Yes it was Arthur. He couldn’t get past certain variables playing a role in efficiency and what power output it could yield if done properly. It always came back to boost with him. That was odd to me, even though he was a pain in the ass he did have a decent undersatanding of things.
if boost is what people think the cornerstone of anything than they are retarded. thats how i thought when i was 19. my mk1 rabbit had a 2.0 aba from a 95 jetta with a headgasket spacer and arp head studs ONLY and had a turbo on it the size of my head (t3t4 60trim) that would spool at 5000 rpms, have a powerband of maybe 1500 rpms and would cram 40 psi down its throat lol. God that was a stupid setup lol but for that 1500 rpm that thing sure did boogy lol.
Count. . . I think you’re being too nice, I think it’s okay to share what you really thing of them just like the rest of us 
agreed, thats not the count we know and love lol
yeah he was using some massively simplified equation that asserted that only effective compression ratio and displacement determined torque output… no consideration for dynamic compression ratio and how important that is (go talk to some ohv guys about dcr)
You guys are awesome haha. I had to join just to say that. My names Ricky I’ve been on az since 06 and have seen this platform develop for the better and worst.
I’m glad you guys are able to see the light with the AMD nutswingers and the king of dynos Jason. It’s crazy how hyped these guys are over numbers on a paper, fats times and 60-130 times. it’s also crazy these guys dump loads of money into the cars and are scared to run at the track. Hell there aren’t even videos of them racing other cars!!!
One thing I would like to point out is I don’t think the tial turbos are bad I think it’s the people tuning the car. Epl tunes AMDs cars. IMO tony isn’t that great of a tuner. I know a lot of people may feel different but fact of the matter is none of the cars he’s tuned perform like there dyno. For the old timers I’m sure you remember when Tony’s dyno numbers were brought into question a few years back.
The tial turbos are very popular on the 911 platform. I know markski runs them and his car is an absolute beast. Right along with a handful other Fast porsches.
Me and Justin (nycvr6) are working on a few things that will definitely put AMD in there Place. As soon as I’m ready to release what were doing on my end you guys will definitely hear about it.
Good stuf joemomma.
Isn’t it funny that the only threads calling AMD/EPL Tials builds into question are this one started by ChrisK and the ‘tial 1/4 mile results thread’ on AZ started by me (just browsing)…two 4.2 guys?
You need to observe this stuff from a distance to see the bullshit. If you’re a b5 guy, you really want to believe the results so you do for the most part. …and if you question the results you’d better be strong becauuse you’ll be attacked by the ignorant masses (as nycvr6 has been for the last 12 months, from members to advertisers to moderators trying to silence him)
p.s. I started a thread to discuss the 60-130 test
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=445.msg7367
Would like to hear some input on it.
Nice ill check it out now!!!
GREAT thread on audizine.
“ARE NEW EXHAUST MANIFOLDS WORTH THE MONEY FOR TIAL 605s”
Some AWESOME responses showing just what joemomma was talking about…with the terrible mentality in the b5 forum.
[quote=EvilEvo]Why waste money on some thing VAST made when AMD has proven that the stock manifolds will flow to over 700whp.
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[quote=S4002.7]My thoughts exactly.
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Are people in the B5 world fucking serious? AMD says stick with stock manifolds, because we have had cars dyno 700 whp with them?
Holy fucking shit. At what cost? Intense fucking heat and inefficiency? Give me a damn break.
Why are we yelling!!! Seriously, why is this whole forum angry with tial? Their alpha 996 kit rips. Just because the S4 kits seem to not have good data doesn mean you get to hate on the company.
who is yelling?
[quote=S4002.7]My thoughts exactly.
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Are people in the B5 world fucking serious? AMD says stick with stock manifolds, because we have had cars dyno 700 whp with them?
Holy fucking shit. At what cost? Intense fucking heat and inefficiency? Give me a damn break.
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Lol isn’t it amazing?? I guess the rules of airflow and effiency are voided by the s4. I heard you could run 700whp on stock clutch as well too. I guess the rest of the world is simply failing.
