Piggy back goes oink oink...

[jran76]

So now they are talking about updates to the CW software? Wtf? So it was not setup correct to begin with?

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

I’m sure the whole existing vendor thing has something to do with it (Vendorzine anyone?)

I get the impression European90 is probably more of a software engineer that has done these basic “maps” on 1000’s of cars. I think his lack of sharpness comes from a combination of that, and language barriers. I’ve worked with a lot of SW engineers from Romania, Turkey, etc., and they all come across about like that. Not saying that as a good or bad thing; it’s just hard to get a full read on someone when there is a language barrier (I can’t communicate more than maybe 10 words in a language other than English, so…).

[drob23]

Ok with that comment I’m convinced you don’t really understand why these approaches are different and are stuck in a race to the bottom “different way to skin a cat” mindset. I’m gonna check out of this debate because I really don’t care anymore.

[danavon7]

Ok with that comment I’m convinced you don’t really understand why these approaches are different and are stuck in a race to the bottom “different way to skin a cat” mindset. I’m gonna check out of this debate because I really don’t care anymore.

He is very stubborn, as most of the people on audizine are today. On a side note, what has happened to vendorzine? A year ago chipwerke would have been DESTROYED on the forum, obviously being a bad tuning choice. Now people are very quick to jump on it, because it is cheap? Maybe our cars are getting older so cheaper people are buying them used. They make MPG claims too on their website and support 4000 cars. I’m sure they have spent as much as APR on their ‘update’. :

[sakimano]

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

[Astropin]

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

He didn’t get a free pro unit, he bought one to compare and is going to return one of them. His logs are showing him that they pretty much perform identically and the metal case on the pro gets really warm so he was thinking he would most likely return the pro.

[drob23]

Ok with that comment I’m convinced you don’t really understand why these approaches are different and are stuck in a race to the bottom “different way to skin a cat” mindset. I’m gonna check out of this debate because I really don’t care anymore.

He is very stubborn, as most of the people on audizine are today. On a side note, what has happened to vendorzine? A year ago chipwerke would have been DESTROYED on the forum, obviously being a bad tuning choice. Now people are very quick to jump on it, because it is cheap? Maybe our cars are getting older so cheaper people are buying them used. They make MPG claims too on their website and support 4000 cars. I’m sure they have spent as much as APR on their ‘update’. :

From what I’ve seen, the black box model everyone is considering has input of $$ and output of power/timing/drives “well”. That is the degree of intellectual thought. Every argument is made to support your world view.

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

No it’s not Mike…it’s a guy from Turkey who has broken English and usually posts in the AZ thread in the AM in EST. The way he talks makes him seem like the guy who is making the devices or calibrating them. He is the one who announced the “update”.

[sakimano]

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

He didn’t get a free pro unit, he bought one to compare and is going to return one of them. His logs are showing him that they pretty much perform identically and the metal case on the pro gets really warm so he was thinking he would most likely return the pro.

not sure what part of my post you missed, but he didn’t mention this other purchase yesterday. Here, let me help you.

4. I paid more than the audizine people paid. I paid the MSRP of $349 and after the people at audizine contacted the seller they negotiated a $50 discount for themselves.
   Mike

this was hours ago. Wouldn’t he mention the multiple purchases? Sure he would…if they had actually happened.

When you’re making shit up, it’s easy to forget what you have said. Easier to tell the truth…because there’s only one story.

[danavon7]

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

He didn’t get a free pro unit, he bought one to compare and is going to return one of them. His logs are showing him that they pretty much perform identically and the metal case on the pro gets really warm so he was thinking he would most likely return the pro.

not sure what part of my post you missed, but he didn’t mention this other purchase yesterday. Here, let me help you.

4. I paid more than the audizine people paid. I paid the MSRP of $349 and after the people at audizine contacted the seller they negotiated a $50 discount for themselves.
   Mike

this was hours ago. Wouldn’t he mention the multiple purchases? Sure he would…if they had actually happened.

When you’re making shit up, it’s easy to forget what you have said. Easier to tell the truth…because there’s only one story.

Nice catch, just when everyone was finished questioning his authenticity. I wonder why he won’t reply here and admit the truth

[bhvrdr]

As a side show, it’s funny how the CW vendor can’t get the AZ moderators to listen to his request to become an official paying vendor. Maybe will eat into other vendors profit?? Interesting politics if that’s the case…The guy doesn’t seem very sharp though, so maybe he’s screwing up.

are you referring to Mike bhvrdr or whatever it is? Always makes me think of beaverdiver

Interesting how he has vanished once a few hard questions were asked.

Also interesting that he said the other day he paid $349 for the basic unit (more than AZ members he claimed), but now he has received an updated pro unit that he didn’t mention. I guess everyone who bought the basic unit can expect to receive a free, updated pro unit? Or is that just for people who are affiliated with promoting the company?

