Tial honeymoon..over? Lots of failures discussed

B5 S4/ RS4
#1

This is a bit of a waterfall moment where suddenly about a dozen stories of turbo failures are popping up. Seems the guys are finally speaking out and not keeping the stories to themselves.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509323

Here is an interesting post from the fastest tial car ever…

[QUOTE=AielloS4]TiAL turbos are junk, Ive seen these fail on a friends 605 car and customer 605 cars…id stay away from anything tial turbo
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when asked about his 770s, he said they are gone and he is going in a different direction.

It is interesting…the failures were discussed here on this forum a year ago…i.e. The fact that there have been lots of premature smoke ejaculating tial turbos, but when that information was posted here a small brigade of tial/amd/epl guys denounced those claims as impossible and “just hate”.

Seems this site was, again, a year ahead of the curve.

#2

Looks like Jupiter got the shaft too. He’s a really calm nice guy…so he must have been really pissed to post this.

[QUOTE=Jupiteraudi]I had a 605 fail after 15k miles. They were on the car just over a year. Frankly, I’m not happy with Tial at all. I’m not one to do my own work b/c I’m not skilled in that manner so this only adds to overall costs associated with such a failure. EPL tuned the car, because those ******s are in bed with Tial it helped eliminate the possibility of blaming it on some unorthodox tune but it didn’t help the overall outcome.

The first reply from Tial is below: There are others I can add later but this sums up their reply:

I spoke with USP about how one was not spinning at idle and the car was having a hard time on boost. Told him to send the turbos in.

[I]when we received the turbos in the bearings and turbos themselves felt great, I had my guy take them apart to see if we could find anything that would prevent them from spinning at idle…this is what we found (see attached)

that particular bank of the engine had/has an oiling issue, breather or drain or both, oil was pushing and building up behind the heat shield which eventually forced the heat shield into the turbine wheel, grinding them both down then what was left over took out the fins of the turbine wheel (FOD).
What weight oil are you running?

Due to the findings, this is not a warranty issue unfortunately - however the cost to fix is not great as you only need one journal bearing CHRA and possibly a re-skim of the [/I]

The entire situation pisses me off and I’m sorry to hear your turbo life span was far less than mine.

Edit: Didn’t realize this forum was sensored, weird and pathetic.
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[QUOTE=Jupiteraudi]In my case they didn’t.

I wanted to prevent as little down time as possible. (I also do about 12 track events per year) I opted to order 770’s prior to the motor being pulled, 605’s sent to be inspected and ultimately their decision to not warranty their product and also charge me to repair the failed one, btw my passenger side was the one that failed.

I ordered 770’s in hopes they might be more inclined to provide some sort of credit or additional consideration regarding my previously premature failure. Would you replace a 605 with a 605 after the initial one pooped out in the 12k mile range? I found the paperwork indicating it was just over 12k miles. I think most would opt for a different turbo and manufacturer, well my dumb ass didn’t.

I think the above only makes Tial look worse.

OP, if you need any info regarding the contacts I spoke with let me know!
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#3

I’ve been following that thread and waiting with baited breath for people to speak out on the TIAL’s.

I personally worked on/helped build a 650R car that blew it’s motor and turbo’s shortly after turnover to the owner, also have a friend that is currently sending back his second passenger side turbo with what appears to be a failed seal. This car has seen no more than 2000km on 2 sets of TIAL’s at 23-24psi

I agree there have been many failures, no one ever talks about them, it’s as if they are afraid of the fallout that will come.

#4

Well just look at any Tial thread we have started on this site to discuss

a) failures
b) performance that doesn’t match the dyno

Anyone who posts or asks a question gets attacked and labelled a hater…and that’s here on AR. On Audizine you would get lynched much worse.

Now the only ones speaking out against the guys who have posted their concerns is Sexican, with little to no contribution other than to post a video of how ‘fast’ his car is (and yes, he is still dodging the strip) and his little sidekick mouthpiece Peter 1.8T, who has a fucking K03 B5, and tries to slam guys in the thread who have spent thousands on blown turbos and engine pulls. Awesome feedback.

Looks like the tide is turning against the Tials even on AZ.

