heres another one. why are you hounding me? again who was stating facts? are you just mad because i proved you wrong with the 10.99? so i guess you do not like when someone proves you wrong? only problem is that when someone else does it, you react by attacking them. was i wrong about prime’s 119 run and his pbox run and comparing the two, yes. thank you 81 for clearing that up. keep acting the way you are and youll turn this place into a ghost town because there are only SO many cast aways like you, me, prime faw snow trooper to contribute to this.
and frankly i dont care if its in this thread or via pm. if you dont like it, tell God to clean it up when we’re done.
I didn’t challenge you to a duel. I aksed you to look at what I have written. You started hurling insults, so I suggested we re-set, and focus on the facts.
All of the answers to your initial questions were in that post that you above admitted to ignoring. I said let’s take the BS out of Tsivas’ thread to the war room, and focus on facts in here. Instead, you’ve fired back with drama 5 times. I’ve knon you in person briefly, and on these forums, for 4 years or so. If you want to be my forum enemy, so be it. With Mick leaving the scene, there is an opening for that role. jspazz seems to want to oppose everything I post, so he too is auditioning. You may do well though. I’d rather move on and look at the facts though.
I’m not sure how that post had me getting ‘testy’…I was more frustrated with nobody looking at the numbers, and instead just saying ‘this isn’t right’. You kept talking about what if scenarios, which got us nowhere. Then I clarified the supposed great traction by quoting Kai. Let me know what was ‘testy’ in there. I don’t see it.
[quote=91GL] i didnt come in here guns blazing, you just simply have had it out for me since ive been gone
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This is just fucking weird…
do you know what, fuck it. dont worry saki. ill get out of here. i dont even want to be bothered with this shit for its not worth my time. looks like you have everything under control so why should everyone else even bother voicing an opinion or let alone a question on an open forum.
maybe they should have appointed you God since nothing seems to slip from you.
God, please terminate my account. just erase me from AR’s memory
His tune has a raised rev limiter then. His motor is stock isn’t it? Merlin’s Magic, the other K04 car on here who did a 8.8 60-130 said he had to jack the rev limiter on fourth gear up a few hundred RPM in order to hit 130 in fourth gear.
What did you do for that matter? I thought MT6 B8 S4 gearing was like RS4 gearing as far as speeds in gears goes. i.e. 40 mph in first, 70 in second 100 in third and 129 in 4th.
You need a 5 point roll bar at 11.49
You need a full cage at 10.99
This has not changed in a few years.
The rest of my post that you quoted is pretty clear…I’m agreeing with you that the DA was stacked against primetime. When he pbox it was around +1000. When KAI pbox it was around -1200 (clarified by Tsivas). That’s a huge gap. However you took my comment as if I was arguing with you?
Saki, i think he said he’s gone…I didn’t want in on this…you can call me Mick if you like, I don’t have enemies that I stalk around to see what they’re doing, nor do I remember every stupid thing everyone has done in their life and call them out on it constantly. I don’t have enemies, really, so I hope you don’t consider me one.
I just called out the negative vibes, you do it a lot and later pretend you didn’t. “B8itis” is just one of those things, sure you can cry on that its an open forum, but you’re in the B8 s4 section of this forum, so expect to get gang banged with comments like that.
I personally distrust the 60-130 as a measure, it’s done with non-fixed equipment, at higher speeds where winds play a much bigger role than the 1/4. I have no doubt that Kai’s b5 is faster in the 1/4 mile than his latest time, and obviously the numbers don’t add up compared to the 60-130. The 3 shifts vs 1 is probably the most compelling argument I’ve seen here. Also the very issue of a 6MT will ooze inconsistency, whereas the DSG can pop off quick shifts and launch 1.7 60’s all day.
I suspect this is why Tsivas is a little apprehensive to get to the strip…(not to call you out, bro… )
yeah, I was joking about the enemy thing. Thought that was pretty apparent. Typed words can’t always convey tone.
re: the quarter mile, I just think the 60-130 is a useless test that measures the car where I never drive it, so I really like the quarter mile. The 60-130 is easier to ‘perfect’ however.
