POLL: Drag slicks and seat/exhaust removal...do we want these times on the list?

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#21

so if I bought a set of nitto nt555r or mickey Thompson et street radials my times would be disqualified from the list? ive owned both those tires and they are sticky as shit. ive seen rwd cars lift the front tires with those tires on so ya I would say they are a slick however they are dot legal and I have owned both and daily driven on both. so I would then have to lug a set of wheels that would qualify? I think any dot tire that u drive your car on everyday is fine. if u switch wheels for the track… not fine. I think the tire debate is kind of splitting hairs anyway because we all have Quattro and honestly once you are doing 1.5/6 60 ft times u aren’t going to go a whole lot faster. it would be interesting to see the same car in the same conditions run on say a Michelin pilot ss and then switch to the tires mentioned above and see if they get any faster my bet would be no especially if the track is prepped well. anyone can rocket out of the hole with Quattro and lots of track prep.

my next set of tires will be Michelin pss. they are fairly sticky, capable in the rain and theyre light, I think the weight savings is more benificial then stickier compound.

#22

I can test that in the Spring. In my basement I have some Enkei 18x8 RPF1s with 235/40/18 Michelin sport cup tires. My normal wheels and tires are the Advan TC3 18x9 wheels and 265/35/18 Michelin SS tires. There is like a three pound weight difference per wheel/tire combo tgough.

#23

I think so. Those are slicks. They aren’t street tires. Sure you can drive on the street with them. You can also drive on the wheels with no tires. Is that representative of anything we care about?

How about the fact that some stations sell race gas that comes out of a pump that’s right beside the 91 and 93. Does that mean it is also pump gas? Technically it’s from a pump.

As for slicks vs. street tires, it’s good for 1 or 2 tenths at the strip. That’s the difference between a record or a 10th place time on most platforms. That’s gigantic. So I don’t think it’s not a big deal because of quattro.

You have a supercharged RS4. Your best 60’ time was what…1.68? APR went 1.50 off the launch with slicks on their customer’s RS4.

#24

I don’t think you can eliminate street legal radials, as that is something you can obviously use daily, legally. It would just be considered an upgrade, like lightweight rotors or lightweight wheels which everyone can do.

#25

What do lw rotors have to do with anything? We’re talking about tires. Not sure why people are getting so confused. Are lw rotors useless on the street? Of course not. Are slicks useless on the street and clearly a single purpose tire? ABSOLUTELY.

Is this a street tire, or a slick?

https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/et_street_radial_pro.jpg

Because by your definition it ‘should qualify’ but in reality, it’s a slick and is irrelevant.

We can all play games with the rules. As was mentioned above, if you want to go by what is street legal, Jake EVERY SINGLE JHM RECORD EVER including ALL of your 2.0T times will be removed from the list. Why? because not one of those times was street legal. They’re all running modified exhausts and mostly are catless, and are thus illegal. So out they go.

Same goes with 95% of the times we have because the cars were running street ILLEGAL parts/non certified modifications.

This is my point. If you want to use some poorly defined law, you will end up with shitty information. Basically the ‘street legal slicks’ are slicks, and if we’re trying to have a list that focuses on real times for real cars, we’re allowing ourselves to be fooled.

#26

So I did not reference slicks. I mentioned street legal radials, which are a bit different.

Slicks:

http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/b/m&h_racemaster_drag_slick.jpg

Radials:

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/deanscheidt/255-60-15DragRadials_zps8d2a729f.jpg

They still have tread and are driveable on wet surfaces just like a regular tire. Your example of the ET Street is damn near a slick.

The relevancy to lightweight rotors or wheels is that it is an upgrade that is usable on a day to day basis, not something you pull out of the attic for track day.

Something like this for example: http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street.php?item=SportsmanSR

#27

The only reason I bring that up is because it is not uncommon for guys to daily drive those. I wouldn’t run them on my car. No point.

We have a supercharged RS4 customer who does, and even my father does on his C6 Z51 (although it is much more beneficial for him)

#28

Actually, I posted a street legal DOT legal tire. You just made my point for me.

This is the Mickey Thompson ET STREET.

Get my point yet? You’re basically saying ‘street legal is ok, but only if it’s not a slick’. In other words, exactly what I’m saying. If it’s a slick, no list. But who says what a slick is? Certainly not the government considering what is ‘DOT Approved’ can include what everyone with a brain can see is a ‘slick’.

https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/et_street_radial_pro.jpg

#29

how about this? is this a slick or not?

