Saki- couple of things before things get out of hand. I think you are misinterpreting some stuff.
again… I am not anti RS4. Don’t spin it into that either. Please ask Paul and Tony how much I love their cars.
As far as the 60-130 list… I don’t really care about that. Yeah it’s fun… but we probably do 20-30 runs cars against cars in lower speeds against the 3-4 times we report that night we pbox. I don’t care what he does for the list. I’d rather do a lower speed pull like others have suggested. Do you really think I want him out to just pbox? I asked him 100x to do pulls.
Who’s talking about tripling the speed limit? Last time we chatted with Paul… it was a 15 roll to something reasonable. Why wouldn’t he get involved in that? Motivation? He has a full bolt on RS4 that has done zero runs against willing and waiting cars. (M3, B8 S4s, B5 S4, u name it). Wouldn’t fantastic (non track) results even further the platform?
We are all grown ass men… Taking shots at me for not going to the track on a stock clutch. Come on dude. The one other time I went to the track LOL… ya with my 4 year old son in the back seat. Still waiting for those same RS4 guys around here to go also. Both on modified clutches. Include them in the “bitches” category. And I probably won’t go until I get a better clutch for my daily driver.
The RS4 time left off list wasn’t on purpose. I reported it to Pete and he said he had used an older list. Mistakes happen. He should have corrected.
Again… don’t spin things into something they aren’t. I report things just as they happen. And don’t include me in some blacklist of anti RS4/JHM hate. Far from the truth.
One thing that needs to be clarified: 2 JHM RS4s have been to the strip. Ever.
They went 12.28 and 12.29, and that was 2 full years ago. One was on 91 octane. They had tune/exhaust/clutch/lw crank pulley and rotors. Density altitude was in the 500-1000 feet range for the 12.28 car. Both cars were running early versions of the tune (these were the first two beta cars…Dan;s car and George’s car). One didn’t even have launch assist back then. George made 7 passes. Dan made 4 passes. Passes.
Saying anything about what a JHM RS4 can or can’t do is a bit premature, don’t you think? What did the fastest pump gas B8 S4 run 2 years ago when APR was on version 1 of their tune? Has the APR tune evolved at all since then? Guess what, so has the JHM RS4 tune.
As for race gas, it helps the RS4 limit timing pulled, but not much. Generally only in the heat. In the cold, it’s doing very little. Certainly not more than a tune (not even close).
Using the ‘JHM bolt on’ RS4 list to make deductions about JHM bolt on RS4 performance is not that easy…we have two times. If we looked at the first two B8 S4 times, we’d say that APR tune and lw mods and lw wheels and intake and catback only gets you 12.6 @ 110…because that was what voltron’s head ran before he sold his S4 and bought a CTS-v. In fact he didn’t even get out of the 13s the first time. Voltron would probably say ‘mods don’t do much on the S4’ based on his experience alone. We know that’s not anywhere near true of course…but it’s the danger of a small early development sample size.
p.s. my car is now carbon cleaned and I notice almost zero difference.
That’s why I said all of you bitches. Plural. You all need to go. I don’t see what’s so scary about it. Does the B8 S4 clutch instantly explode when you leave a stoplight quickly? Because that’s all you need to do at the drag strip. Imagine you’re beside an RS4 that you want to beat and you see he wants to race at a light. What do you do…tell him to wait till you get some race gas, then go to the highway so you can go 60-130? Or do you just take off briskly then slam through the gears?
Driving 2 hrs to the strip to make passes in summer is fun, but not very useful. If I lived 2 hrs away I would NEVER go in the summer. I live 40 minutes away and I still don’t go (havenn’t gone this summer at all). I go in fall and spring.
If you’re wondering why these guys aren’t going to the strip, think about it. Paul will go in the fall. In his RS4. With his JHM mods. Will you? Or will you have eleven clutch stories?
I’ll go when I get my clutch. Otherwise it’s an irrelevant talk. My clutch won’t grab for a launch. I have tried launching a ton of times on our test strip. It slips. What’s the use of that run if I replicate that at the track?
I am just asking for some normal pulls on our test strip. 15-20 roll. I give two shits about the pbox time.
tony’s problems are mostly because of his clutch and JHM crank pulley??? He shredded belts after doing a DIY install of a crank pulley, and not replacing the idler/tensioner. Yeah, good old JHM trying to ruin his day. It’s a solid pulley. It’s not withcraft. They have sold hundreds of these things and they don’t shred belts. Do they have razor blades embedded in the one they sold tony?
