I would imagine APR cringing at some of the posts by their current poster child. I know I do.
Back on topic, this thread is awesome. Love the other rides that you have posted, and following your build with great interest!
^^ Yup. And it’s not surprising that Arin jumped in when I asked FT whether he received any discounts. That was smart. It’s no knock against Arin obviously, but FT shld have disclosed the deal he received. Now the cat’s out of the bag.
This was awesome…way to go you stupid fat fuck. (since we know you’re reading this thread with baited breath)
[quote=FlyingFucktard on Audizoo]I’m not the one deleting posts about my blower throwing belts.
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He read 930chas’ post HERE on AR about how his belt alignment might have been off…then when he didn’t see the post in the AZ thread, accused him of deleting the post. Of course the post was (and is) here, and still is, as was the explanation of what was wrong in the install and how it was resolved.
930chas keeps telling this loser to fuck off out of the AZ thread because of the BS he is causing, yet he doesn’t listen. Once you’ve been asked 4 times to stop trolling, I think it’s time for a moderator to issue an infraction.
[quote=930chas]Are you saying I deleted a post about my “blower throwing belts”??? Or did you maybe get so confused that you forgot you read on another forum that I was having a belt issue?? because I never posted it here. I don’t post and delete. Oh, and btw, it is still posted there and turned out to be an installer error. Seriously, bro, I put a lot of work into this install and don’t appreciate all the drama you are trying to create. If you have generic JHM questions, start another thread. Keep your drama out of this one.
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I sure hope he apologizes for that.
It’s funny that this fat pussy won’t post here, and he hides on AZ and quattrofail. I love seeing him act like a total fucking fool.
I also like hearing that he got a discount on his kit, as well as a free carbon clean, free oil, free liquids on install, free labour on his install, all courtesy of APR. Tells you two things
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APR are good guys who cut him a nice deal in exchange for using his car as one of the pre-retail released cars
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FlyingFuckwad received a sweetheart deal on his APR kit and is attempting to be the marketing mafia for APR by slamming the JHM kit (and now their customers) whenever he gets a chance.
It’s funny, I told ARin this guy was an asshole/loser 6 months ago when Arin asked me who he is. Guess APR didn’t want to hear it and chose him as their marketing machine. That’s backfiring a bit now that shit-for-brains is making an ass of himself and in the process, APR.
Dont forget shipping of the car.
Direct from Arin
[QUOTE=Arin@APR;9472751]we transported his vehicle labor / oil / carbon cleaning charges were not what we normally charge. He received the car back with a production kit and production software around 3 major US holidays. It took us roughly a month to complete all videos, product photography, marketing literature, and stock inventory before officially releasing the kit.
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If someone is suggesting I’m asking any of my customers to talk negatively about any of our competitors, they are wrong. I have no problem doing that myself, from my name, if I feel the need to do so, and my history should really back up that point. I also don’t need anyone to do any marketing for me because I’m the best in the universe at doing that myself. I have asked he show his car in our booth at Waterfest and h2o next year, if he wants, but if not, big deal. Our massive space at these shows are typically flooded with our own vehicles anyways.
As for transporting the car, yes, we picked it up after a car show we attended up north. I did the same thing for 3.0 TDI customer the year before at the same show. The rs4 was picked up with a friends and was driven home. Return transportation was never discussed.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that. No one has said anything negative about you here. We’re talking strictly about FT and his crusade against JHM. Just go look at his posts - it’s pretty self-evident.
Exactly nobody is saying anything other then your customer looks like a tard and all of us are calling him on it…he is no primetime…some people have class others have a deep discount on a blower kit and act like a sore looser…
I don’t really see what all the fuss is about.
It is a simple case of a guy who is excited about receiving his product and trying to justify his choice. Nothing wrong with that as long as he got a quality product, which he did.
Big Deal.
I’ve read all the posts on both sites and it seems he is being picked on for attempting to bash JHM. I don’t see it. His comments, however clumsily made, seemed fair given his perspective.
As far as being the spokesman for APR in exchange for the install; Hogwash, as Arin has mentioned. I’m sure received nothing more than free service and labor in exchange for letting APR use his car. Pay for parts labor comped. Standard practice.