When you factor in Kai’s driving vs. DSG consistency (which I mentioned 2 pages back), the DA difference on PT’s 60-130 vs. Kai’s 60-130 (which I also mentioned a few pages back) and the fact that the stage 3 B5 on race gas is just plain faster every other time we have tested this, I don’t know what all the hullaballoo is about.
Further it is not 3 seconds difference 60-130 between Kai and primetime. It was 1.89 seconds Kai vs. Tsivas and 2.18 Kai vs. primetime. As I said all along, the gap is significant, but certainly not ‘fishy’ or inexplicable.
B8itis is something I believe in. Not all of you have it, but it is a disease that is frequently caught. The 492 whp dyno defender is a great example. So many B8 guys lose touch with reality in positioning the B8 as a supercar that can nevar loze.
I honestly can’t tell you how many B8 guys have said I ‘hate the B8’ because I am presenting or interpreting facts that don’t mesh with their view of their beloved car. It’s incredible. It all started when the B8 was launched, APR dyno’d 316 whp, and all the B8 guys deduced that the car made 430 crank hp because of the ‘normal’ 25% Audi drivetrain loss. This explained how the car was able to go 12.9 @ 108 in the quarter mile stock. I said that’s ridiculous, and that they need only look at the torque curve to see why the car was so fast. I estimated it was underrated, certainly, but the peak hp and torque were both around 360 stock. I was attacked and called a hater. I also explained that ‘normal’ drivetrain loss on modern Audis is not 25%, especially not on a dyno like APR’s (HUB). Keith @ APR agreed with me, and now I frequently see people saying that the stock crank hp is likely around 360 hp. Novel concept.
I then predicted mid 12 second quarter mile times for APR tuned B8 S4s when all the speculation was happening, and was attacked for not saying 11.4 seconds. I was called a hater who was jealous because my B7 S4 was ‘obselete’. Again…hwut?! Guess what the APR tuned B8 S4s ran in the quarter mile…oh shocker. Mid 12 seconds.
I have challenged every one of them to present evidence of ANYTHING ANYWHERE where I said anything disparriaging about the B8 or it’s capabilities. They all go dead quiet. As I have said to every one of them, if I didn’t like the platform, why is it that I owned a B8 before any of you? If I didn’t like the S4 itself, why would I recommend it to so many of my friends and family members, about half a dozen of whom have purchased the S4 3.0T? None of it makes sense. People just don’t like the facts sometimes, and rather than open their eyes, they lash out with the usual bullshit…which 91GL did IMMEDIATELY after I made that B8itis comment. That I am bitter about the B8 being so succesful lol. I would like to see someone say that to someone’s face without laughing at how fucking ridiculous it sounds.
In all honesty Saki, I’m not a big B8 S4 fan in terms of the driving experience…I enjoy driving my shitbox M5 more, and I LOVED the rush of boost when I had my MTM-tuned b5 s4, even if it was slower. So yeah, I get puzzled when it seems (maybe wrongly) that you’re implying that I’m a B8 guy. I’m a car guy (or bike guy, depending on the forum).
I do watch B5 references with interest, you may remember I still have a never ending K04 + PSS9 coilover allroad project to finish, and I doubt I will use the VAST tune that came with my kit.
You should finish that project and then do battle with the JHM budget allroad build. That project is going to be something that will raise some eyebrows. allroad+JHM RS6r+full maintenance and stage III mods with a very specific goal and a very specific budget. Kind of blew my mind…made me wonder why anyone bothers with the rest of these Audis.
Tsivas, told me about this thread and I finally had some time to check it out and you guys are hilarious! ;D
Bottom line is B5 on pump gas (with 240lb+ passenger) vs B8 on race fuel was DEAD even
B5 on race fuel and B8 on race fuel wasn’t even close. “Bus lengths” to quote Pete.
The 8.8 (60-130) run done was done with less than a 1/4 tank of MS109 pretty much didn’t want it to goto waste, at the track I was running 12’s conditions were poor (hence the bad 60’ times) and I wasn’t really power shifting and was just having fun with the car up until the track got shut down because a Vette blew up and spilled oil and coolant everywhere. Ideally I didn’t want to break anything because I had already done numerous passes including the roll racing. Does the car have a low 11 in it in my opinion, yes. Did I do it on Saturday? No.
The B5 on racegas is a complete different animal above 65MPH.
You guys have too much time on your hands, ok back to work!
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