This guy is struggling to keep his story straight…

He didn’t get a free pro unit, he bought one to compare and is going to return one of them. His logs are showing him that they pretty much perform identically and the metal case on the pro gets really warm so he was thinking he would most likely return the pro.

not sure what part of my post you missed, but he didn’t mention this other purchase yesterday. Here, let me help you.

4. I paid more than the audizine people paid. I paid the MSRP of $349 and after the people at audizine contacted the seller they negotiated a $50 discount for themselves.
   Mike

this was hours ago. Wouldn’t he mention the multiple purchases? Sure he would…if they had actually happened.

When you’re making shit up, it’s easy to forget what you have said. Easier to tell the truth…because there’s only one story.

Hi there,

I think you are talking about me. I am on this thread you know. It’s totally fine to have the character to ask me the question directly. It seems like you have a question about how I got the Pro unit. Is this the case? What would you like to know?

Thanks,
Mike

[justincredible]

So now they are talking about updates to the CW software? Wtf? So it was not setup correct to begin with?

This was something I was thinking as well. It’s a spoof box as you called it. So they added more spoof. LOL. I wonder how that meeting went. Oh hey we can fool the car more. Update the chipmunk in the box.

Did we ever get a real explanation of what exactly if getting blocked from going into the ecu. Also do they have a test car or are most the gullible cheap guys becoming that.

[jran76]

So now they are talking about updates to the CW software? Wtf? So it was not setup correct to begin with?

This was something I was thinking as well. It’s a spoof box as you called it. So they added more spoof. LOL. I wonder how that meeting went. Oh hey we can fool the car more. Update the chipmunk in the box.

Did we ever get a real explanation of what exactly if getting blocked from going into the ecu. Also do they have a test car or are most the gullible cheap guys becoming that.

The only thing that gets altered is the MAP value. The programing/update would only change when and how much resistance is used to alter the signal. From what I can tell, that is the only function of the processor in this application. Some applications appear to have more function (not a lot, but more than just MAP).

[beringela001]

Did anyone look inside this box already? Sorry if I missed this post. But it could as well be a bunch of resistors nothing more to it. Can anyone show a picture of the board for us here or a link to it?

[jran76]

Did anyone look inside this box already? Sorry if I missed this post. But it could as well be a bunch of resistors nothing more to it. Can anyone show a picture of the board for us here or a link to it?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/645409-B8-5-S4-stock-versus-APR-Stage-1-tune-versus-Chipwerke-piggy-back?p=10697624&viewfull=1#post10697624

It’s pretty much the same concept, but they can tailor when the resistance change starts, stops, and how much at various points.

[sakimano]

Did anyone look inside this box already? Sorry if I missed this post. But it could as well be a bunch of resistors nothing more to it. Can anyone show a picture of the board for us here or a link to it?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/645409-B8-5-S4-stock-versus-APR-Stage-1-tune-versus-Chipwerke-piggy-back?p=10697624&viewfull=1#post10697624

It’s pretty much the same concept, but they can tailor when the resistance change starts, stops, and how much at various points.

just post the picture. Easy.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zcJ3dPEBYNI/VUAUbLRBxFI/AAAAAAAABaE/P36_LVtXnW4/w935-h701-no/IMG_20150428_161446.jpg

[beringela001]

Ok this is all great. Where is the said microprocessor though? It would be great to see how this board is wired if anything more just resistors and rotary switches. Perhaps even a shot from the bottom of this board.

The reason why I ask that is: they mentioned above CW is providing a new upgrade to it. All good. But where is said microprocessor to have its coding upgraded if there isn’t even a way to connect to it? Through the serial that the sensors connect to? Ok… Did the box originally came with a usb-25pin serial adapter?

Do we even know if there any sort of processing in there? Or just resistors connected to the rotary switches.

That would say tons of if this Box was even originally designed with any upgrade ability in mind.

Just do a quick google search:

Ecu piggyback board and every single ecu manipulation board looks 10x more elaborate than that.
Shit even the CDI on my 2 stroke yz250 looks more elaborate than that.

It’s the only reason why I look at this product and frown. It might work, but in no way I believe that’s safe, reliable and of quality.

[beringela001]

^^^ and please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not close minded about it, but this product, until now, did not provide me with any security like a tune would.

[drob23]

Ok this is all great. Where is the said microprocessor though? It would be great to see how this board is wired if anything more just resistors and rotary switches. Perhaps even a shot from the bottom of this board.

The reason why I ask that is: they mentioned above CW is providing a new upgrade to it. All good. But where is said microprocessor to have its coding upgraded if there isn’t even a way to connect to it? Through the serial that the sensors connect to? Ok… Did the box originally came with a usb-25pin serial adapter?

Do we even know if there any sort of processing in there? Or just resistors connected to the rotary switches.

That would say tons of if this Box was even originally designed with any upgrade ability in mind.

Just do a quick google search:

Ecu piggyback board and every single ecu manipulation board looks 10x more elaborate than that.
Shit even the CDI on my 2 stroke yz250 looks more elaborate than that.

It’s the only reason why I look at this product and frown. It might work, but in no way I believe that’s safe, reliable and of quality.

