With that abandoned run why would it have been any faster than the others? Multiply 1/8 by 1.55 to approximate quarter time…that’s mid 12.4. Multiply 330 by 2.38 (on an rs4).
That’s what you ran as your best and you had near identical 1/8 times
putting in a motion to see less paragraphs and more point form arguments.
Feels like i just read a whole lot of nothing!
SO…LA does nothing? and your 1.9 60’ made you run a 13?? it was 130lbs and the “correct” tire pressure that netted you 6 tenths??
and you are more or less trying to say your JHM tune is less aggressive than a stock tune? The tune didn’t make you run a slow time, the driver did.
seriously though, congrats on the PB, just don’t understand why you think ridding yourself of JHM parts will make you faster? Must be the QW JHM hater club…led by bananaS4, who if I got spanked a million times by JHM, I guess I’d either join them or hate them.
You can’t get multiplication factors by reversing out based on someone elses run. Its not a linear system and not a one size fits all. If you want to come up with a representative one, then survey dozens or hundreds of runs, and find the mean. But that again, is not going to equate to an answer for this specific car.
Also crossing the line at 12.494 and 43mph, I gave up some time there. At least a tenth. Don’t try to apply your one time reverse calculation as a one size fits all. Its not that simple. Just look at the data: 12.494 @ 43mph. How long does it take to go from ~110mph to 43mph under 3/4 braking? now do some math there, subtract teh 110-43 braking time frm constant velocity over that distance and that will give you a better idea of what I woudl have been on target to do.
But its all moot anyways, because it wasn’t a valid run. Which is exactly what I said up front. Best valid run was 12.43 @ 111.78
I will tell you right now best I had ever done stock tune on my car was 13.13 107.6mph. Best on the current JHM tune is 13.0 108.7 or so. Best I did on the original JHM tune was 13.0 112mph, with a 2.2 60;, because I was babying the launch. But as you can see the speed was there. Same conditions, better launch, on the current V7 tune i could not achieve anywhere near the top end speeds. And it is purely because the tune is mild. its about 2mph better than stock on my car in like config. Now I am 4-5mph better than stock tune, but only 2mph is due to the tune, the rest is due to weight.
you don’t have to look at the times, look at the mph. 107.6 stock. 108.7 tuned JHM v7, 111.9 tuned JHM V6, car in same weight config. 111.78 JHM v7 with big weight savings. V6 tune was removed and V7 installed because of improvements, less pinging issues. I am currently on the same V7 tune, but the difference between a year ago and now is the weight losses. That got me the extra MPH. Tune didn’t change. Fuel didn’t change. DA didn’t change. So like I have been saying, if I had the V6 tune or the VR tune for my J Box car, I would expect additional improvements. Significant ones. In essence V7 now at 3639lbs with stock exhaust is 3mph faster than v7 tune was a year ago with JHM exhaust and car weighing 200lbs more.
now some will sit here and try to punch holes in the mph numbers above, but I ran many pulls and know my configurations, and I know that the car was only capable of those speeds with those tunes in those configurations. All you have to do is look at the speed and that tells you what the car can do. And hitting 111.7mph means I should be able to hit about 12.3 secs on a really well executed run. Not any more than that. I need a better tune, better fuel, and lighter weight in the car to improve the trap speed.
Guys I am not bashing JHM, I am saying that since they can’t deliver what I was told they would deliver a year ago, I am tired of waiting. I am removing certain items because I am having issues. Shifter, i am tired of having to adjust every few months. Clutch and flywheel, its making odd noises, and I am getting concerned with it, and also concerned I have nobody at JHM standing behind me on it, even though they did the install. Whats left? Tune, well I want improvements, and I can’t get it from them. Exhaust, I think this new exhaust will be better. Thats my gamble. I never said there was anything wrong with JHM’s exhaust, i just think this will be a better product. i have minimal brand allegiance. i want the best for my car. I will keep rear rotors and intake spacers and LWCP.
Def do what you think is best for the car. End of the day when your car breaks… YOUR the one left holding the bill!
What is the holdup exactly with the tune? Sorry if i missed it but i dont understand why your not on a “final” version yet.
As for the shifter well, Saki will tell you STOCK 4 LIFE 
Actually mick 1.55 x your 1/8th time is a great indicator of your 1/4 mile time. For all cars.
At the 1/8th mile point, you are nearing the top of 3rd gear, and are going WOT. You then change into 4th (the easiest gear change in the entire transmission) and go WOT the rest of the way. That’s why this test is so accurate…there’s really only 1 gear change from the 1/8th point to the end of the track (for almost every car), and since you’re already going high speeds, traction etc. can’t step in to fuck up the run. You also have loads of momentum so a great gear change or a shit gear change won’t do much to effect your time.
