Tial Turbos suck.

So maybe they don’t suck. IT was a great way to start the thread. Seems if you want to talk about tial turbos on some sites the guys that pissed there money away on them will get mad and want to fight you tooth and nail about how fast they are or how great they are. The defenders of the tial turbos consist of two catigorys.

The ones that wasted there money on tials
The ones that want to think the money there saving won’t be wasted on the Tial turbos. (comments are made more for jokes then anything)

ok… lets just see how great they are.

11.9 @ 116.8 - NOTORIOUS VR - Tial 605 B5 S4, 94 octane + WM, self tuned
12.1 @ 121.3 - p16.d4 - Tial 605 B5 S4, 92 octane+meth, stage III proper
12.3 @ 116.9 - fastallroad - Tial 605 C5 allroad, 94 octane, stage III proper
12.3 @ 113.2 - SMALPS (youtube) - Tial 605 B5 S4, 93 octane, modlist unknown (1.69 60’ but low MPH = stage 3 minus probably)
lets not forget
The ‘most powerful Tial S4 in the world’ REALLY flopped. Ran mid 12s

ok… not so great… end thread? No.

Lets talk some facts. From what Ive seen and Im sure some of my fellow facts first members can help. So far the only fast going on with the Tial cars is if your going over 80mph and your running over 35lbs of boost or more.

Also The Tial turbos are nothing new. They have been out for about 5years. Of that 5years the first 3 or so. All Tial turbos either blew up or made no boost. Then the following months from then. None of the Tial turbos would make less then 30lbs of boost. So these dam things have been nothing but a trash can of issues.

BUT NOW There a hot topic… why… MONEY… They are cheaply made. Not talking so much the materials so much as Im talking about the cost. The mark up on these things are enough to make the smaller need money shops want to jump on this and make a large profit. While there is still a large amount of money to be made on these things there still is room for them to be considered cheap by end consumers.

So. Do tials have anything good to offer. They do offer a replacement turbo option for the 2.7T. They can make power when your running 30+lbs of boost. The issue is that power isn’t represented as what would be useful on the street.

When you can’t muster a 11sec time slip in the 1/4 mile but you can “supposedly” make 500whp. Then you have a ko4 car that makes less then 440whp and there able to go into the 11’s with a mid 120mph. Something just isn’t adding up… or is it…

Yes it will add up. The tial turbos do real well at higher speeds. That is where you see anything test wise that supposedly is impressive and thats where every single Tial video that your going to see on the net is going to be. At speeds well over posted speed limits.

In short if the tial turbos only do run good at large boost and much taller MPH then most would consider useful. THATS FINE. Lets just admit thats whats going on. As that is what seems to be the issue. Its a 2.7T motor pushing the Tial turbos is going to take some work. Maybe the formula will be different with the more worked up 3.0 motors

Just seems like alot of fighting on something when the facts seem to point to less then exciting results.

11.9 @ 116.8 - NOTORIOUS VR - Tial 605 B5 S4, 94 octane + WM, self tuned
12.1 @ 121.3 - p16.d4 - Tial 605 B5 S4, 92 octane+meth, stage III proper
12.3 @ 116.9 - fastallroad - Tial 605 C5 allroad, 94 octane, stage III proper
12.3 @ 113.2 - SMALPS (youtube) - Tial 605 B5 S4, 93 octane, modlist unknown (1.69 60’ but low MPH = stage 3 minus probably)
lets not forget
The ‘most powerful Tial S4 in the world’ REALLY flopped. Ran mid 12s

hmmm they all seem to be good points, and the last couple of days with B5 guys getting hurt prooves that the tials are not all that they are cracked up to be.

Maybe we need to look at what might be a better replacement for the Tials. GT’s are not suitable for the street and K04’s while quick they are getting to their limit quickly (well maybe not RS6’s), but what other turbos would be good for the 2.7T

Good post Chris. For a well sorted daily drivable low 12’s car, it looks like RS6 turbos might be the way forward.

Either way, the B5 guys poke fun at the JHM stage 1 sc kit being $9k but in reality it probably costs them the same to get the same.

I think the RS4 K04 turbos would be the choice for a well sorted daily driver that can run high 11s/low 12s in high teens on reasonable boost on pump gas (as long as you have JHM tuning…otherwise the results will be all over the place).

