FWIW - reports of unexploded devices are now being denied.
Yes but when I posted that it was widely believed to be accurate. I was explaining why I called it amateurish looking yesterday afternoon.
^^ It still could very well be amateurish. Interesting that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility yet. That’s unusual if this was an attack coordinated by overseas groups.
This shit pisses me off. Sorry to hear about your family member Chris, I hope she pulls through alright and is stronger for it. I also hope they find the pussys that did this and throw them in cell block D with a bunch of giant black rapists that rape them to their cumfilled deaths.
I agree with # 2 but will respectfully disagree with #1 and 3.
Timing was off for the leaders but the bulk of the runners generally finish in the 4 hour time frame. The concentration of people is still very much the same, waves of people coming and going but certainly more runners will be present at this time, likely with similar crowds.
Comparing the number of hospital visits isn’t a fair assessment. 135 visits last year for a completed race which likely consisted of exhaustion, dehydration and other associated marathon ailments. How many runners actually completed the run this year, 75%? Then consider the number taken this year for medical attention and why. Severed limbs and other related injuries differ from the typical injuries from years past.
The number of deaths over a ten year period compared the deaths in this years race is an interesting perspective but not viable.
So Jupiter you’re saying that this was as bad as it could have been? I think you’re wrong.
The builk of runners finishing at 4 hours is not relevant. Most runners don’t have hundreds if not thousands of spectators on hand to see them. The leaders do.
The race is comprised of some of the fastest professional marathoners on earth, and various joe blows who meet the standard to qualify (which is pretty attainable). This would be tantamount to a golf tournament in which Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson are in the first group out, and you and me are in one of the last few groups. Sure our wives and family will be there when we finish 2 hours after Tiger and Phil…but the thousands of spectators there for the top folks will not be.
The police, the FBI and the marathon organizers all said that if this had happened an hour earlier it would have been quite a bit busier. Between 2hrs and 3 hrs is when it is busiest. Not at 4 hrs. If you haven’t noticed, the runners were for the most part unscathed. The bombs were off the course in spectator areas. Even if 10,000 runners were on the street in the immediate area at the time of the blasts, very few would have been injured by the bombs themselves. Go watch the videos. Only one runner appeared to be affected by the first blast. The old 78 year old man whose legs buckled. He was in perfect shape other than a scraped knee from when he fell. he was not hit with shrapnel as the media reported. He just fell down. The volunteers who were 20 feet closer to the blast were unhurt. The spectators who were near the Fairmont entrace were the ones who were hurt.
As for the comparison between last year’s race vs. this year’s bombing regarding hospitalizations, how can you ‘disagree’ with the facts? The facts are simple…despite this being a horrible event, reality is that the race itself in the heat last year took more people to hospital. We were lucky this wasn’t catastrophic. We lost 3 people…instead of 53. That is, again, fortunate.
Go do some research into bombs in markets in Pakistan. Hell, just look at the last 2 weeks. You will see that this 2 bomb blast attack in Boston would be the ‘best’ one with respect to minimizing casualties.
Oh hey look…16 dead yesterday!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22172219
Arrest made
I was in Pakistan for 3 months in 2010…I didn’t like being there for 10 minutes because suicide bombers aren’t easy to pick out, especially if their good or have a plan. I was only in Islamabad for a week but it was ironic that a few months after I left that they found Osama there…it made me think how much extra we were flying around while we were there. It was basically humanitarian missions because of the flooding, but honestly I felt from the beginning that we had ulterior motives, which we normally do.
Arrest un-made
All good points. I still find it interesting that no major terrorist group has claimed responsibility - that may suggest this was a lone bomber or at least a domestic group with no ties to an overseas organization.
Btw - CNN just backed off the reports of an arrest. So much misinformation going on right now. (Edit: sak, you beat me to it.)
It absolutely could have been worse, the amateurish homemade bombs is why we’re fortunate it wasn’t.