^^^exactly. Great example.
When someone says ‘it’s ok to run stock manifolds’ (which are traditionally pretty shit on Audis frankly…let’s be honest) on a car flowing enough air to make 700 whp…you should really question their credentials. Of course the guys won’t. Hell, why not run stock downpipes and catback if you’re interested in maintaining a restriction…right?
It was a joke, everyone seemed so angry they might as well be yelling. It was a joke.
Evilevo isnt a tial car. I can tell you I blew out a clutch on my 605 car on he dyno where when I was stage 3 on E85 the clutch did just fine… If you guys want logs I have a few of my own car stage 3 and briefly 3L 605s before the rings let loose on the same stretch of road, similar OAT
EvilEvo is hating on exhaust manifolds because it’s something that VAST promotes/makes. That’s the only reason. He should be smart enough to know eliminating restrictions and helping the motor gain efficiency wherever possible is advisable and in fact safer for the car.
The point joemamma made about the clutch is that stock clutch should hold just fine when doing things like driving normally, or dynoing your 4th gear. Big deal. If you want to launch it hard, or move out hard while making 600 wtq, you’d better not have a stock clutch (or you’d better be prepared to destroy your stocker). Again…you sure could run stock clutch, but who the fuck would recommend it? Why would you spend a boatload of cash on a build, and leave in a terrible restriction on your car like the stock manifolds? Or stock clutch?
That’s the key as AMD actually recommends stock manifolds as fine for these big power stage III cars because they ‘can’ flow enough (one one dyno pull lol) for a 700 whp car.
After a customer piles $20,000 to $30,000 in to the car going stage III I can’t imagine the mentality behind cutting corners like this? Who would recommend that? Someone who doesn’t do their homework is who.
The b5 world isn’t the only community that uses stock manifolds for big power. Look at the cyclones and, a perfect example is the grand national boys. They use nothing but the stock guy to make the best power delivery under the curve. Not sure what the stock clutch is referencing. Please elaborate, maybe I can help
Who cares about other cars? We’re talking about the b5 S4 aren’t we?
Here’s why you don’t use other cars to determine how to mod your car:
The B7 RS4 came with very effective headers from the factory, so it’s not really necessary to replace them.
So…can we assume that the little sister, the B7 S4 also can just keep the stockers if you do a big power build on one? Hell no. The B7 S4 has terrible stock manifolds, and JHM not only picked up about 35 whp and 40 wtq all motor by replacing them with their longtube equal length headers, the upgrade just helps the car evacuate dangerous heat from the engine more efficiently. Great mod.
If the factory got it right, by all means don’t touch the part. If the part is a restriction and means the car is giving up efficiency RIGHT at the motor, why not make the upgrade?
Now…back to your example. Tell me when you see the difference.
B5 S4 manifolds
http://images27.fotki.com/v995/free/814ae/1/1164760/5310778/DSC00065-vi.jpg?1187892782
Buick Grand National - stock headers
http://www.grandnationalspecialties.com/media/06/a20792a1336a9b6d067939_m.JPG
Can you please show me empirical data that proves your claim that B5 s4 owners are idiots when they want to make 600+whp on stock manifolds?
No I can not. (I didn’t call B5 S4 owners idiots for that did I?) I was talking about how absurd it is for AMD to advocate stock manifolds for 700 whp cars etc. It’s pretty clearly a ploy to shit on a competitor (VAST, a popular shitting pot lately), and to keep customers from second guessing AMD’s choices to not upgrade the part. Lots of companies said the JHM headers for the B6/7 S4 were a waste, not worth it etc. too. …because they didn’t make them/sell them. Doesn’t make them right.
Also, you didn’t address the Buck Grand National stock headers…how come? I put a pic up and everything. Thinking maybe they keep them because they’re awesome design? I am.
p.s. Can you please provide empirical evidence in support of not putting a giant rooster head on the roof of your car to make it faster?
http://www.thesmokingtire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/chicken-wtf.jpg