FOR THE RECORD…tony has started TEN threads about problems with his RS4 over the past 18 months. Want me to post them? NONE of them referred to his crank pulley or clutch until 2 weeks ago. Help me understand how ‘most of his problems’ have to do with his JHM parts. But no, that’s not JHM bashing.
You’re not jabbing at Paul’s car with the ‘before he broke down’ bullshit? And he ‘barely pulled on him’??? Are you kidding me? You’ve already admitted you don’t remember the results of your own run vs. Paul. Now you’re sharp about what happened when Paul raced Tony? No, you’re not. Paul walked Tony’s car. They also posted a 2 second difference in 60-130. Come on man.
You think you won? lol. It has been posted here already that you guys tied. You made a load of excuses about that back then…"i started in 3rd’. ‘wasn’t adapted’ (lol),
We went over it. It’s very little disadvantage for your car to start in third. You then ran to 130 mph and were tied. Fading memories are convenient for a point of view, but they don’t work when other people remember things clearly (and post about them in writing on the internet)
[QUOTE=tsivas27]Paul it was a handicapped race of sorts for me [;)]. IIRC started in 3rd and kept slowing down in speed before we actually went… but I did hear third gear on my handheld radio- then again it wasn’t working that good…granny shifted into fourth and i just bumped off limiter and stayed in fourth (~128) on shutdown. This is after you guys did about 10 pulls and had your cars nice and adapted vs me driving around for 30 mins cruising at 60mph spotting you two in Comfort mode lol.
Good news is my third gear pulls almost as good as you two in second [:D] And I did manage to get ahead of both of you even with a crappy start.
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Looking at the numbers, the B8, at 35 MPH in third is at around 2450 RPM, meaning it has about 4550 RPM to go till redline. The B8 makes 95% of its peak torque at 1500 RPM for the most part, so I’m not sold on the fact this was way out of his powerband…it’s not a big turbo 4 cyl that waits for boost till 5500 rpm. It’s a TVS supercharged 3.0 V6…and it pulls hard from that spot (and every spot) on the RPM curve.
The RS4 at 35 mph in second is at about 4100 RPM, meaning it has about 4100 RPM to go till redline. This is not optimal for the RS4 as we all know, so again not sure why the B8 owner is pointing at this as a big advantage.
Further, if the B8 WERE to start in second gear, it would only mean he was starting at 3500 RPM with 3500 RPM to go till redline so not drastically different. Instead he lived with third gear for a little while longer and saved himself having to shift from 2nd to 3rd, which is the hardest shift on these 6 speed cars in a dragrace. Since he has admitted that he shifts like a grandmother, being in third gear would have saved him a 0.5 second or so gear change where he is off throttle.
Let’s not forget that , especially on a cold night in a stock tune RS4 att 4100 RPM, his RS4 is limited to 52% throttle by the stock tune until about 5500 RPM where it allows him to go full throttle. A protectionary torque limiter means he is limping along waiting for his power.
The B8 S4 in question is stage 2 APR V2, (so no restrictions) and dynod something like 380 WHP I believe with this setup. At 2450 RPM in third gear he is making FAR more torque and horsepower than a stock tune RS4 so he should be crushing the B7, not making excuses about being in the wrong gear.
Finally the B8 owner said the RS4 just did about 10 pulls, thus was ‘adapted’ and claimed this was an advantage vs. the cool B8. The RS4 would actually be heatsoaked to FUCK…which is a HUGE advantage for the B8 S4 owner.
Again…I don’t buy the theory that this 3rd gear start was bad or any of this other stuff. Just someone who was not happy about a result is what it is looking like.
MAN UP TSIVAS! lol
You guys should race from a dig. The RS4 4.11 gears really help it get rocking and I reckon it would be a shock to the B8 S4 owner. Most B8 S4 owners trash the RS4 without knowing anything about it other than ‘it’s not FI so it is not tuneable’ (lol). It would be a good wakeup call for many of them for us to get some pulls done.
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a) he doesn’t want to street race.
b) he is a busy man
c) he wants to go to the strip in the fall when conditions are not shit
You and Pete act like it ends your life that he hasn’t raced you. Why do you need him there? You drive B8 S4s. The only possible reason you want to race his car is so you can say ‘YAY ! WE BEAT THE RS4!’ and do a weird B8 guy handshake.
His car is solid. It’s not however likely to keep up with B8 S4s with tune/pulley/intake/decat/exhaust/race gas. Get over it already.
Man up and go to the strip. Fill up with pump gas, and I’ll be shocked if you can run faster than those 2 year old RS4 times (12.28 and 12.29)
My Tech put in Tony’s Crank Pulley. Audi put in his clutch. Again don’t spin it into something it isn’t.
