tial 770's in the 11's!

B5 S4/ RS4
#261

what’s a diversionary tangent? This is a forum, not a war game. Or calculus.

I guess ChrisK has been heavily anti Tial. That’s cool. I just mentioned that your comments were a bit broad. You said

You guys are funny, tials are shit till proven otherwise but you can’t gobble this shit up fast enough now.

but it was pointed out that nobody is gobbling fuck all up, and the main guy you were talking about had just said ‘let’s wait and see the results’…and the one tial car that has kicked some ass was praised by a bunch of people on this forum, all supposed ‘tial haters’ and ‘jhm nutswingers’.

Then you say I’m off on tangents to divert attention from something? Like what…your comments that were way off base and too broad? Maybe be less suspicious and don’t paint with such a broad brush. If you think ChrisK is out of lline with his info, let him know (as you have). Don’t say ‘you guys’ and call half a dozen people shit-gobblers and make us sound like no-heads who believe everything we hear. I think you are underestimating the people on this forum. The reason so many people here are seen as ‘haters’ is because they call a spade a spade when they see one…like you used to do. The reason they are seen as JHM fanboys is because JHM is the only company out there trying to help the past 3-4 generations of performance Audis (S4 4.2, S5 4.2, RS4 4.2 etc.)

The real ‘shit gobblers’ are on AZ and quattroworld and will kneel before anyone who posts a trumped up dyno or FATS time, only to be disappointed later. You know how many people have called me a hater on those forums, only to months or even years later say ‘shit dude you were right, I got fleeced’ . It’s staggering…and it doesn’t end up in the forums, but that’s fine with me. For every 20 guys who call me a hater or a douche, if I can get through to a few guys and make them ask tough questions before freely giving their hard earned dollars or pounds to some tuning company, that will suit me just fine, and in my opinion having more people who demand more of these tuners can only help the community, not hurt it. We just need to weed out all the bitches. The domestic scene suffers from hardly any of this because it is far bigger and far more scrutinized. Heck same with the AMG scene and M scene. The Audi is the upstart, and the forums/tuners are in their infancy. It shows the way the forum members act and get fucked every 5 minutes.

#262

There is a disconnect somewhere, unless South Africa just joined the EU:

From JHM’s website:

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http://static.igossip.com/photos_2012/53/You_Dont_Say

#263

Hi all , my fist post on this forum and it’s a short question : which injectors should I use on 770 set up ?
just in case the car still in the limp mode with k04 tune and N75 disconnected runs 2.7 fats , 24 psi . Going to get it tuned next week with 95lb injectors and 90 mm MAF , thanks !

#264

Not to bring back any repressed memories for some, but JHM was the one that sold RP Turbos with many failures, so I don’t know how you can say what you did.

Also, one shop car going 10’s IS NOT proving itself or the turbos. Hell they went very fast on K03’s but destroyed the turbo in the process so that doesn’t mean that anyone who bolts on these turbos will be going 10’s out of the box. This is where taking 1/4 mile times will skew the facts quite a bit.

Again, if the RS6R’s hold up and prove themselves that would be awesome not only for JHM but for B5 owners as they then will have one more choice when it comes to turbos. But I feel some people are thinking this is the end all be all of turbos just because JHM went 10’s with them.

#265

injectors depends on the fuel you are going to run and you will peg a 90mm maf around 32-33 psi on 770’s

#266

Last I remember they were Canadian company or something (RP) and were a fucking disaster (the first batch anyway). Seemed to kind of just die after that.

With respect to RS6R turbos, I don’t think anyone considers them the be all and end all because there really is no be all and end all turbo. Anyone going stage III should know that. Every turbo will involve strengths and weaknesses.

The RS6 turbo setups have been great for a number of years, but for whatever reason people were not interested in what was great…they wanted to find out what else might be great. Passing up RS6 turbos for small GT or Tial builds…hybrids…you name it, everyone in B5 land wants the new thing, not the thing that is proven and works. K04 setups and RS6 setups are incredible, but somewhere along the way people stopped caring about performance and started caring more about giant power dyno builds. Then made boatloads of excuses when their cars were crap down-low where 99% of us do 99% of our driving.

JHM going 10s is certainly good for their setup and should not be ignored. It shows that in the face of pressure and demands from customers for results, they were able to deliver. As we discussed above, that doesn’t warrant a purchase from me…I like to see other joe-schmos doing well with the product and seeing some longevity out of it before I consider it a winner…but at least we’ve got evidence on the shop owned car that they’re able to produce.

To that end, I can’t think, for the life of me, of another B5 S4 tuning company who proved something on a B5 S4 that they owned in the last few years. Maybe VAST with their GT kit years ago when they got kicked out of LaPeer for trapping 135 with no safety equipment? I guess the 4.2 world got pretty demanding and now we’re spoiled becuase nobody respects anything until the shop, on their car, shows us something.

JHM did it with the B6 every step of the way, including going 11s a couple of years ago with their supercharger.
APR did it with their RS4 supercharger kit going 11s the next day, and their S5 supercharger going 11s a month later.
TTS did it with their supercharger kit going 11.4 @ 124 a couple of months ago.