5,700 people did not finish and 170-180 were treated and or hospitalized with some cases far more dire. Facts are facts, so were comparing 135 vs. 170-180 with 25% fewer runners which equates to 104 hospitalized based on last years figure. 75% more injuries doesnt equate. I realize the runners weren’t affected as these were likely placed and intended for the crowds, which also discredits the comparison from 2012 to 2013.
We’re fortunate not to live in Pakistan and I have little desire to research bombs within these parts. Yes, it could have been worse, much worse.
170-180 were ‘injured’ in the bombing, not hospitalized. That includes small cuts, scrapes etc. Bandaids. There were far fewer hospitalized. The number of runners hospitalized last year however is hospitalized runners.
I don’t think you’re being careful enough with the details. Come on jupiter, you’re sharper. Is it really hot down there in Florida? Get some water and come back stronger.
Yea, it’s getting hot. I might grab a Gatorade or something.
No Canadians were injured while in Boston. 
I’m really not sure what you guys are debating this for. 9-11 could have been worse too if they had waited until later in the day and the towers were completely full.
Could it have been worse? Sure. Was it poorly thought out? Far from it.
If this bomber would have tried to drop these bombs off an hour or two earlier, there would have been absolutely no space to put them. Shoulder to shoulder people. It takes 15-20 mins to walk a block when the crowds are like that. How is someone supposed to drop a bomb off and still escape in that type of crowd? You might think it was amateurish, but coming from my perspective of having attended 5 of these marathons, and been at the finish line for 3 of them, their actions seem planned and calculated to me.
Also, the “amateurish” homemade bombs are a lot harder to trace. Higher grade explosives would narrow it down a lot more than some guy using gun powder from a sporting goods store. Granted, they do a lot less damage, but they still get the point across.
Finally, regarding the injuries, I’m not sure how you can consider 3 people dead, 14 people with amputated limbs, around a 100 hospitalized overnight, and about a dozen still in critical condition a day later to be anything near the same as the 100+ runners who were hospitalized due to heat last year. Being hospitalized for dehydration is something that takes time to fix, but isn’t that serious (and self-inflicted). Having your leg blown off or shrapnel embed in your body, totally a different level.
Chris - If you need anything well you’re here, feel free to hit me up.
From experienced first hand information. We were visited the past few days by swarms of government questions. .I wasn’t part of it. Seems they have had some leads from day 1. The bombs didnt or didnt seem to target the runers. While close enough to have been effected by the blast our case isnt being reported as part of the numbers. … I dont officially know that…this is what were being told.
Thanks guys the good wishes are helpful. Looks like all her issues will be fine bad concussion broken ribs cuts.
Being personal to me and hearing from the families of those effected. My amgger wants to aruge this wasn’t a complete failure for the terrorist. Any lives lots are loss of war and real damage was done. Still sakimano has a point. When you look at all the peolle and the potential for real mass damage this was vsry ineffective THANKFULLY. so many more peoole could have been effected given the amount of people. From what we understand more people were injured in the pannic then the blast.
I dont think we want to minimized the impack on what happened and one life child or adult is one too many. I definitely think the death penalty needs to be inforced on who ever is responsible. Looking at the impact it could have had I think we would all take a little victory in knowing many more were physically uneffected due to this not being as bad as it certinally could have
I went out of my way three times to say i wasn’t belittling the damage of people dying etc so I am not sure how you missed that.
However I was saying it could have been a lot worse. You agree that it could have. Great. A pair of bomb blasts like this in modestly busy areas was fortunately only enough to kill 3 people and maim another 20. When I first heard that two bomb blasts went off at the busy Boston marathon finish line I immediately thought ‘holy fuck this could be horrific’. It was, but on a multiple bombs in a busy place basis, it wasn’t in all honesty.
I also don’t think this was incredibly well orchestrated. If you do something like this for Al qaeda, you die. Simple. These amateurs however ran away from the scene. They will be caught and wish they had died.
FBI just released photos of two suspects.
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g368/kobe11mvp/image-3.jpg
They will most likely just off themselves
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Agreed…