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x4 Demotivational Fail
Wait… You have a Citation…? Does it still run??
x5 … come on we believe in you ;D
for those that didn’t see it and or them… By popular demand
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and then this one… As I said before its not my creation but its gold.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6688045655_79c9430fb4_b.jpg
Runs about as good as a Tial 770car… Its loud makes a bunth of racket when you hit the gas it takes for ever and sounds like its fast but all your doing is spitting out smoke and making a buntch of noise
You missed 2…
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Hahahahahaha love that last one meistah
Funk, that first one is great, and so is that last one mestah, nice work booooooYYYS!
I think the Tial Idea is solid. Did it work, seems to be the issue. I remember looking at the Tial turbos when they FIRST came out and they looked like crap. There was just so many flaws. The exhaust wheel was blocked the case looked wrong the waste-gates were too small.
Still the concept was and still is great. The guys that worked on the project were very smart and very dedicated to making them work. I know the one guy that was very very into getting these built one of the pioneers if you will. He had lots of Ideas that Tial just wouldn’t implement due to money.
Im very sure lots have changed from when I first saw them. The Tials have been out for a very long time. Not ko4 or RS6 long time but they have been around for several years. Thats good to know because there have been lots of flyby night turbos that just didn’t work.
Do the Tials really suck? I just see too much scattered data. If were being honest B5s are hard to gauge. Each build and each car is different. You can spend a untold amount of money building a B5 only to mess up the entire build when you don’t know that you have phantom bent valves. Its almost impossible to see unless you tear down the heads.
So it would be more fair to give the Tials a longer leash then the 6 times posted. I will admit that saying you have a 700whp car and then not easily getting into the low 11s is really IMHO hurting the case for the Tials being a true powerhouse for a all around turbo.
I fully agree. I think the conversation might need to be changed to the 1/4 mile isn’t the best way to test the Tials best feature. or to show the Tials best side.
The fact that the GT2 and supra guys can’t get traction till 50+mph really makes the 60-130 test appealing. Fact is tho, the Tial turbos cars don’t have this issue and they look like they don’t start making power till 60 so there is a big difference in why this test isn’t useful for most of the S4 guys.
Flat out there are some impressive videos of the Tial cars racing at much higher RPMs and much higher Mph. Seems like what we have been shown is the Tials work great when there high-strung and in higher RPM. So maybe there not the Best 1/4 mile turbo this isn’t to kill the argument againsed them. It just shifts the conversation to the possibility that there a better big boost big RPM turbo.
In the end I see it like this. Selecting a turbo for a supra is a match what you want game. What is the time difference between a 700whp supra and a 1200whp supra in the 1/4 mile?
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Nothing.
They both have almost the same times (most of the time) The 700whp supra gets out of the line and to mid track much much quicker. The 700whp supra even makes it to the 1000ft mark with lots of room to spare. Its actually in the last 200feet that the 1200whp supra starts to even close in. Its only in the last 50ft that the 1200whp supra is even with in a car of the 700whp car. At the 1/4 mile line they are both neck and neck. Travel another 20feet with both cars WOT and the 1200whp car will be 5 lengths ahead go another 20 feet after that and the 1200whp car is almost 15 lengths ahead.
So maybe It looks like the new RS6 generation turbos are the 700whp supra and the Tial 7 series turbos are the 1200whp supra.
yes count but the fastest trapping tial car is a 770 car with supposed 775 whp and it goes 128, how does the rs6 car do 130+ ? it just doesnt make sense. i dont think they can even keep up PERIOD with the rs6 cars. they just are that good. and for the goot running 28 cars, real 28 cars, forget it.
except the asp gt28 cars lol. saw one at englishtown driven by eurostile that jerk off. full 2.8, 2.8 heads, cams everything you could do to a b5, run…12.2 @ 122. that was also on 29 psi lol
and i think the biggest problem with the tials is the use of the stock manifolds and turbine housing inlet being so that it could work with stock manifolds. its like any other eiliminator kit on the market, they’ll make power over stock, but wont make the true potential of the turbo because of that bottle neck and its not so much the manifold but the flange being so small its like trying to take a huge shit after Cracker Barrell through a cocktail straw. thats why the real 28 cars make big bone crushing power and accelaration and are absolute rockets and trap 130 plus. the tial cars, no matter how hard you try, will never do it. 44 psi to get 775 whp supposedly and then trap 128? for 44 psi?! think about that
you guys should PM those to NYCVR6. He’d get a laugh out of them.
yeah seems the big boost numbers are a result of trying to cram so much air through the tiny exhaust side… its all a big loop
yea its all about a good efficient setup which those are not. you dont need 50 psi to make power. look at my blower, 6 psi and im up what, 100 whp? and thats non intercooled! the saddest part is how that one idiot on the tial thread on az was cracking jokes that im getting excited to run 1 bar of boost. well douche bag, maybe if you take your head out of your ass youll realize that if you are running less boost in order to make more power, that it means you have a much more well thought out and efficient setup than the next guy running double the boost for the same power
yeah, B5 guys use boost as a substitute for a measure of power. They seem to assume everyone runs the same manifolds and everything. It’s kind of funny. The fact that Notorious VR would make that silly comment about your car is a bit weird. I thought he was smarter than that. How can he draw a parallel from a supercharged V8 with a massive blower, an 82mm throttle body and an efficient as hell set of headers etc vs. the B5 2.7T standards of a 70mm throttle body and the brutal old school exhaust manifolds…and think it means a fucking thing? Your car is on 6lbs of boost and ran exactly the same time as his on 25 or whatever it was…and made the same power. Does he not see how that makes his theory shit? I mean at 10-12 psi, your car will make a very easy 500 whp…which is what his car will make at 35 psi.
20-23 psi is typical K04 or FT boost
25-30 psi is RS6 or tial 605
30+ is Tial 770 or GT
AWESOME DUDE…LOOK WHAT A BIG RESTRICTION MY SETUP CAUSES! It’s like it’s a badge of honour. High boost on an inefficient setup with shit acceleration does not seem worthy of praise…but it gets it. Of course a more efficient setup all around would ease that restriction, help flow efficiency…and would confuse the fuck out of some of them.
lol whats even more sad is that Count mentioned the JHM kit when first dyno’d ‘uncorked’ and detuned on 91 made almost 500whp. imagine on 93, uncorked, and tuned at 6 psi, it should be right there. now think of it at 10-12 psi, 600 whp for sure. 14.5 psi which is 1 bar like he says i get wet over, 700? lol
well its like putting 5psi on a built 4th gen LS… you’ll go from say 550bhp to the 750bhp+ range even with a screamer N/A cam… the motor moves air so well to begin with that the little kick makes you volumetric efficiency go from like .95-1.05 to somewhere off the charts
but boost is all that matters
who was the other ‘smart’ guy who was always talking boost like it was the cornerstone of a build…Arthur?