I hope Jason Sowers feels silly for posting this not even a month ago…

[QUOTE=jasonsowers]605’s dont need a warranty. No case of failures.
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Also, karma seems to have bitten jupiteraudi in the ass. On the thread pureEvil started about his failed Tial 605s here on AR, jupiter was saying the thread ‘smelled funny’…only to have his own Tial 605s fail on him 8 weeks later.

#5

Dude, everything else aside, pureevil was a fucking fake. Trolley McTrollertons are obvious and that account was one.

BTW, I’m building aiello a single kit, will be done in a few days. 1000 HP here we come…

#6

nice one!

that will be interesting to see. Hopefully it doesn’t put your car on the back-burner.

#7

^^^ sure did, though I was referring to the OP and his relatively vague details smelling funny. I was looking for additional info and a possible cause. Well, the fact is, shortly after I had my own situation/failure which is also indicated in the last post of the same thread.

Oh well, can’t do anything about it now except share my experience with others.

#8

Where is jibb to tell us we are all hate mongers. Where is tweets to tell us how great these turbos are. You know evebntho he ttied to make it look better his TIAL Turbos wre blown

I don’t know. I think Pure was a real guy tring to hide under a different name so he didn’t get back lash. I know there are too many guys that had failures. I think this site gave and gvives people a chance to speak free. Im sure it wont be the fgirst time guys come here under a different name to speak free.

Lets make sure to capuure as many quotes and failures as possible for future guys

#9

yeah, a bunch of people have signed up here under pseudonyms because they want to speak out about an issue, but don’t want to get raped when they go back to the larger sites.

#10

Na, the rebuild on mine will be done this week too, I was waiting for his turbo from comp for a few weeks and it allowed me to get a lot done, was also waiting on parts for my car so the jig car and mine are sitting side by side. His kit is sick, different than what I run because he went with a bigger turbo.

#11

jfonz tuned for him still?

#12

Yes on the tuning, as far as I know.

As far as the comments on people using different names here to protect themselves from backlash… Wtf ever, talk about the true mark of being spineless. Real mean say what they feel and stand by it. That shit disgusted me, then again I would rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not.

#13

Oh geez, my customer john just made a post over there that’s going to cause me some shit. I think he thinks he is helping, it doesn’t.

#14

what’d he write?

edit: I think I’ve sniffed it out!

lol

http://i45.tinypic.com/24g6l35.jpg

#15

He took a shot at someone saying they love the 034 stk but it basically turned into a shot at 034 and then pimped me. I don’t want to beef with them. Fucking forums.

#16

He’s a customer, he is not you. If they (034) can’t see that , they’re being shortsighted.

#17

that motor picture is pretty sweet

#18

I know, it just wouldnt be the first time and i am trying to be cohesive these days. No good comes from tuner battles. Earlier this year when I took a few cracks at max it was turned into me hating 034 which I don’t at all.

Anyway back to the tial discussion…

A few guys in that thread aren’t very clear about what turbos of theirs blew but I think atleast two are on franken turbos. I have said it before and I will say it again, the turbos themselves are fine. There are a lot of shitty so called mechanics out there and shitty tunes, dumb owners and so on.

I did have one set of 605s come through my hands that smoked a little and they are being upgraded to the v2 by tial. We don’t have the full story on some of these situations by any stretch of the imagination. Jupiters for instance doesn’t even make sense, but we also all know the factory drains do get clogged. I wish I had the finances to fly all over the country and be a inspector of sorts, I bet 9 times out of 10 you would find out shops fuck stuff up and lie to the customers to pass blame. Does anyone else remember how many people left drain plugs in and roached ko4s?

#19

^^^ Chris Green (USP) also said Jake’s explanation didn’t make sense either.

In another e-mail Jake inquired about what weight oil I was using. I was using 0-40, he told me to ditch the 0-40 and use 15-50… Have you ever heard of such an issue?

#20

^^^reminds me of Kramer on Seinfeld when he ‘fixed’ Elaine’s neck and won her bike, only for her neck to seize up the next day. When she complains and mentions she was sleeping in her bed, he said ‘WHAT? You should be sleeping on a board for three or four days’ (even though he never mentioned that before).