tial 770's in the 11's!

B5 S4/ RS4
#141

Actually the 770 car was not running more boost… go read the OP 30 psi w/ the EBAY FMIC. And if you read the JHM thread they say they’re “around 30 psi” I’m going to say they were running more then 30 and not less.

Either way most of your post has been completely false.
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Well some of what he said was true.

E85 requires a much larger amount of fuel to acquire a power burn mixture. So there is a large benefit to E85 on spooling turbos in just the shear volume alone it takes to acquire a power burn… So you can expect a 500rpm (or more) earlier spool time. Not only that but due to this you can spool the turbos much faster due to the larger expel of exhaust. A good example. You can spool your turbos up faster by running rich on standard fuel for a few hundred RPM. Lets say on start of spool up you run a 9:1 A/F (JUST AN EXAGGERATED EXAMPLE) that will help spool up the turbos. The sure volume of fuel your using will be used to help drive the comp wheel. Much like what people do on a bang box. Where they shoot unburnt fuel threw the turbo to help spool the turbo at standstill. Take all that and realize that E85 has close to a 9:1 raito just for Iddle… That should say something right there. Or at least I hope it helped make my point

E85 also has cooling property yet it doesn’t work exactly how your saying. You have the idea and concept but Its a little complicated to explain in just a few paragraphs. Still While I would say what your saying is true that isn’t going to negatively effect as you have suggested.

E85 is worlds different then race fuels. As a compound fuel its Well beyond what your going to see with even the best race fuel. Being a turbo car E85 is the best way to go. It will help cylinder temps spool and over all power. While this isn’t meant to say you can’t use results from one to the other. It would definitely not be a apples to apples. 1 good example is the E85 RS6 car that judeisnotobscure has spoken about. Your not going to get those same 500+whp figures out of a standard race gas Rs6 car.

For the sake of conversation we all might want to take that into consideration.

For 100% clarification the JHM car was running the same volume IC but it was not running 30lbs of boost. It was 26lbs of boost. However you can argue that due to the JHM car having RS4 parts the pressure drop would equal that of say 28lbs.

#142

I certainly don’t know enough about the ebay FMIC etc. and it’s restriction to comment on it. I’ll just be an interested observer till we see what it does when that is improved.

My point regarding the race gas vs. meth/pump vs. E85 was more that none of them are a street/DD fuel (not really anyway although pump/meth is common) so none of it really paints a picture of the car as your DD and what it will accomplish. All of those fuelling solutions are somewhat track/race focused. What I do know about pump+meth is that it allows guys to run far more exciting tune parameters (don’t want to say aggressive because the words implications are that it’s reckless and if you’re able to be safe and push the car far harder well that’s not aggressive is it?) than a pump file…but how far they can push it vs. 100 octane (or 109 etc.) I don’t know. My thinking is pretty simple on that: If you’re running a race/track/strip only setup…well why not run your absolute best option (but lets not point to ‘he only had xxx’ as an explanation for results). It would be interesting to hear more on E85 vs. pump+meth and the pros/cons as well as running costs as a daily driver solution. Maybe it will open more eyes.

I’m really just an interested observer who gets frustrated when we see basically nothing but dynos from the tuners…then we see the tuners lean on their customers to go to the strip or do PBOX runs to sell their shit…then when the results are no good, everyone is left wondering what the fuck is going on.

Jason from AMD posted once that he wished the forums weren’t so focused on the quarter mile ‘because we all suck at it and it makes the cars look bad’. I thought that was weird. Does he mean that in all of Washington/Oregon/British Columbia (within a few hrs of his shop and his builds) there isn’t someone who knows how to launch a B5 and make 3 gear shifts? If that were my shop, I’d make damn sure I had a 10.6 @ 135+ pass on a 770 car just to tell everyone (like me lol) to read the timeslip and shut the fuck up. They advertise their 600-700 whp dyno sheets with alacrity, but in 2-3 years of these builds in development and coming to fruition, they still haven’t found anyone that can drive the car? Really?

[quote=Count Vohn]For 100% clarification the JHM car was running the same volume IC but it was not running 30lbs of boost. It was 26lbs of boost. However you can argue that due to the JHM car having RS4 parts the pressure drop would equal that of say 28lbs.
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I’d be inclined to accept this poster’s info on that detail lol.

#143

There are more then a few Methanol cars that don’t even run a cooling system because it runs so cool… Now I’m not saying Methanol = Ethanol especially with a blend like E85. But it says something about it IMO.

[quote]E85 is worlds different then race fuels. As a compound fuel its Well beyond what your going to see with even the best race fuel. Being a turbo car E85 is the best way to go. It will help cylinder temps spool and over all power. While this isn’t meant to say you can’t use results from one to the other. It would definitely not be a apples to apples. 1 good example is the E85 RS6 car that judeisnotobscure has spoken about. Your not going to get those same 500+whp figures out of a standard race gas Rs6 car.
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I find it hard to believe you cannot get 500+whp out of an RS6 car w/ racefuel… the RS6 isn’t that small of a turbo is it? I’m talking C16 here, not 100 or 110 BTW.

[quote]For 100% clarification the JHM car was running the same volume IC but it was not running 30lbs of boost. It was 26lbs of boost. However you can argue that due to the JHM car having RS4 parts the pressure drop would equal that of say 28lbs.
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So you’re saying the JHM car was running 26 psi (on the boost gauge) on 116 and made a 130 mph pass?

