no, I think you’ll find that the real 60-130 lovers are indeed guys who avoid the dragstrip. Show me a tuner or someone who touts the 60-130 in the Audi world.
there’s nothing ‘cool’ about the dragstrip. There’s something really honest and legit about it though. It’s scary for lots of the scam artists. Just think of how ASP/PES/VFE etc. would tremble when one of their customers would start a thread ‘GOING TO THE STRIP THIS SATURDAY NIGHT!’ lol.
just out of curiousity since were on the subject whats the fastest FATS times amd/epl has had?
Well thats kind of a loaded question.
For stock tranny and pump gas, currently its Deep with 1.95 FATS, then me with 2.03, then Gearhead with 2.1x or something.
If your talking RS4 tranny, D-Shot pulled a 1.5 FATS before his piston fried.
Outside of EPL/AMD there is WMS, with 1.8 Fats, gutted, C16 and 40 PSI.
I might run 40 PSI soon, I expect crazy fats times.
Burningcoals do me a favor. i really (genuinely) want to see how hard your car pulls. find a friend with a fast car audi or not. list full specs of each car and have two cameras. one on your gauges one on the opponent.
I honestly feel it will put alot of peoples minds to a little bit more ease until you hit the track.
No worries, right now we are testing new prototype intake mani combinations and cam combinations, car should be on the dyno next week. After I will be doing video 60-130, races, FATS, etc. Then I will wait for our track to open sometime in March.
Short answer, 1-2 weeks for some video footage.
Good sh!t. Im all about real life footage. To me Dyno numbers are cool, fast 60-130 are cool, fats times are cool, 1/4 is my thing but i like real world footage (of cars that i cant go see in person) because you can really see how the car stacks up against another car specially in you can put the two in the same class.
Do you happen to have the logs from d-shots car? im trying to decide on my build if i want to stick with 2.7 or bump up to a bigger either 2.8 or 3.0. want to see the spool characteristics.
Trivia time - anyone know why fats is such a short rev range?
4200-6500 is a pretty small chunk of data.
Hint: nothing to do with boost
I take my girlfriend out in my s4. What’s wrong with no interior?
Wouldn’t have a clue, but what the hell are fats times
I have a great idea, instead of spending thousands upon thousands on exotic parts, custom cams and intake manifolds to possible only make marginal gains why not just address the real problem. The problem is the exhaust side, the smaller turbine side and stock mani is why that setup stops making big power gains past 7300rpms. Run better manifolds with better turbine side and save thousands on all that other shit while making large gains with less boost til 8300+rpm.
My car is being a test mule for a bit. I am actually curious myself.
However I do agree with your line of thought, it’s been discussed to length, AMD has cars with full mani, etc, we know the gains. All I need is RS4 uppers and I can have 2k more RPM to make power…
My silver car (3.0L 605s) is a test mule for Cnc ported 2.7L heads. My yellow car will have ported 2.8L heads and I will supply flow bench data on both when we get results.
The B5 S4 world used it as a measure of how fast you were accelerating from 4200 to 6500 rpm in 3rd gear via your ECUx or vagcom logs. A good concept, but a bit flawed to use to compare all kinds of people’s cars because joe blow wants to look like a stud? Great…he just runs his car downhill. It was created for a very specific reason - to compare cars, but it was to be done on the same stretch of road by the same guy every time (not to be a nationwide ‘let’s compare’ test. It then got adopted (or kidnapped) by the log happy people in B5 world…and by some of the unscrupulous tuners/parts sellers. It is just about the least reliable test you can use to compare your car to other cars since there are absolutely ZERO checks and balances on the method. It’s only useful for you to compare your car to your car on the same exact stretch of road. Or compare your car to other cars on the exact same stretch of road.
Why 4200-6500? Why not 2000-6500 for a full in gear pull and a good range of data? Why not at least 3000-6500? Why 4200-6500? Well I don’t think the modern era B5 guys know. I’ve asked tons of them on forums. None of them ever knew.
Hint #2 the answer is alluded to in JHM’s 11.1 @ 130 K04 quarter mile video.
Is it because our 3rd gear rapes the B6 S4? I’m not playing this game because you turn people’s words against them like a lawyer does.
Lol its a simple bit of b5 s4 historical trivia
Thought you were ‘much more informed on matters such as these’
Interesting reference to a lawyer though.
It’s easy to tell if your going downhill on a FATS log BTW. Fats was used to guage the difference in tunes between tuners and your own progress on making your own car faster, 60-90MPH in general isnt to bad when your doing it a lot.
But the reason I use 60-130 vbox is, you can’t cheat it, that’s the whole design. And you can compare your car to anyone elses in the world easily. It’s a universally recognized medium.
I love being accused of downhill FATS, because I do it on a road that is less then 1% grade, and it makes me laugh…
FATS so good, it has to be downhill … HAHA
He’s gonna tell you your wrong now… Just waiting for his response…
yeah, FATS is tough…because it’s easy to cheat, it’s easy to be accused of cheating. Not a good solution. Great way to test your own car though…just not a very good dick measuring tool to share with people online (and even less appropriate to use to sell parts)
I like the 60-130 list on 6speed because they try to weed out cheaters, but to be honest, it doesn’t really excite me like the quarter mile does. It’s the quarter mile minus the fun part…minus 0-60, which is ‘the other’ benchmark acceleration test used in the automotive world (1/4 mile being the other).
As for FATS, it wasn’t 60-90 that was the determinant of why that particular rev range was used.
Hint #3 - if the B7 Rs4 world did ‘FATS’ equivalent times to compare various tune a vs. tune b cars vs stock tune cars, we should probably do 5500-7500 RPM (in fact we don’t…we use 3000-8000 rpm, which shows the RS4 owners aren’t very sharp!)
The stock manifolds are not as bad as many people claim to be. Got to remember, our motors are only 2.7t motors, not much displacement going on in the combustion chambers. If you look at a stock 2.7t exhaust manifold yes they are small and the ports are nothing to be thrilled but look at whats been proven.
You say they you cant push more then 1 bar through them before becoming useless? Nope, stage 3 cars do 21 psi all day. Jays’s b5 pushed 30 on his. PSI does not matter, its about how much cfm . Jays B5 still has the stock manifolds and has yet to max those out.
At the end of the manifolds you notice they taper down. Most think this is restrictive but actually helps create velocity and momentum in the exhaust to further help spool the turbos. Thats how we make good torque with our motors and k04s are such a great street set-up
IMO with the tials, this is what I think the issue may be. The hotside looks like a k04, stock k04s on a stage 3 setup car runs out of steam around 5500rpms. the compressor side looks a little bigger but didnt take attention to the internals.
So my theory is they are over spinning a turbo that is flowing a little more cfm but is choking because of the hotside. the comp wheels is tool small design but compressor housing has the room for more. So they are spinning this little k04 pretty much with a over size housing and thats why they have to push 30-40 psi to make there “power”
Makes me want one just typing about it lol