According to DOT, it’s fine. Do we really want this shit on our list because ‘one guy I know drives on them’

Primetime runs race gas all the time. 100% of the time in his B8 S4. Does that mean ‘street trim’ = race gas? No. He’s an outlier. You don’t change a rule because of an exception.

http://www.racetires.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/drag-radial.jpg

#30

I know exactly what tire that is. I was in the domestic scene with a 73 Camaro before I got my first Audi.

There will always be exceptions, and is someone with an Audi going to daily the ET Streets? Probably not because they may have a hard time fitting them in the wheel-well. But the street radials with real tread is something that is very possible for someone to use on a daily basis, as I have personally seen it on a customers JHM SC’d RS4.

The question is where do you draw the line.

#31

Seems like the same argument that people on AZ are having about the stripped interior…

Comparing removing the jack and spare (Some of our cars don’t even come with a spare) and running minimal gas…

to ripping out all of the seats and putting in a seat shell for some hailmary passes.

#32

you’re missing the point. Annoyingly.

NOBODY is daily driving these tires.

they’re buying them and putting them on their drag wheels. They’re driving to the strip. They’re running at the strip. They’re driving home, and removing them.

They’re slicks…but they’re DOT approved. You say they should be on the list because they’re dot approved. Then you say 'but slicks shouldn’t. The problem is the DOT list includes some slicks.

Using a DOT list creates a loophole. We go to the trouble of creating a rule, and then bang…rule is circumvented and useless. The spirit of the rule is what we’re trying to focus on. Not a beaurocrat’s definition of what is in the spirit of the rule. The point is there can be no drawn line. It’s a case by case basis. If something is a slick, I don’t care what the DOT says. It’s a slick. If something like the Nitto tire badtoyz is up for discussion, I think it’s fine. Michelin Pilot Sport Cup? Also fine, but slightly borderline. These hoosiers ? Give me a fucking break…

http://www.racetires.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/drag-radial.jpg

#33

I am not missing the point, I know exactly what you are saying, and I agree. Those street radials you linked are practically slicks and I wouldn’t consider those “street trim” either.

I am just saying that there ARE street radials that relate more to a street tire, than they do to the slicks. Like these MTs that I linked earlier: http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/street.php?item=SportsmanSR

#34

I think we are saying the same thing…

#35

Which of these are DOT approved and which ones are not? Which ones should be allowed for our list and which ones should not?

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/500/522/522-17310.jpg

http://www.racetires.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/drag-radial.jpg

http://www.ityre.com/i/tyre/20514.jpg

http://image.superchevy.com/f/12679288+w640+h640+q80+re0+cr1+st0/sucp_0006_02_z%2Bstreet_legal_slicks%2B.jpg

http://image.superchevy.com/f/12155562+w640+h640+q80+re0+cr1+st0/sucp_0006_01_z%2Bstreet_legal_slicks%2B.jpg

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/attachments/autocrossing-and-roadracing/47694689d1334714095-new-kumho-ecsta-v710-track-competition-drag-radial-tires-for-179-00-v710a.jpg

http://www.stangtv.com/image/2014/12/img_9819.jpg

http://www.mandhdragtires.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/h/cheater-slicks_2.jpg

#36

here’s what you actually said Jake. By this post, any street legal radial would be approved.

#37

I wouldn’t allow any of the tires you have pictured.

When I made that post I was referring to the types of tires that I have been linking, and that have been ignored. The ones that are not practically a slick .

#38

How about we draw the line at ‘no competition tires’ or nothing below or equal to ‘100 tread wear rating’ or something.

The latter requires a lot of effort though.

Tricky business is that some cars come from factory with ‘competition tires’ (like Pilot Sport Cup 2).

So then disallow tires with just a token stripe (vs actual treads)?

I don’t know, just thinking out loud.

#39

Every single tire picture is DOT legal, and is considered a ‘street legal drag radial’

You can see why I think that is a useless classification

#40

All I can say is unless it’s a drag tire, it will be shit on the strip. People going with R6s or trofeos or sport cups or RS-3s or other road race tires will not have any advantage at all because of stiff sidewalls. Someone with treaded ET streets like Jake showed will rape them. It’s all very subjective.

Are we basing the judgement on it being a drag-speciality tire or not? Ie the NT555R nitto is a drag tire. Or if it’s a “slick” in general?

I agree with the case-by-case basis, I guess, it seems to fit the spirit of the board to put things up for discussion and judgement lol. Our list should fit the board.

And to start the voting, we should poll specifically for the slicked b8 s4 cars - and to those I vote no.