Anyway, look at your timeslips…at the 1/8th, you were the same ET on the ‘what could have been’ run as you were on your best run, down to the 1/1000th. If you think this hero run was going to be dramatically better, tell us how? What special sauce did you have up your sleeve that you didn’t have on the other runs?
Finally, here’s a dozen RS4 runs for which I have the timeslip, and I’ve added your 4 runs in. Tell me if you think the 1.55 rule is inaccurate now.
http://i48.tinypic.com/1g38t3.jpg
lol
this sounds like ebwerks FUD marketing and JHM bashing to me. You must be out yo god damn mind to think anyone is going to believe that you don’t have a hard on hate on for JHM. You sound EXACTLY like ngng funny enough. You’re now complaining about parts that work flawlessly. That’s groundbreaking.
[quote=mickf29]The clutch has become a bit louder recently, and yesterdays issues weren’t reassuring. I don’t think it was the clutch and flywheel, but I want to get back to a more robust, trustworthy system. Right now I am constantly having the thought of catastrophic failure in the back of my mind and I can’t enjoy it. And if it fails, then who is standing behind me? Based on other recent issues, I will probably get the line of “it was not installed correctly or broken in correctly”.
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I hope you sell all your JHM stuff and take an absolute BATH financially on it, then get ebwerks employee discount on the exhaust, a nice ‘custom’ EPL tune for your removed headlight washers, and start to see what the grass is really like on the other side. Looking forward to seeing you blaze a trail with RS4power and that other guy with the EPL tunes. When are you ordering your BMW 1M coupe?
Yes definitely I am the one holding the bag at the end of the day, which is why i am getting frustrated with my JHM stuff. Every shifter adjust costs me. Every time I see a guy with a bad flywheel or clutch, its costing them money. The oil lines they didn’t make right cost me another $300 to make and install. The tune not being SAI ready as promised many times took me far too long and nearly cost me another bunch of cash, instead I got out of it for only a couple hundred after some escalation of the issue. I want improved reliability and a company standing behind their stuff more than just in words. i am guessing JHM is about a couple weeks of operations from being unable to make payroll, it sucks I have been in that place in the software startup i am involved with here, but its survive and thrive or die a painful death. i am guessing cash flow is an issue and all these warranty claims are not helping. As well as the inability to execute on a product like these tunes or the exhausts.
I heard a great statement once: Selling tunes is like printing money. So if you cant load a tune on a car, well you do the math. sell say 10 tunes a month, thats $7000, now lost. Free money aside from the minimal time to flash. And I would bet they used to sell more than that a month.
Not on a final version of the tune because JHM does not have any ability now to flash a tune to a car. This has been discussed ad nauseum on here and every other forums. JHM lost its ability to do this last fall when VAST and APR had a falling out and JHM was caught in the middle, and now have not been able to secure a way to get their flashes to customers.
So basically you chart, plus the fact my MPH numbers were pretty good, it shows I actually did a pretty damn good of driving the car after all. Kind of blows up your theory that I suck at driving. Maybe you should listen to when I say I baby launched the car, or I actually say to everyone that my times were X because of Y. Bottom line, my tuned and non tuned MPH speak volumes. This car will do 112mph now, because of a combo of the tune and the weight savings. 2mph for the tune, 3 mph for the weight loss.
And by that, I would guess that with 100 octane race gas like jnaut, and a VR tune, and an aftermarket exhaust, I would be significantly better. All I am saying is you need to recognize the effort put in, stop punching holes in everything, and ask questions instead of telling everyone how it was, second hand. Its been my argument with you for years now.
If jnaut ran a 112mph 12.26, it was all because of the race gas (and his driving was damn good, but look at your chart, I beat out your projected 1.55 x 1/8 values on 2 of 3 runs, and my speeds and 60’ times were all good and in range of all the other guys running). He had no tune, so zero question running 100 octane made the difference. So don’t you think if I put in 100 octane instead of 92, i woud be running 113mph 12.1x as I sit now? How could you not think that? I can already run 12.4. And don;t you think I could then cut that to a 12.0 with the exhaust? And then don’t you think with the proven VR tune that has already run 12.28 on 94 octane, that on my car I would not be in the 11.9x range?
I would lay money right now I could go put in 2 gallons of 109 octane with 2 gallons of 92 octane, and in LW config as I sit right now, run a 12.1x @ ~113mph. Zero doubt about it, nothing else done to car different than my runs saturday.
