming that.
The only thing that gets altered is the MAP value. The programing/update would only change when and how much resistance is used to alter the signal. From what I can tell, that is the only function of the processor in this application. Some applications appear to have more function (not a lot, but more than just MAP).
Did anyone look inside this box already? Sorry if I missed this post. But it could as well be a bunch of resistors nothing more to it. Can anyone show a picture of the board for us here or a link to it?
It’s pretty much the same concept, but they can tailor when the resistance change starts, stops, and how much at various points.
just post the picture. Easy.
Ok this is all great. Where is the said microprocessor though? It would be great to see how this board is wired if anything more just resistors and rotary switches. Perhaps even a shot from the bottom of this board.
The reason why I ask that is: they mentioned above CW is providing a new upgrade to it. All good. But where is said microprocessor to have its coding upgraded if there isn’t even a way to connect to it? Through the serial that the sensors connect to? Ok… Did the box originally came with a usb-25pin serial adapter?
Do we even know if there any sort of processing in there? Or just resistors connected to the rotary switches.
That would say tons of if this Box was even originally designed with any upgrade ability in mind.
Just do a quick google search:
Ecu piggyback board and every single ecu manipulation board looks 10x more elaborate than that.
Shit even the CDI on my 2 stroke yz250 looks more elaborate than that.
It’s the only reason why I look at this product and frown. It might work, but in no way I believe that’s safe, reliable and of quality.