It’s impossible to make the voltage map circuit like cw out of just resistors. You would need elements like diodes or transistors to add in those nonlinearities. But a microprocessor would be easy, could use a PIC or arduino or rasp pi. I’m assuming this is what it is.

But LOL at an “update” to that voltage map. Sounds to me like a ploy to keep those guys with car running bad outside of the 30 day return window. Also funny how the thing can be “resold”…which is only true if the community still believes this thing is worth anything…hint: it’s not worth dick. Jb4 is on a whole other level.

[sakimano]

where’s the salesman?

[beringela001]

Ok this is all great. Where is the said microprocessor though? It would be great to see how this board is wired if anything more just resistors and rotary switches. Perhaps even a shot from the bottom of this board.

The reason why I ask that is: they mentioned above CW is providing a new upgrade to it. All good. But where is said microprocessor to have its coding upgraded if there isn’t even a way to connect to it? Through the serial that the sensors connect to? Ok… Did the box originally came with a usb-25pin serial adapter?

Do we even know if there any sort of processing in there? Or just resistors connected to the rotary switches.

That would say tons of if this Box was even originally designed with any upgrade ability in mind.

Just do a quick google search:

Ecu piggyback board and every single ecu manipulation board looks 10x more elaborate than that.
Shit even the CDI on my 2 stroke yz250 looks more elaborate than that.

It’s the only reason why I look at this product and frown. It might work, but in no way I believe that’s safe, reliable and of quality.

It’s impossible to make the voltage map circuit like cw out of just resistors. You would need elements like diodes or transistors to add in those nonlinearities. But a microprocessor would be easy, could use a PIC or arduino or rasp pi. I’m assuming this is what it is.

But LOL at an “update” to that voltage map. Sounds to me like a ploy to keep those guys with car running bad outside of the 30 day return window. Also funny how the thing can be “resold”…which is only true if the community still believes this thing is worth anything…hint: it’s not worth dick. Jb4 is on a whole other level.

Agreed drob but even a arduino or rasp pi boards are 10x more elaborate than that.

Even if it’s just a little pic chip - what will they do? Hey here is a chip, pop your board and remove it from its socket and slide this new one upgraded in?

Hmmmm…

I’m no electronics expert but I grew up in a family of computer engineers and even a small crossover board I had my brother create for my sound system had more to it that that. Yes different applications but same concept no? Separating signals and changing its Outputs…
Idk man I’m a humble photographer with minimal experience in electronic boards and what not. Just I really can’t believe that’s anything so wonderful like the salesman keeps repeating itself.

[drob23]

Ok this is all great. Where is the said microprocessor though? It would be great to see how this board is wired if anything more just resistors and rotary switches. Perhaps even a shot from the bottom of this board.

The reason why I ask that is: they mentioned above CW is providing a new upgrade to it. All good. But where is said microprocessor to have its coding upgraded if there isn’t even a way to connect to it? Through the serial that the sensors connect to? Ok… Did the box originally came with a usb-25pin serial adapter?

Do we even know if there any sort of processing in there? Or just resistors connected to the rotary switches.

That would say tons of if this Box was even originally designed with any upgrade ability in mind.

Just do a quick google search:

Ecu piggyback board and every single ecu manipulation board looks 10x more elaborate than that.
Shit even the CDI on my 2 stroke yz250 looks more elaborate than that.

It’s the only reason why I look at this product and frown. It might work, but in no way I believe that’s safe, reliable and of quality.

It’s impossible to make the voltage map circuit like cw out of just resistors. You would need elements like diodes or transistors to add in those nonlinearities. But a microprocessor would be easy, could use a PIC or arduino or rasp pi. I’m assuming this is what it is.

But LOL at an “update” to that voltage map. Sounds to me like a ploy to keep those guys with car running bad outside of the 30 day return window. Also funny how the thing can be “resold”…which is only true if the community still believes this thing is worth anything…hint: it’s not worth dick. Jb4 is on a whole other level.

Agreed drob but even a arduino or rasp pi boards are 10x more elaborate than that.

Even if it’s just a little pic chip - what will they do? Hey here is a chip, pop your board and remove it from its socket and slide this new one upgraded in?

Hmmmm…

I’m no electronics expert but I grew up in a family of computer engineers and even a small crossover board I had my brother create for my sound system had more to it that that. Yes different applications but same concept no? Separating signals and changing its Outputs…
Idk man I’m a humble photographer with minimal experience in electronic boards and what not. Just I really can’t believe that’s anything so wonderful like the salesman keeps repeating itself.

Absolutely agree, I was just saying it would be easier to make the voltage-to-voltage map using software rather than electronics. The resistor pots and jumper pins could change settings in the microcontroller.

Issuing an update in this case would just be changing some table values in memory. My guess is you just swap a small chip…similar to updating a p3 gauge.

The audio stuff is interesting, usually taking place at higher frequencies and maybe your ear could be sensitive to the dsp. I think this application shouldn’t really care about bandwidth since this map signal can only change so fast.