The best part, even though this is all speculation, it will become reality in a very short period of time. I will run EBWerks exhaust and be flirting with 12.2x Then will drop in 94 and will be flirting with 12.1. Then will hit 100 octane and should be at or near 12.0. And maybe, someday soon, I will get a VR tune and be able to get down in the 11.9 range. not sure how you would argue with this.
is that your way of ignoring the chart and the fact that you were wrong again? Just checking. The chart is not about ‘beating’ it you pillock or measure of the driving lol. The 1.55 x your 1/8th ET is just a good way to estimate your 1/4 ET. It showed that your 4th run, the one you claim was the money shot where you would eeeasily run 12.3 (lol) was in fact just like the other 12.47 run (and in fact had 1 less MPH at the 1/8th. The point of the chart shows that it’s within a tenth on every single run. FYI if your 1.55 time is MORE than the actual 1/4 ET it means nothing. If anything it means you left time on the table in the launch and 1st/2nd gear.
As for your times, as I said, I am CERTAIN that my car would run 12.4X if I took 250 lbs out of it, including 40+ lbs of rotating mass (-28 lbs wheels, -4 LWCP, -13 LWFW). So that makes your time just about useless. One need only look at jnaut’s 12.2 @ 112.98 to see how brutal your time is. He had half the weight reduction, LW rotorsx4, LWFW, catless 2.5" downpipes, and NO TUNE, and crushed your time.
So you still suck at driving. Your times were certainly consistent though. I have to say though, you were stalling the car at the line, cutting 2.1+ 60 foot times before Saturday…and now that you have a tune with JHM launch assist, you want us to believe that you didn’t use it, and suddenly you’re a launching superstar cutting 4 1.8 sixty foot times in a row? You want everyone to pat you on the back for being an asshole. Great. Quattroworld is a great place for you. They love you there. They know fuck all about performance or the accomplishments of running a good time though, so you come here. I started this off posting your time and called attention to another decent result for the RS4 community. You turned it into an anti-sakimano rant. So fuck you.
Sorry mick…that’s not going to fly here. That will work on anti-JHM quattrofail, but here where people pay attention…nope. can’t wait to watch you launch it with an EPL tune.
haha you are such a tool. I love how you leave out all the important facts, like jnaut ran 100 octane. or the fact that my time slip on my 4th run showed, and pasted here, that i crossed the line at 12.494, which you failed to put in your table, probably mainly to not disprove your point, but also that i crossed the line at 43mph. Now tell me of smart one, how does one cross the line at 12.494, as shown on the timeslip, at 43mph, and not have a valid point that a good amount was left on the track.
So next time you want to argue, try to equip yourself. 100 octane makes a huge difference. Stop discounting that. Loss of weight makes a huge difference, stop discounting that. My 60’, 1/8th time and speeds, and my quarter speeds were equivalent to all the other runs right at or near me. 1.8x, 89.xmph, 8.0x secs. Only one materially different is the one running 100 octane. And no tune. So your going to discount that and his weight loss? Its not adding up. The true measure of a cars performance is teh trap speed. And mine is exactly where i would expect it, with a 3mph boost over stock due to weight, and a 2mph boost over stock due to tune. It just goes to show the tuen is not really doing a whole hell of alot here. Face it. Weight loss and octane are more influential than the J Box tuen I have. Why can’t you just admit my tune is not that good compared to a VR tune? Its even stated by Dan and Kurt! its not a secret.
You baffle me at how insistent you are on jumping into somethign and making bold yet inaccurate statements, and then selling everythgin down the river to stick with your story, even when at some point you even know you are wrong. Typical stubborn ass scot.
BTW I had launch assist last year as well and was doing 1.97 at the line as a best run. What? Oh now it makes sense that I actually wasn’t pushing it as hard as you think I should? Yeah makes no sense i would do that, even though I said many many times i was not launching as hard as possible last year. I am not doing this solely for times. I am doing this mainly for trap speed. Times are cool, its kind of a pissing match thing, but trap speed is the real measure of what the car can do, without having to abuse the car at launch. And right now 111.78 looks pretty good with the exhaust and octane bump and maybe a VR tune or EPL tune to come. Right now everyone can clearly see the V7 tune I have from JHM is mild as hell. How do you go from 107.6mph trap to 108.9mph traps just from a tune, all other things being equal? Just stop lying and denying. Don’t know why its so hard for you to accept that the J Box V7 tune is pretty weak. Has nothing to do with my driving.
what am I wrong about? I’ve been waiting for you to tell me?
