Yeah, it’s great for the platform and Audi brand in general to see the competition continue to improve… Forces them all to invest more and be on their game, which is good for us customers…
I have the JHM SC and I if I hadn’t known there was a minor cut required, I wouldn’t have known there was a minor cut done. It’s that insignificant and impossible to see unless you were take apart a bunch of stuff.
It’s an argument used as a scare tactic for people who like to bash JHM (either because they have nothing better to do, even though most of them have JHM parts or because of ulterior motives).
It would be awesome if the APR run was on stock fueling, stock exhaust, stock rotors and stock wheels/tires.
Can’t wait for details…
These RS4’s are sooo impressive!!
Zaid the best by a guy who actually has a jhm supercharged car…
unfortunately it was not…Saki has the details but waiting for Arin to post.
Do you want to read what I wrote and rethink your response?
You quoted bensti. He said that on quattrofail and then all the empty headed morons kept repeating it, along with the AMD guys, as a way to scare people off the JHM kit.
You asked the question in the kryptonik thread. Euroswagr answered you.
You (for some reason) also asked it in here as if asking a beaten to death question once wasn’t enough.
So I let you know what was involved and swore a couple of times because it’s so ridiculous to go down this path.
Then you blow up, call me a fanboy, call me a douche bag…then claim you know exactly what is involved??
Then you say you may buy JHM even though it means having to deal with me? Is JHM selling sakimano as part of the supercharger kit or something?
Who are you?
Definitely wasn’t stock fueling, the 1740 requires APRs new HPFPs, doubt they would run on stock exhaust too.
Yeah, ARin mentioned the kit has upgraded fuel pumps a couple of times here over the past year. On the R8 and the RS4.
Now I have been saying this for a while so don’t say it hasn’t been said. I seriously think if your on the 1/4 mile board and you stripped out interior parts there needs to be an * next to the time. If you have slicks I think that needs to be there as well. adding it at the end of the list in others just isn’t enough…
who here hasn’t been waiting to see the v8s just crush the winny kids with the B5s. This record crushes everyother record…its a big win for all of us. I dont thgik any of us believe apr didn’t go 10s just with stripped out interior. They should have other 10s times. I just can’t stress enough I think we need to add a * next to any times wehre interiror parts were removed. I think it should be the same with slicks.
I think the weight removal of interior is just as impornant to note as race gas.
If we are the standard for what everyone will see in the 1/4 mile as I think AR has the best collection of Audi 1/4 miles I think that needs to be added.
Where do you draw the line?
Removing 40 lbs of rotating unsprung weight is far more important than removing the 100 lbs of seats. So does a car with LW rotors and wheels get an asterisk? No, it gets noted in the notes section/miscellaneous mods.
The drag radials are another story, and are a huge game changer, but again, where do you draw the line? Just at wrinkle wall hoosiers? Or any slick? How about Michelin Cup, a semi slick? Or snow tires which are a soft compound some people swear by?
I think at the end of the day if the car is materially different to a ‘normal’ version of that car, it is noted in the list already. Hell some people would say pulling the seats is less of a big deal than bolting giant turbos to a small V6 engine. Which B5 S4 is more materially different to a stock/normal B5…one with no backseat and passenger seat (saving 120 lbs) or one with gigantic GT turbos, forged internals, upgraded fuelling, tuning, exhaust etc? You want to asterisk the car that dropped 120 lbs of sprung weight, and NOT the one that completely blew up everything Audi put under the hood except the iron block?
For me, the list works well as is, but tihs forum is about all of us, so everyone chime in. The true ‘asterisk’ scenario is running a time at a non-certified track…and with our rules, the time won’t even make the list. But if you take your RS4 with your 4.2 FSI BNS engine out to a certified track and run XX.X @ XXX.XX, it’s going on the list with notes depicting, thoroughly, what you did to make that happen.
The list isn’t a contest with winners (but there are some losers lol). The list is a source of information and comparison.
this is the only platform of cars that debates weight removal and slicks. Any other car, forget JDM but vw, bmw american have no debate on this. You show up with a gutted car, slicks, etc run a good time you get a pat on the back and thats that. I really do not feel it is a big deal. Everyone has an equal opportunity to do the same.
And trust me, driving a completely gutted car is not the easiest thing to do mentally and physically. Im sure you know that as well.
Excellent! Thanks much for posting.
Again, my original post wasn’t to attack JHM at all, actually the exact opposite. I tend to overthink things to death, and that was what happened with this part of the install. Thanks again for all the responses. Made this an easier decision.