#144

Nothing wrong with dyno’s… I personally have a problem with load bearing dyno’s when it comes to numbers though… for me a DJ all the way if people want to have an e-fight about power numbers.

[quote]Jason from AMD posted once that he wished the forums weren’t so focused on the quarter mile ‘because we all suck at it and it makes the cars look bad’. I thought that was weird. Does he mean that in all of Washington/Oregon/British Columbia (within a few hrs of his shop and his builds) there isn’t someone who knows how to launch a B5 and make 3 gear shifts? If that were my shop, I’d make damn sure I had a 10.6 @ 135+ pass on a 770 car just to tell everyone (like me lol) to read the timeslip and shut the fuck up. They advertise their 600-700 whp dyno sheets with alacrity, but in 2-3 years of these builds in development and coming to fruition, they still haven’t found anyone that can drive the car? Really?
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It’s easy for you to say all that because you drive a stock car… making stockish power. Not a lot to go wrong.

Invest the amount of money that say Burningcoals has into his car for example… you wouldn’t just let anyone take the car down the track just to post a good time with it. If you say you would allow it, you’re a liar or you can really afford to loose the $20-30k that you just put into the car if it breaks under the hands of someone else.

I agree that it’s too bad not one TiAL car from EPL or AMD has been able to show what it can really do @ the track though. I am hungry for data just as much as you are. But I totally think you have the wrong attitude about all of this.

Ok so Count Vohn is a JHM employee?

#145

See, you’re assuming I’m demanding something of burningcoals…a customer. Absolutely not. If you re-read my post, the onus should not be on the customer. The onus should be on the tuner selling the system to back their dyno numbers up. Here’s what I said:

[quote=sakimano]I’m really just an interested observer who gets frustrated when we see basically nothing but dynos from the tuners…then we see the tuners lean on their customers to go to the strip or do PBOX runs to sell their shit…then when the results are no good, everyone is left wondering what the fuck is going on.
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If burningcoals wants to personally step in between something I post about AMD, that’s his prerogative…but nobody on this forum asked him to do that. We’re (not just here…AZ, everywhere) asking AMD and EPL to provide quarter mile times so we can be nerds and enjoy the data and compare to other stuff and have arguments. It’s just fun to discuss and look at. The dynos are useless for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the different types of dynos and the inevitable ‘you own the dyno…thus it’s tough to believe it’s 100% fair’.

Everyone loves seeing a test score. Why not these guys? Why are they trying to create a new standard test (60-130)? It’s just strange. Back on topic, I’m asking why they don’t take their own cars to the strip.

i.e. Jason@JHM bought a B5 S4 years ago so that he could have a car to test parts on and beat the fuck out of it. Dan @ JHM was a B5 owner who did the same. They have since focused on other platforms to make parts for…and bought those cars too. They have 2 B6 S4s including the fastest one in the world that ran 11.9 @ 116 full weight on straight pump, and a B7 RS4 that ran 12.2 with exhaust tune and clutch. They even bought a couple of B6 A4 3.0 cars too. Frankly I’m a bit surprised that AMD doesn’t own a single B5 S4. Is that possible? That can’t be true because I’m sure I’ve seen JasonAMD posting about his own B5, racing 996turbos and doing pbox runs in it.

Not to mention EPL…are you saying they don’t have a Tial B5 S4 between them?

#146

Notorious vr I fully agree the a rs6 car will be running strong but 560whp is a bit much to think that isn’t a bump in fuel

CV works for SVT and helps APR JHM VAST GIAC AND MTM IN THE past while still helping many other company’s that I’m sure I don’t know about

While you can ask your friend the factual results of what the count said I might say your friend and his answer might not matter when stacked up against the answer from the guy whom actually does this for the oem manufacture

#147

From the fueling standpoint countdown is beyond spot on the properties of alcohol (e85) go well beyond that of standard fuels and race prepared fuel. Volume wise e85 requires 40% more so by volume alone this has and will help turbo cars spool much much faster sooner this has been a practice in the race car game for over 50 years. Take that and add the ability to pull heat away with it You have two additional plus points that race fuels don’t have

When you look at the clasifacation of fuels alcohol e85 is in its own clasifacation so I wouldn’t say that your going to be able to say any car using e85 over race gas is a fare comparison

#148

Just an FYI. I’m not using my Tial 770s and I’m not getting GTs. I’m getting something “extra special”. :stuck_out_tongue:

#149

Very exciting. Just make sure to please help put your “extra special” parts through there paces so there isn’t the Tial speculation issues

#150

I’m dripunk

#151

On a Monday night? I haven’t been dripunk in a week.

#152

With customers s in florida

#153

Where in Florida?

#154

Will you be using a couple of Bullseye’s or maybe PT’s?

I am considering the Bullseye route once I have completed my single project, and maybe sold one of my FT builds. I have a perfectly good S4 just sitting in a garage waiting for some love

#155

Marco Island

#156

Oh. The other side. I’m on the east coast.

#157

Where on the east coast?

#158

Is that a new Apple product? Dr. iPunk.

#159

It is actually a captian Morgan product! Haha

#160

South. I’m Darth Vader’s brother Chad so I don’t want to reveal too much about my location.