Tsivas - did you guys actually race? Tell us how that went.
You guys are funny, struggling with the numbers…:-). So many flip flops too, some of you are now arguing against the 1/4 and for the 60-130!
I’m not offering any opinion other than I agree with 91. The numbers look weird, and Kai’s 60-130 is way faster than the 1/4 reflects.
Ps if that is called b8itis, then what are the symptoms of B7RS4itis? Need we say?..
thanks 81 and jspazz. Saki gets so caught up with himself and his beliefs that he can not for one second, instead of jumping down people’s throats, actually try to think about it from someone elses perspective. as smart as he is, he really does a poor job at that. thats why ill just ignore him from now on because that long post of his towards me was pathetic. talk about someone that has to be the GUY.
back to what I was saying. prime or 81 vs Kai (no one else) would be an interesting race and would love to see the comparison then. not saying the b8 will beat it, I NEVER DID. just saying it might be closer than we think. and if anyone wants to complain that they cant shift as fast as a dsg equipped car, then that is your problem.
and to speculate further, imagine prime’s car had actual lightweight wheels and no cats (not sure of 81 and if he has test pipes or not) could actually do. the potential is there but this platform is still new and GIAC’s offerings are looking promising. if we can get GIAC and APR into an arms race, then we will all benefit from this
Pete actually ran him from 40 mph. Was close for a little then he said he took off in fourth and put a ton of cars on him. He said it was pretty bad.
Saki- Kai said he didn’t shift up top. Just 3rd to 4th up to 130
Good thing I don’t work in finance responsible for millions of dollars… oh wait… :o
would love to see pete once the test pipes, cps and stage 2 go in. im not expecting miracles from him right now with just a giac stage1 tune and intake
I dunno - the m5 ran similar times to Kai, in summertime with worse DA and what does it run in quarter?
Kai’s quarter mile should be faster given his 0.5-0.6 sec shift speeds. Would we even question this if he ran an 11.3? That shift time adds up when u compare to a single shift for the vbox. He also most def brake boosted for the 60-130 time.
PT and I are pretty similarly setup,
81bear:
APR stage 2 V2
Strat intake
APR CPS
Milltek res exhaust
034 HFC
18" LW wheels
PT (If I’m not mistaken):
APR stage 2 V2
Custom intake (similar to strats)
APR CPS
Milltek non res exhaust
034 HFC
19" LW wheels
BBK
LW rotors
Bear, Correct, for now :P… + Alu Kruez and sways, not that it matters… Intake is same dimensions as the strat just better material and wrapped in header wrap…
You know it looked like you were applying some derivative to the problem…delta of the delta…haha yes definitely a finance guy trying to get ahead of the curve
not looking at his et though. im looking at traps speeds. i could care less about his 12.0 thats why i never mentioned it or i would have said something ignorant like “oh pt ran 11.6 so his car would walk kai’s in a race”
we know that is not the case. pt and 81’s traps are up there so it made me think about that 8.8 and prime’s old 60-130 and what he could possibly do NOW with a similar DA
Yup that’s what I was looking for future trend… got to look past the obvious… cough…RIMM…cough! lol!
91 I think the issue with using PT’s trap of 119mph and comparing it to his P-box 60-130 time is that a) it was done on two totally different days so who knows what, as you say, the DA impact would be and b) he was using a 104 tune file to run his 119mph trap which increased his trap speed over the 100 tune file by 2-3mph.
What looks weird? The b5 was faster
If you are agreeing with 91, and his original thesis before he got off track and turned it into a whatever the fuck it now is, you are saying that you think the pbox is inaccurate. That was his original contention . That is despite the obvious facts (which are being ignored in favour of gay drama and platform trashing).
very true. finally a reasonable person that can explain things to me. i have indeed been absent for a while and I remember prime pulling pbox data at the strip when running his car. i only assumed, i asked a question and a certain someone jumped down my throat. thank you for clarifying though
but 119 is 119, that is seriously quick. dont care what advatage his trans has, the car considering what it has done to it and what it weighs compared to the b5 makes some real nice power. very good to see
91GL, stop the BS. PM me if you have something to say but seriously, this shit is getting old.
i love how i turned it into what the fuck it is now. i asked a question, why doesnt this make sense. you ran away with it. 81 explained to me just now in a very civil way “hey 91, dont think it is fair because the 1/4 mile and 60-130 of prime’s were done with different setups”.
if i was as narrow minded as you make me out to be i would have responded with “well fuck you 81…bla blah blahh” but i didnt. move on now.
what BS? its ok for you to call me out on here and challenge me to a dual in the “war room” after i asked a question and I simply voiced me concern as to why things do not add up to me. you want to talk about getting old? you interfering in every damn thread on every damn forum in order to voice your opinion is getting old. you have to be in the middle of everything and frankly if you weren’t in here, there would be no argument or no issue. i didnt come in here guns blazing, you just simply have had it out for me since ive been gone.
the exact post where you began to get testy with me. maybe you should re read the entire thread and see who started the bs. i never even discounted the pbox, i asked if it was credible. i have limited knowledge of it.
What if?
What if Primetime’s track was flat? What if we gave Kai a 17 foot ramp to drive down at the start…think that might give him some momentum and get him up to speed faster? Let’s not bother playing what if.
Yes, sometimes a worse 60 foot = a faster trap. However I only mentioned his 60 foot times because you said…
The guys on Saturday were complaining about conditions. That’s easy to see when a 500 hp Audi is cutting 2 second 60’ times.
I was just quoting Kai’s trap speeds that he posted on Audizine. He started a thread. All info is there.
Here…horse’s mouth.
[quote]This past weekend was ER’s (exoticsrally.com) Turkey Run. This year it was held at Englishtown raceway, pretty much rented out the entire track and it was ours from 10AM till 5PM. First half of the day was a roll racing competition, second half everyone did 1/4 runs with the tree. I was originally going to take my Gallardo to get baseline times etc. before we tear it apart for a TT build but last minute change of plans led me to take my B5 S4. I switched to the ASP (Autospeed) race map using my Iphone/Ipod touch put in some MS 109 in the tank and trailered the car to the event (just in case I broke an axle or something else).
The car ran very well all day, must’ve done 20+ passes. Here’s some video of the roll racing action between various cars that attended. (There were many 1000+HP cars there from Porsches to GTRs etc.)
Mod list: K04’s(22-23psi) 60lb injectors ER IC’s W/ Shrouds ASP Tune On Race File With MS109 In Tank CM Stage 4 Clutch & LWFW No Spare/Tools Full Interior Enkei NT03 Wheels (18-19lbs each) Alcon BBK H&R Coilovers JHM Transmission W/ Shifter + Linkage RS4 Engine Mounts 034 Tranny Mounts ASP DTS Apikol Rear Diff Mount That’s All I can remember lol there are probably more but nothing to affect how fast the car is.
Unfortunately my GoPro battery died when we started doing the 1/4 mile runs later in the afternoon therefore none of those are on video except one run (in the end againts a ESS Supercharged M3). Best 1/4 run of the day was a 12.0 @ 121MPH, 60’ times were very poor due to track conditions (1.9-2.0 all day), the car had mid 11’s in it for sure.
Here are some videos, enjoy!
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