Again, I apologize for my outburst before. That is completely out of character for me. I don’t know who bensti is, I don’t know what quattro-fail is and honestly don’t know who you are. I was just asking what members of this forum thought about about the JHM install, and for the most part received very intelligent and well thought out responses. For that, I am definitely appreciative.
I think this is a great disscuession. I say we find and draw the line. The line is anything that makes you go…ohhhh well that isn’t really a represintive of a true time…you had to take out your seats… At no point is someone going to say… ohhh wait let me pull over and pull out my seats…
Changeing turbos… you make a great point… we have a spot on the list for just turbos and blower sizes.
Rototational weight can be looked at as impornant… still that is listed crank pulley lightweight rotors flywheel rims… All these are accepted and normal things that you add to the car and drive the car 100% of the time on… Removal of parts and driving the car with them removed is not 100% of how the car is used and the removval of those parts has a short term intended goal. Its not trully reflective of how that will actually perform.
I say the line works like this. You can add race gas… Its not really street represintive but people do and can eaisly add race gas and like primetime use it often… You can add or swap parts… thats still the car in its current form… You added different parts… Your removeing interior parts… thats not adding or swapping anything… if someone had lightweight race seats I say that is something to note but thats how the car is… unless they just put in race seats for the track evernt…
Adding or swaping seems to already have a spot… removal of parts that is different and should be taken as a more harsh strike.
Not even close to true. Domestic guys make a big deal about this. The team GM group wont even include you on the list if you strip out parts of the car. Your removing weight that you would never ever ever do in real life ever… how is that even remotly represitive of the car…
let me say this. we are and can set the standard here. I think we should do just that with the *
collecting the times and gathering the data is impornant. We have the biggest audi 1/4 mile list I have seen. I think the * can help keep things more honest and start a trend where people think twice about stripping there cars out temperairly to get a record. I have been saying thsi forever. I don’t think that should be rewarded… The * is a black mark…
Your in the right place for technical discussion, knowledge,and basically guys who give a shit and hate to see people get screwed over.
You’d be making a great choice going with JHM.
This is actually not quite the truth. Every platform I have ever been around this has been a huge debate. Weight removal and slicks is always the argument, “yup, so and so ran such and such, but they were on slicks with a gutted interior so it doesn’t really count.” For me personally, I think it is great that some folks want to put the time and energy to removing literally everything from their car, ensuring they have the most minut amount of fuel as possible (have seen people run out of fuel halfway down the track because of this) slap a set of slicks on and go all out for those record passes, but I am so much more impressed by the folks that show up and run 'em the way they drive 'em.
And that’s why the new S8 with an APR flash is so impressive. Running low 11s on pump gas while you passing the grey poupon in the back seat.
SO …
APR 10.60 @ 130
mods unknown, but thought to be a APR SC 1740 kit, 100+ octane, between 10-20 PSI (the tuner said it was more than 10, less than 20 I believe) upgraded fuelling, stock engine, JHM 5r clutch (according to Dru and Jake from JHM), stripped interior with drag radials on race gas. Dyno 585 whp/525 wtq
JHM 11.12 @ 125
mods include 8 PSI JHM supercharger, 93 octane, stock fuelling, JHM full exhaust, inttake spacers, LW rotors. Street tires and full interior. Dyno unknown
AMD 11.36 @ 126
mods include an AMD 1900 supercharger kit, 92 octane, 14 PSI , exhaust, LW parts etc. Street tires and backseats pulled out. Dyno 495 whp.
TTS 11.42 @ 125.1
mods include a TTS supercharger kit, 93 octane, 13 PSI, full Milltek exhaust etc. Street tires and full interior. Dyno around 500 whp (they dyno’d 600 hp crank)
This is shaping up to be a pretty incredible fight. Who would have thought that 18 months later, TTS would be in 4th place???!!! The TTS time was mindblowing when they ran it. Kudos to them for blazing a trail to truly epic performance.
Now, it should be noted that if APR was on drag tires and race gas, they’ve got a pretty big ET and MPH advantage on the competition because the rest were on street tires and pump gas, so it will be interesting to see what they were able to do on pump, street, full interior. They apparently ran a bunch of configurations yesterday. I assume the 10.60 @ 130.89 was a hail mary pass just to see what the car can do, and that’s awesome. Fun to see…but only fun once you’ve seen what it can do in street form. Which they did.