The other companies (PES, VF, unitronic, GIAC, etc) have been all but laughed out of the marketplace if they come in boasting big gains, then don’t show us any proof other than a dyno. Hopefully the B5 world gets a little more demanding.

#267

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I’m sorry what? Why are K04 and RS6 setups so “incredible”? Because they’re the only ones that have decent 1/4 mile times? Honestly you need to get off that bandwagon, it’s really getting old now. It’s the only thing you seem to hang on to.

Maybe if you had a fast car that actually makes some real power would you understand why these things happen. You can’t only look at 1/4 mile data (well I guess YOU can) but that’s not the way the world works. There ARE other performance measurements. And K04 and RS6 setups will only take you so far.

#268

K04 and RS6 setups do well at the quarter mile, in street races, in highway pulls, and in daily driving. They are proven to be great options for the B5. Who on earth said ‘quarter mile is the only data we can look at’? Other than you I mean.

Yes, you’re right…because I only own a slow B7 RS4 I don’t know anything. Maybe I should sell it and buy 5 Tial stage III B5 S4s…then I’ll be smart like you. Last time I checked your B5 was only 5 tenths better than my ‘slow’ RS4 last time both cars were at the strip. You must be a speed genius! Does your 605 car running 12s and trapping in the teens make you smart somehow? a.k.a. your car was no better than APR stage III B5 S4s from 8 fucking years ago. Get off your high horse superstar.

#269

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I’m pretty sure you won’t answer this question without giving multiple excuses. I might be wrong, but, How many times have you ran your tial 605 car down the 1/4 mile track and what were your times???

Before you say you can’t remember, can you just please try your best to remember. Thank you

#270

He went 3 or 4 times and probably made 20 or so passes, maybe more

First time I was there and he went 11.98 @ 116 as his best. I believe it was a pump + meth tune.
Last time I was also there and he went 12.something @ 118 or so as his best. I believe it was a pump only tune.

He posted all about them online…no hiding.

#271

I think there have been more situations of a car or shop proving themselves than that.

Honest question, what would you rather see, my personal car trapping 135+ full weight, trapping 130 on pump full weight or a customers car doing any of the same? I am seriously trying to figure out what validates hardware in your eyes since in my opinion you are kinda back and forth on the topic. What sets standards of unit capability perception as opposed to records? Records are thrown out as high achievements, standards in my eyes are more like something that any person who can sorta drive can do. Like saying a stage 3 b5 s4 on race gas should be able to run ateast 12 flat at 119 or something is likely wrong with it.

I bring up my car simply because it is one of these new things. It seems to work pretty good, only issues I have run into are due to my ability to rev way higher and were clutch related. I am a huge proponent of new, why aren’t you?

I still love ko4s, rs6 stuff too just I have done less of them, most guys going to them mentally end up settling on bigger. I am really excited for this new option. I have a customers car in the shop that is a great candidate and looking for 605 performance for a little less $.

Also saki as a last thought, please stay on topic with the b5 s4, I try to refrain from cluttering up convos in the b6/b7 forums by posting nonsensical unrelated stuff. I get that your posts might have less stuff in them but if the point is there we will respect and hear them all the same.

Faw, go troll someone who doesnt go to the track. Like yourself.

#272

I would DEFINITELY get more excited seeing a customer do it than seeing you do it, however I would be very fucking concerned if you refused to do it. Know what I mean?

I outlined this a few posts back. When I bought my B7 in early 2008, I almost bought a supercharger kit from VF Engineering before a bunch of guys said ‘slow down cowboy…they haven’t proven a fucking thing yet’. So I waited and asked VF to take the car to the strip and throw up some timeslips to validate the dyno. I spoke to Nik directly. I spoke to a sales guy. Both assured me they would.

Then the weather wasn’t right.
Then the clutch couldn’t hold the power.
Then the replacement clutch got delayed.
Then they disappeared from the forums. (That was early 2009.)

That’s when I started looking at JHM bolt ons, however I waited for other guys like me to show some race videos, pbox data, timeslips, gtech data etc. before I felt confident that JHM wasn’t full of shit (I had never heard of them before 2008 since I didn’t own Audis). Once I saw half a dozen customers doing as well as JHM had, I bought their parts, and was very happy. Then I started posting my own data, which was also just as good as JHM’s.

As far as records vs. good results, everyone knows that there are outliers. Hell my bone stock RS4 went 12.75 @ 108.36, which is a full tenth faster than anyone else on earth (that we know of) has gone. I don’t think the ‘standard’ RS4 stock time is 12.75. I think it’s certainly capable with a good launch and decent shifting, but 12.80-12.95 is more realistic. With a shit driver 13.30-13.55 is more realistic. It’s not the standard, nor is my 12.75 in killer DA. The standard to me that defines a product is what people like me are able to do with it, not Jason at JHM with his limitless budget.

HOWEVER I sure as fuck think Jason @ JHM (or whomever) better step up first to show us what the car can do. Rather than hiding from the forums and leaving the performance testing to be demanded of his customers…then throwing those customers under the bus when they have shit results, saying their driving is the problem, not the parts. Fuck that noise. That’s bullshit.