I think the RS6 turbos are more suitable if you want to take it to the next level. Built motor, 2.8 heads etc. Start to push some serious power.

The Tials though…I just don’t understand them. For the record, I started that giant argument thread on audizine under an alter-ego so I wouldn’t be perceived as starting a flame war by the B5 guys. If sakimano started the thread, they’d shit a brick. If some random ‘just browsing’ started the thread, well they might listen to the original post and turn it into something constructive. I got tired of seeing all the Tial apologists making excuses for why the cars were not performing down low, and the fact is the biggest knock on a turbo for the B5 is if it is weak down low and has trouble spooling. It didn’t make sense though that the Tials guys weren’t noticing this…until I asked for timeslips, and FORCED them to realise this.

I’m sure Tials are good for something, and there was a Tial A4 that ran 11s at one point (the old big turbo that was replaced by the 770) but I really just don’t get the big conspiracy to squash this kind of discussion. My thread lasted 6 months with 4 pages of people getting excited for low 12 second quarter mile times. I guess the benchmark has moved pretty damn low for the B5 world, because I remember when a 12 second car was no big deal.

Chris, but why does AMD’s 770 s4 dyno 775 awhp at 44 psi and still go 12.4 @ 128?

must be the driver. Or because the gearing in a B5 S4 isn’t optimal for racing (lol on that one).

Those are the two most popular current excuses in the B5 Tials thread…the gearing one being the best because people don’t understand what they mean thus they go ‘Yeah, shit. Must be our gearing!’

Strange though that it’s only the Tial cars that suffer from gearing in the B5 world. The B5 4.11 gears were perfectly fine when guruman went 10.5 140+ mph and when jaybquick went 10.8 @ 134 the other day lol.

I think the problem is more than clear, I don’t know why you’re even bothering with the debate anymore.

what a retard. The 1/4 mile is a great test of how a car goes from a stop and rips through 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th (and 5th if you’re really moving).

60-130 is a great test of how your car performs should you ever decide to race a big power supra or a 911 GT2, because those are the only speeds/gears those guys can get any traction in at all. And those are the guys (on 6speedonline) who created the 60-130.

Further, the 60-130 is the second half of the quarter mile basically…just without the launch and 1-2 gears. Not sure why they act like it’s a completely foreign thing, the quarter mile. The only difference is it’s a 60-130 pull with the additional performance evaluation of how the car does in 1st and 2nd. Likewise, the 60-130 test is a measure of performance that omits the most popular and most chatted about performance characteristic of every car on earth…the 0-60 time.

There’s a reason Road and Track’s cover story last month was about who is the fastest car in the world from 0-60mph…and there’s a reason every auto manufacturer on earth reports the 0-60 or 0-62 mph time of a car…BECAUSE IT’S RELEVANT!

Jason:Addict is one of the biggest tards. He argues with himself it seems and his posts don’t make a whole lot of sense.

I really like the gearing excuse. That’s the biggest heap of shit in the books. It’s not like the V8 cars are designed for the track, thus not having perfect ratios for the dragstrip so can we use that excuse too? It’s like they are saying that Audi gave us V8 guys drag ratios.

yeah, even though tthe B6/B7 gearing sucks

they’re funny guys.

Cause it’s closer to chp. When a customer says I want 700whp and that customer spends 30+k you give it to him no matter what :wink:

Didn’t JHM go low 12ss around 113mph in a KO3 car lol

The only thing that make that hp figgure possible was owning the dyno and being desperate for publicity. That car is about as much of a 700whp car as my Citation…

For effect this is a large laugh. It was made as a joke and sent to me. So forgive the fact it wasn’t ment for the net…

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatorcf65a18ac64eec05fba7005cc0ce2725d382ca51.jpg

I did make this one tho

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatora5a1f20342307ac0717dab6fa0c918c7e2018e7a.jpg

^^ ROFL. Very nice.

can’t see those…

Trying to get this showing for the saki

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatora5a1f20342307ac0717dab6fa0c918c7e2018e7a.jpg

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatora5a1f20342307ac0717dab6fa0c918c7e2018e7a.jpg

^Can’t see anything

x2 on ChrisK’s

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