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B8 S4
#581

It’s a bit weird that AWE is doing nothing towards stage III. I’m very surprised because if you’re buying a 4 year old high mileage B8 S4 today for $28,000 and htinking of your modification path, it’s pretty apparent that a GIAC/AWE route is a dead end, based on what the companies have said.

There are 3 types of car modifiers

  1. those who will go stage 1 or 2 and never get deeper, and don’t plan to
  2. those who will go stage 1 or 2 but leave things open to going deeper down the line
  3. those who will definitely push the platform as far as they can take it

GIAC has basically shot themselves in the foot for groups 2 and 3, because smart money is on APR if you’re one of them.

Of course then there are those who might go GIAC and switch to APR, but that’s a small portion of the market. You don’t build a business plan around that little group.

I’m pretty sure GIAC or AWE knows what I just wrote…so I reckon we will start hearing about GIAC/AWE stage III pretty soon.

#582

Sounds like everyone saw what I saw…

Thing is, it was pretty horrifically shockingly good. But to find such a gif, one would have to do quite some searching. We may have been shocked, but they had to sort through quite a bit to produce those results. So really, who lost in the end (unless that’s their thing, not that there is anything wrong with that.)

#583

Glad I was MIA for that one. phew

#584

I noticed that he did it with his Pbox picture as well… And as a result it was on audizine too lol.

Anthony edited it out of his post on AZ.

Surprised they don’t ban this guy. Arin , how do you feel about him sneaking around selling his shit on there while u guys pay a grand a month for the right to do so?

#585

That’s Arins problem. Let this guy post. He wants an audience…and what the hell, I’m curious how fast that motor will blow. He’ll, he’s even planning for it to blow. This isn’t really a sellable system, seriously, who the fuck considers a PT6466 in a kit? He’s doing this for himself.

What’s funny is I just heard about one shop building a bottom end, now I hear that silly rabbit is building a motor too. How much of the v10 parts fit this motor? Pistons do, maybe the 5.2 rods do too (154mm? 20mm small end 56mm big end)…unless someone is getting them made custom…

Oh, for those that saw…what’s been seen…cannot be unseen…

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/25/jy6e2a7e.jpg

#586

I saw things…

I knew exactly what that crafty sob had done too. Saw the pictures earlier and presumed the thread was still kosher. Glad I wasn’t at work when I came across that.

#587

I see exactly where your coming from, and for me I kinda do fall into the groups 2 and 3… I’ve tossed around the idea regularly of keeping my car for the long term and going stage 3 and awe not having that option is a bummer… However do you really think that many people will go stage 3 with these cars?

I know prob 60% of B5’s are Stage 3 but I think most of that is due to the turbos being OEM euro turbos and all you really need is custom fueling… The B8’s are diff bc companies are gonna have to go out and make a kit out of scratch therefore going stage will be a lot less cost effective…

#588

What’s crazy is that I just got back to my office and logged in for the first time since the morning. Clicked on this thread and saw the .gif that was allegedly posted by Sak. Then right under that I saw Salmon’s comment about “nice detective work.” I had no idea what was going on.

#589

:o Sounds like I dodged a bullet on this one.

#590

Maybe itguy has a second line of work… if you get what I’m saying.

#591

If stage 3 is reasonably priced, I think a decent number of people would do it. If APR is the only game in town, then they automatically get 100% of that business and will be able to price as they see fit with zero competition. Although it may seem pricey at an expected price of 10k+ beyond stage 2, what other options do you have for a vehicle if you want an awd, 6mt vehicle at this pricepoint? I have contemplated going to an S6. But, I would give up my transmission and it would be obviously quite a bit out of pocket.

#592

I assume the S4 will be the DD so I’m a bit confused as to why you’d want to modify it further and run the increased risk of problems? Also, what alpha kit are you looking at? Why would it become undrivable?

#593

maybe he’s a fireman. Or a baker. Or an arrowsmith.