Any car guy looking to add a SC to their car will, or at least should, know all the ins and outs with their options. If he is making a stink about a few simple notches, who gives a fuck. The notches need to be done and should be disclosed to any prospective customer, regardless of the fact they are inconsequential. To FT, they are not inconsequential. That is his opinion and any person with half a brain realizes what opinions are like. Why make such a fuss?
This site, even if it is better than AZ, needs a better noise-to-content ratio.
What you just posted would be true if…fly ingredients wasnt caught bashing and jumping into threads for thepast year llooking for something to bash jhm about… nobody for a second has issues with people asking questions…its when fly ingredients has to cut a whole in his fire wall to run lines for his suspension but goes out of the way to say how minor work needs to be done for the blower install.
Again I don’t think you will find one person here that thinks apr would pay someone that stupid to post for them or even need to give discounts for people to post…at the same time every time he brings up an issie there is plenty things for others to bring up regarding him…
Come on RX, you and MDUBZ went back and forth on this very site when you are both getting a nearly identical setup…lol
This guy has been doing this stuff forever, he is part of the Mick, Ben, Daytona, QF crew. Most of their “issues” or “concerns” have been proven to be fabricated, blatant lies, or install errors by the owner or an indy shop.
I’ll save this for the other thread, but does anyone remember the guy that had an adjuster fail and FT was sure the tune made it happen? He is a joke, if he doesn’t like JHM products (except his shifter), then he could just decide not to purchase them, but instead he brings up shit over and over trying to muddy the waters and drag JHM products through the dirt.
You’re missing it,
Here…this may help. I didn’t want this thread to get polluted so I started a thread summarising. If you still think he is just a guy who likes his kit, and is clumsy in delivery of that like, so be it. I think you’re not aware of the whole situation. If you read the thread below and still think he is just a little clumsy, we will agree to disagree. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Guess you’re better at ‘street smarts’ marketing than book smarts…because that’s in every marketing book on earth 
Here’s what the wikipedia on my phone says. Good summary. Particularly good for this situation. I’ve bolded some of the funny parts.
[quote]The relationship is synergistic, with the customer having early (and sometimes unique, or at least uniquely early) access to an advantageous new product or technology, but he also serves as a kind of guinea pig.
In exchange for being an early adopter, and thus being exposed to the problems, risks, and annoyances common to early-stage product testing and deployment, the lighthouse customer is sometimes given especially attentive vendor assistance and support, even to the point of having personnel at the customer’s work site to assist with implementation. The customer is sometimes given preferential pricing, terms, and conditions, although new technology is very often expensive, so the early adopter still often pays quite a lot.
The vendor, on the other hand, beits from receiving early revenues, and also from a lighthouse customer’s endorsement and assistance in further developing the product and its go-to-market mechanisms. Acquiring lighthouse customers is a common step in new product development and implementation. The real-world focus that this type of relationship can bring to a vendor can be extremely valuable.
Early adoption does come with pitfalls: early versions of products may be buggy and/or prone to malfunction. Furthermore, more efficient, and sometimes less expensive, versions of the product usually appear a few months after the initial release (Apple iPhone).[2][3] The trend of new technology costing more at release is often referred to as the “early adopter tax”.[4]
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Guinea Pig = testing the kit at temperatures well below freezing. Nobody else did this. There was reference to some folks in Australia…not even close to what we see here in the northeast in a typical winter.
Particularly attentive support = Arin answering questions for Flying Tomatoes in threads
Customer given preferential pricing = self explanatory
Vendor beits from endorsement = flying tomatoes roaming the internet attempting to bash the competition and steer people to APR (although this may in fact be detrimental when the customer is a hypocrite and has no integrity)
More efficient and less expensive revisions = the inevitable $6,000 price drop the APR1740 kit will have…and if you go deeper, you could look at the updated version being the bummer for the TVSr1320 guys who paid $19,000 for that kit, only to see APR drop the price by $6,000 within 18 months…and then to see the TVSr1740 come out 2 years later at the same price they paid for the 1320 originally.