I don’t know how you run 12.49 @ 43…that’s pretty amazing. That’s why I asked if you slammed the brakes at any point, because I know my Rs4 takes forever to slow down if I just flip it into neutral while going 100 mph. I do know that 1.55 times your 1/8th mile time is pretty hard to argue with…and I do know that unless you have a nitrous kit that nobody knows about, you weren’t going to run much better than 12.40 on that pass. Maybe it’s because I have 10 times the dragstrip experience you have, or maybe its because I administer the quarter mile list here and have a spreadsheet with 200 aud quarter mile times and know that the rule is a good one…and maybe it’s because I’m not emotionaly tied to the time the way you seem to be, so I don’t bend facts and reality.
With respect to jnaut I have not discounted anything. I am showing that his time crushed yours, and you have far more done to your car. His only advantage was octane and being catless. If you think octane and cats offset your myriad of other mods, your extra 180 lbs in weight reduction, and the very important fact that you ran in 100 feet of density altitude, while he ran in 1900 feet, well I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Anyone else here know anything about dragracing that wants to have a shot at explaining this to mick? I’m not getting through to him.
I don’t know what you’re even talking about? You are tuned…that’s a big gap vs. stock. Show me your throttle map and I’ll show you that it’s a huge gap right there. Show me the timing and compare to my logs. Show me something that proves it’s not an advantage over stock.
As for ‘lying’…who is lying about trap speeds? Again, I’m confused because your points are rambling and disorganized. Did someone lie about their trap speeds?
Your old results are mostly worthless because you did things like this…
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I’ve NEVER in all my times at the strip EVER seen someone stall at the line…let alone have I heard of someone doing that 2x in one night…let alone doing that on multiple trips to the dragstrip. You will hopefully understand when people don’t believe you’re suddenly Sir-Launch-A-Lot.
WHOA…Mick was rocking semi-slicks. I’d love to see what some of the other fast RS4s would do with semi slick or slick tires. The BMW and Mercedes guys always use them (the fastest cars) and people just don’t realise what an advantage it is.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-RS-4-Timeslip-24309.html
http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=242579&stc=1&d=1235378303
holy shit, he was rocking those and only cut a 1.82?
You guys are really starting to talk in circles, nice runs Mick let your hate for Saki go and prove this 12.2X 12.0X 11.9ish your talking…and soon please, no B5 bullshit. But I guess you that is all based on EBwerks invisible time line. I also think that 43mph thing was a glitch.
[quote] Times are cool, its kind of a pissing match thing, but trap speed is the real measure of what the car can do, without having to abuse the car at launch
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This comment I do not understand…It actually sounds like something from a B5 guy?? like “It doesn’t matter that I ran a 13.5, I trapped 125mph”
It just says, hey I suck at driving…then the excuses come…like I don’t want to be hard on the clutch at the drag strip, but I want to beat the shit out of the engine on road courses.
I’ve seen RWD cars pick up 6 tenths with a nice set of drag radials slapped on it…
Haha, and here I thought this site had a “war room” for a reason. This thread appears to have turned into a pissing match with extreme bench racing from both sides. Kinda laughable.
In any case, the Nitto NT-01s are really far from being drag radials. They have very stiff sidewalls from road racing. Stiff sidewalls are certainly not optimal for drag racing, for the same reason someone upthread mentioned that snow tires can actually an advantage (and not just in the cold). Snows have much softer sidewalls compared to summer tires and especially DOT spec dry tires like the NT-01s. So, those tires are probably actually a disadvantage. But I won’t go as far as saying that with street tires the time would be 0.2 seconds faster… ;D
That would be more bench racing after all…
In the end, my 2 cents would be that everyone take a step back, chill, stop taking sides, and just enjoy their cars…
Thank you! They are not wrinkle walls, especially on an awd car at 41psi. What a set of these or wrinkle walls do for a rear wheel drive car is so different than anything, if anything, these do for an awd car. These provide less launch grip Because they at cold and don’t flex, which is exactly why I use them here. I could use my PSS tires or my blizzaks or my V12 Hankooks, but they will have more grip. Less grip is actually a good thing, so the amount of bog is now zero.
Anyways it’s the same old thing here, people post something and Saki thinks its his job to destroy it with his conspiratorial Internet research monkey and a 24 pack of jolt cola on hand! Just let people post and enjoy there stuff and understand they drove the car and own the car and know what the performance is and where it came from.
Give me a few weeks and I will be posting real stuff with same config and exhaust, then bumped octane. That will end the mystery about what octane can do for a car like ours.