#594

I do think tons of people will up the ante on the B8 S4. Look at the B7 Rs4. There are only 2000 of them in North America and I could name 30 guys who have supercharged B7 RS4s…and for the last 5 years the kits were ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT (as you know). Now that there are 3-4 kits performing phenominally, and the cars are out of warranty and into the hands of enthusiastic modifiers, the chart of modified supercharged RS4s will turn into a hockey stick. Hell 2 of the guys who purchased early kits have upgraded to bigger kits (kryptonik and rocketman). Apr sold over 100 TVSr1320 kits for the RS4. You don’t think there’s a big enough market there for someone like AWE to make stage III kits for the B8? If they sell 200 kits, that’s likely around $2 million in revenue. There’s a big chunk of profit in there.

You’re right about the B5 thing. I did a poll on audizine a few years ago asking what stage B5 owners were. I figured stage 3 guys would be like 20%.

I was shocked it was actually much higher. Around 60%. That was primarily because so many of them blew K03s (this was in like 2011, and th majority of those cars were 10 years old. Buying expensive K03s for your $6,000 car didn’t make a lot of sense, so many of them just went stage ‘3’ which was actually stage 3 minus since they didn’t upgrade anything but the turbos. Stock tuning, fuelling and intercoolers on tons of those supposed stage 3 guys.

#595

I’m glad I saw the original post and missed whatever ensued after.

I’m curious to see what APR Stage 3 will do. I may have to make a GIAC to APR switch if it’s as good as I hope. I need something good to be released before I make my other car undrivable with an Alpha package.

#596

It’s a bit weird that AWE is doing nothing towards stage III. I’m very surprised because if you’re buying a 4 year old high mileage B8 S4 today for $28,000 and htinking of your modification path, it’s pretty apparent that a GIAC/AWE route is a dead end, based on what the companies have said.

There are 3 types of car modifiers

  1. those who will go stage 1 or 2 and never get deeper, and don’t plan to
  2. those who will go stage 1 or 2 but leave things open to going deeper down the line
  3. those who will definitely push the platform as far as they can take it

GIAC has basically shot themselves in the foot for groups 2 and 3, because smart money is on APR if you’re one of them.

Of course then there are those who might go GIAC and switch to APR, but that’s a small portion of the market. You don’t build a business plan around that little group.

I’m pretty sure GIAC or AWE knows what I just wrote…so I reckon we will start hearing about GIAC/AWE stage III pretty soon.

#597

Since APR seems to be very thorough before releasing a product, I was expecting that the overall reliability wouldn’t suffer considerably. Even though it’s a dd, if I can make it a bit quicker and more fun without sacrificing much, I would be very interested. I was looking at an alpha 9 for the 911. By undrivable, I meant that it would be a bit of overkill for anything other than track use at which point it would be just plain dangerous for me to utilize those power levels. The car is plenty fast as it sits now imo.

#598

I see exactly where your coming from, and for me I kinda do fall into the groups 2 and 3… I’ve tossed around the idea regularly of keeping my car for the long term and going stage 3 and awe not having that option is a bummer… However do you really think that many people will go stage 3 with these cars?

I know prob 60% of B5’s are Stage 3 but I think most of that is due to the turbos being OEM euro turbos and all you really need is custom fueling… The B8’s are diff bc companies are gonna have to go out and make a kit out of scratch therefore going stage will be a lot less cost effective…

#599

If stage 3 is reasonably priced, I think a decent number of people would do it. If APR is the only game in town, then they automatically get 100% of that business and will be able to price as they see fit with zero competition. Although it may seem pricey at an expected price of 10k+ beyond stage 2, what other options do you have for a vehicle if you want an awd, 6mt vehicle at this pricepoint? I have contemplated going to an S6. But, I would give up my transmission and it would be obviously quite a bit out of pocket.

#600

B7 RS4 $35,000ish) + JHM or TTS or AVIVA supercharger and supporting mods like clutch ($15,000-20,000) = low 11s @ 125+ MPH on pump, 6MT trans in every one of them.