Seems like there’s still a bit of animosity between REVO and APR. Still, referring to APR’s offerings as “inferior” is just inaccurate and also likely to tick off some forum members. Probably not the wisest thing to say from a marketing standpoint (especially given REVO’s history).
He isn’t exactly the best vendor rep out there. lol
not in the slightest.
He’s now busy trying to place the blame for all the confusion regarding Stasis/Revo shenanigans and who wrote and was to support what tune on the community because, apparently, their internal direction was very clear. Perhaps, but their external face to customers was about as clear as mud.
If revo really wanted to make a play for customer service it would be for ANY person with a stasis flash, not just those purchased after a certain date.
My question is how many stasis flashes were sold in the last 6 months to a year. Those are the people that are really not going to be pleased given they are losing their “warranty”.
So should they also offer that to APR customers? The chance to flash REVO for free?
Because that’s the net effect of the Stasis pre REVO scenario you outlined. APR tuned those cars, and APR made a pile of money on those cars. Not REVO.
When Stasis was connected to REVO, those $1500 stasis tunes were sending a pile of money to REVO, so they’re supporting the people who have paid them. Not the people who paid Opelika.
In reality, Opelika should consider supporting those pre REVO people who had the stasis tune way back when…but instead they’re charging them $650.
I get what you are saying completely but the fact that Revo and Stasis were one and the same takes everything to a different level. APR was like any other stasis supplier and that was it, if Revo stayed a supplier and not a partner they would owe nothing to those customers as well. APR owes nothing to those who decided to buy a stasis “flash”, if it was stasis by apr and branded as such it might be a different story.
Revo made a bad business decision and they know it and now they are trying to save face.
[quote]We are trying extra hard to make sure that our labeling of the pulley software is so confusing that it will force everyone’s brain to delete any relation we had with STaSIS
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I wonder if Revo potentially could face any litigation down the road with relation to the stasis warranty.
They were one and the same in name/marketing only. They did a cross branding effort to save Stasis and help REVO push Stasis stuff to save them. That’s all as it turns out.
Lets say someone who bought Stasis motorsport suspension 2 years ago has a problem and needs a warranty claim filed, or a rebuild. Is REVO responsible?
What was the bad business decision REVO made?
Regardless of past money earned or customer support, this is an amazing opportunity for all 3 big tuners to gain market segment share in a relatively small market. APR was smart with their initial offering to increase their MSS. Their offer also covers all previous Stasis customers, not just a select few over a specific time period. Revo scrambled to maintain their current MSS by only offering support people who previously had the Stasis/Revo tune. I’m surprised GIAC is just sitting on the sidelines and not trying to woo previous Stasis customers.
I think it would benefit Revo’s future sales to offer some sort of deal to people who were Stasis tuned prior to Stasis switching their tune vendor to Revo. Brand loyalty plays a huge role in future purchases.
-Skid
The bad business decision was hitching their name to stasis.
Depends on how the relationship is perceived. Given the countless references to the “stasis revo group” and “our brands” and CFO of Stasis talking about the “acquisition” of Revo etc etc.
Obviously one would have to examine the structure of the company and the distribution of shares to really get into the dirt of it all to really see if there is any responsibility by revo for any stasis products.
Again I agree with what you are saying and totally get it but there are a few ways to look at this situation.
I would guess they formed a new LLC to protect themselves from any sort of litigation given the way this news release is worded.
revo needs a frigging pulley, post haste. WTF are they waiting for? It’s a damn pulley.
Probably someone to write the tune for it… lol, I think…
http://blog.revotechnik.com/?p=54
[QUOTE=Chris@Revo;9702897]At this time the release is only for rest of world, it will be officially launched in the Americas in a few weeks.
Stock is being shipped over now and ready for me to ship once I get back to our US offices the week of the 5th.
Pricing and power figures are obviously what they are and relevant, we will have an official US launch when we are ready to support it there.
DSG software is in final testing, I do not have pricing or release date on that, hoping to get some seat time doing top speed runs this week though to test it out [:)]
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http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/593387-Revo-Pulley?p=9702897&viewfull=1#post9702897
This Chris dude is funny… Learn to read logs, really? Well Chris most of us who have owned this car and seen the various versions of APR/GIAC/Stasis/Revo tunes may not be as knowledgeable as someone like yourself but I can still do basic data analysis… Your tune showed much higher timing values throughout the rev range during dragstrip passes with a much higher average and peak number, even compared to 104 tunes… We also didn’t see hardly any timing retard like we have in all other logs…
For example, in some recent testing I’ve been doing I saw the below averages through all 4+ gears:
pass 1 = 23.2
pass 2 = 24.1
pass 3 = 23.9
pass 4 = 23.7
pass 5 = 23.3
average of all = 23.6
Now those Revo logs:
pass 1 = 28.0
pass 2 = 29.3
pass 3 = 28.9
pass 4 = 29.7
pass 5 = 29.6
pass 6 = 29.0
pass 7 = 29.7
pass 8 = 29.3
average of all = 29.2 So on average that’s nearly a 24% increase! Should we talk about some of the 40+ peak values prior to shifting vs the 27-29 the APR 104 tune shows? Oh and Chris take a look again at those logs and some others, during a shift the timing is negative and shouldn’t be slightly climbing as you claim…
Also, the IAT’s were better on the recent logs I did compared to the ones that show your tune blowing a motor so maybe we should look at that data as well?
These were 1/4 mile passes through 4+ gears so not much deceleration going on… Also, given the car went mid 12’s compared to the APR and GIAC cars going mid/high 11’s I guess it’s not apples to apples… lol
Do you want me to keep going? What am I not understanding Chris? I can provide pretty pictures and graphs if it will make it easier for you to understand?
Whats up guys,
So the last time i went to have my tune reflashed I talked to the owner who said they had the pulley and stage 2 software running in a shop car. This is one of the orgional 3 places that could do the bench flashing with REVO. long story short he promised he would let me know as soon as i could upgrade. I got the email yesterday and my car was dropped of early this morning. will be running stage 2 later today!
Cool. Are you in the States?
Nice! Looking forward to seeing your thoughts on it… Do some logs and share please…
Yes in NJ, I will be sure to post and get some logs done this weekend. on a separate note. my laptop crapped out on me after the last bit of logging. i got a surface pro to replace it. is there anything special i need to do to register it or as long as i have the cable I just need to download the software?
Just download the software… Having the cable is all that is needed… Looking forward to your impressions and logs… You should hit the strip with Pete and Tsivas sometime…
ya definitely hit up the track. you may be the first revo stage 2 in north america