#273

You say it all the time… if the 1/4 mile time doesn’t reflect other performance data you go off your rocker. Just stating the facts.

[quote]Yes, you’re right…because I only own a slow B7 RS4 I don’t know anything. Maybe I should sell it and buy 5 Tial stage III B5 S4s…then I’ll be smart like you. Last time I checked your B5 was only 5 tenths better than my ‘slow’ RS4 last time both cars were at the strip. You must be a speed genius! Does your 605 car running 12s and trapping in the teens make you smart somehow? a.k.a. your car was no better than APR stage III B5 S4s from 8 fucking years ago. Get off your high horse superstar.
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5 tenths is a lot as you start to lower your time. If you were running 14’s and I was running 13.5’s then you would have a case.

FWIW, my car trapped 120 mph when I went 12.0 and 11.9 that day… I know my 11.9 slip doesn’t reflect it but it was proven by multiple cars and ones that are super consistant that the left lane was reading 3-4 mph slow (which is where I did my 11.9).

That my car wasn’t any better then a PJK04 car is no surprise when you’re learning by doing and have certain hardware issue. Some may think it’s an excuse but it’s not, it’s just the path I took. It was going to take me time to really be able to show the potential and I was getting somewhere with it as my pump only tune this year was almost as strong as my pump+meth tune last year at the same boost level none the less.

#274

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Dig up the answer yourself… Everything about my build was documented in a few places. Use the power of the internet and your brain to figure it out. No excuses, never anything to hide my build and my achievements was an open book.

#275

5 tenths is a lot as you start to lower your time. If you were running 14’s and I was running 13.5’s then you would have a case.

FWIW, my car trapped 120 mph when I went 12.0 and 11.9 that day… I know my 11.9 slip doesn’t reflect it but it was proven by multiple cars and ones that are super consistant that the left lane was reading 3-4 mph slow (which is where I did my 11.9).

That my car wasn’t any better then a PJK04 car is no surprise when you’re learning by doing and have certain hardware issue. Some may think it’s an excuse but it’s not, it’s just the path I took. It was going to take me time to really be able to show the potential and I was getting somewhere with it as my pump only tune this year was almost as strong as my pump+meth tune last year at the same boost level none the less.
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ever think that maybe the right lane at Cayuga reads 3 mph high? Nobody wants to think that.

Your car was a high 11 second car to a low 12 second car. You might have made 400-425 whp / 400 wtq. That’s nice, but not fast in this world where stock AMG and M 4 door TRUCKS are running times like that and making 80 more to the wheels…and being a care that ran 11s by 2 one hundredths sure as fuck also doesn’t give you the right to be the determinant of who knows what on forums and act like because my car ‘only’ makes 420 hp to the crank I don’t know what I’m talking about. Give your head a shake.

I “go off my rocker”/call it out if someone flashes their dyno around and talks all kinds of shit about how great they are, but won’t back it up with the global universal standard acceleration test. I go off my rocker if a tuner boasts X whp in order to sell shit to guys like you and I, but when tested, their cars perform like they’re making X - 100 whp. You act like I own a tuning company and am calling these guys out to put money in my pocket. Opposite…I’m calling people out to keep money in consumers’ pockets until the tuners’ products are PROVEN. One day you and a lot of other people will figure that out.

#276

I planing on start with pump gas , I’d like to get it running on E85 , but my fuel set up is twin 044 pumps and the are not designed for E85 , should I push it harder then 32-33 psi ? Thanks for reply BTW.

#277

That would be great if I didn’t have a known factor that night which was a friends Skyline in which his trap speeds were correct in the right lane from previous and even track days after that matched the right lane and not the slower showing left lane that day

#278

that right lane has ALWAYS been said to read 3 mph higher than the left for cars that trap teens and above. It’s not a new thing. Google it…you’ll see guys on domestic forums talking about that in 2001. That’s why there’s always a bigger line up there. Faster ET left lane, faster MPH right lane. .

Something else to think about is this: if you’re launching well (which you were) why is your ET so fucking terrible when you’re trapping 118 mph? Running 12.20 and trapping 118 means either the driver is fucking up, or the trap is a little off. Since you drove find in that right lane all those times, ever think that there might be something up? I’ve been to Cayuga 20 times and always hear guys talk about this phenomenon. For whatever reason it has never affected my times/traps. They’re pretty consistent left to right. Last time there I ran 12.75 @ 108 in the left and 12.82 @ 108 in the right.

p.s. Didn’t you have an amazing MPH in your K03 car in that same right lane? something like 112…when just about no K03 on earth has trapped 112 without destroying their turbos (as you said about Dan@JHM)? Starting to see the picture here?

#279

That’s not enough injector for e85 imo, it wil be fine for pump gas… you would need to run about 6-7 bar fpr for e85. Get some 1200
's and run 4bar. You will want a larger maf housing to run over 33 psi. I would suggest 95 to 100mm.

#280

thank you , I’ll check the options.