I saw a successful burn report…
Guilty as charged. Not the first time nor will it be the last. We also kissed and made up in the end :-*
I also apologized to the OP for jacking said thread and ended it right there. The real difference though is that it did not continue for very long, adding noise to multiple threads, on numerous forums.
I stand corrected.
I was not really aware of the history and after seeing his most recent post in 930’s thread in AZ and reading Sakis thread, I would have to agree with the rest of you.
At risk of ostracizing myself, you are too.
None of this changes the fact that there is way too much bullshit from both sides on this forum. You continuing to bash APR for pointless BS is the same thing FT is doing to JHM. Clearly you have tons of great input to add but I think you tend to loose focus on what really matters. Don’t get caught up in the trivial shit the poo-flingin-trolls fling at each other.
Sorry to the OP…again ;D
No risk. I am not sure I have bashed APR here? Where? We’ve done nothing but support APR on this site. Their fanboy is another issue.
I agree the trivial shit is less important but there’s no news if you haven’t noticed in a while on the forums. So, the trivial shit gets the attention.
Here’s the other side. Should we all sit back and say nothing? let people be influenced by FT’s bullshit? That would please you in theory because you claim the type of thread I linked you to etc shouldn’t happen. How about fuck no. I am glad this forum exists as an open place people can raise a beef about something they see and don’t think is right.
Last time I checked, you were out of touch with the facts on this…and then blasted your opinion in here, and supported FT. THAT is the kind of shit that gets one ostracized…and rather than sit back and watch you go down the same road a couple of others went, I created that thread I linked you to in order to air the history. Now that you’ve read it you have a completely different opinion on the situation. Funny how that is? The noise as you described it turned out to be facts that help. In fact the most recent ‘noise’ was your post that I quoted earlier.
RX-Heven at the expense of looking stupid here. I’ve seen no attacks on APR as a company. FT is giving them a bad situation to be in.
So 930chas…are you going to have a 93 tune? Is it as simple as slapping a tune on or does JHM need to give you a simple file before loading a final file on your car after some logging? Considered custom tuning by some.
What other supporting mods do you have? Clutch is 5r…how about exhaust etc? What wheels/tires do you have?
Saki, right now it has a 91 tune, but from what I understand…correct me if I am wrong Jake, the tune will adapt to 93 octane. Dan has said there will be a few revisions soon as well. I am hoping to put the car on a dyno in the next couple weeks and see what it is making.
The rest of the “performance mods” might be hurting the car, piggies with cats and Miltek non resonated exhaust. I will definitely switch to the full JHM 2.75" catless setup soon and try not to bottle neck up any power. Also, running stock wheels with Hankook tires.
The 91oct tuning will surely adapt to 93oct fuel. Once we have the 93oct tuning done it will be more optimized for that fuel though. That will be ready for you soon!
Jake
So, the car is done …and then we realized that we had mounted the a/c condenser too low in the fender well. :’( It is mounted basically right in the center when looking top to bottom and there is less then 3/8" clearance between the tire and the fender liner. So it was rubbing in just light driving, and rubbing more progressively as the wheel was turned. Both Denis and Dan’s cars are very low as well and theirs are mounted up top so that should solve that problem.
Other then that, the car started and drove perfectly. I mean perfect! I was tickled about that. No engine codes, no smoke, no drama. We let it sit and idle for a while to monitor fluids and no big dips in idle fluctuation. It just sat there and purred. It drives completely like stock. No surging, no bucking, again no drama. A short second to third gear pull was impressive, but not what I expected until I looked down at the speedo. Impressive! The power is very linear. It isn’t like a single turbo rush, it is a constant push in the back.
Again, kudos to JHM. This was the first kit that has been shipped out to a customer. Out of those two huge boxes, I was missing 3 screws (which I sourced from the local hardware store), and the resistors for the foglights and the front block off plate. Jake immediately took care of that and sent those items out to me. There were a ton of hoses, clamps, screws, etc in those boxes and I would have bet money we would be short on something and have to stop midway to wait for it to be shipped out. Not the case at all.
It is a busy weekend so the canister won’t be moved until Monday. Can’t wait to really get out and put some miles on it!