As far as Tony vs Paul…I am going by what Tony told me a few days ago actually when they were having their own dispute about their cars. I wasn’t near them that night. was spotting.
We can agree to disagree on Paul race. I won’t go further into that. He def wasn’t next to me and his pbox data vs my old times last year can support that. So you are you going by his word? OK that makes it better.
you have addressed none of what I posted. Your claims about Tony’s problems being ‘mostly JHM’ are straight ignorant. Are you forgetting all of those other dozen or so threads he posted with problems that had nothing to do with JHM? Or do you take that back I guess? As for the audi tech…are we now to believe that the best mechanics are Audi techs? Especially for aftermarket components? lol.
How about the snitty little ‘before he broke down’? Am I spinning that too?
For the race, I am going by your own word in that thread when it was fresh in your mind. Rather than ‘I passed him easily and won’ it was back then ‘I have this long ass list of excuses that will explain why I didn’t pull on him at all’. Now you’re changing it to ‘I passed him easily and I won’.
It’s all in writing above. Your words and his. Have a read.
“it was a handicapped race for me”
“I started in third” (even though I showed that this is hardly a difference, especially for a slow shifting manual B8 S4)
“I granny shifted into fourth”
“I bumped the rev limiter”
“your cars were adapted”
“my car was in comfort mode”
Wow…record list! The fact they did a bunch of pulls means they were heatsoaked, and could have been faster in all likelihood if they were cooler. Heat soaked 4.2 cars are not faster than cool 4.2 cars.
I don’t understand what you are talking about. I was referring to the problems he had recently. You put the JHM spin on it.
Did he not have a problem with his Clutch/FW/pressure plate and sent it back b/c of a backed out bolt and issues with his pedal slipping? Stop getting so sensitive about JHM. I wasn’t attacking them. I was listing Tony’s issues from your original comment that Tony’s car wasn’t the best car to use as a comparison as it didn’t run well. Who the hell cares what parts were on it. If it was something else I would have mentioned that too. He replaced some HPFP also- is audi asking me to stop my snitty comments?
How is that an ignorant comment?? He also had the tech install CP twice then Tony took off and sent it back. And hasn’t shredded a belt since. Am I making this shit up? Paul himself said that they had sent out a batch of bad clutches/fws (034 might have been the issue) and Tony might have had one. Can this maybe be true with his CP? Who the fuck knows. Why don’t we have full disclosure about parts being sent back.
Did Paul not break down due to some issue with his clutch setup etc. Snitty? Did it not happen? At least that’s what Paul told me the issue was. I am reporting the issue from the person himself as he told me!
The other shit… I am going by what Tony tells me and conversations me and Paul have had.
As far as your race scenario…you are going by one person’s perspective for some race from 10 months ago as your go to argument? Perfect.
I’ll use my useless/meant to be fun pbox info for another dumb comparison…I ran a pump time of 11.00s 60-130 in +340 DA vs his 12.18s in -2000DA run.
I can breakdown 45? mph-125? mph also if you want or part of your race scenario from the DBN files. Either way it’s useless comparison. No videos/ he said option vs a semi useful pbox that is known to shown variances.
For me… I’d rather have a passenger in each car video. Problem solved.
Just because “your” tech hasn’t fucked up your car doesn’t really mean much and this is straight from the horses mouth. Tony obviously tries to fuck with shit on his own. He can probably barely check the air in his tires. Plenty of guys in the past have shredded S4 belts because of improper installation or because they were to cheap to replace everything at once…it’s really nothing new.
[QUOTE=rs4 tony;8820756]Did you change the idler pulley? Belt tensioner? Anything while doing the pulley? My belt started to slip towards the motor. And I realigned it thinking I might of made a mistake on install so on my drive home I notice it now danced forward toward the radiator. I replaced my belt tensioner and followed all instructions 100%. Any clues to why it’s doing this?
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I don’t you guys should be arguing, but you are saying some shit that doesn’t need to be said. You are also changing stories and it isn’t making you look very credible.
also just throwing this out there, the issues with the “JHM” flywheel are issues with 034 and not JHM(they build the flywheels for JHM). the b8 setups are full in house built and designed by JHM.
I don’t you guys should be arguing, but you are saying some shit that doesn’t need to be said. You are also changing stories and it isn’t making you look very credible.
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What stories am I changing euro? I am going by info provided by Tony and Paul. Don’t kill the messenger. And I apologize if they weren’t expressed exact way they said. I tried my best.
The internet makes people so sensitive. I’d probably have a better relationship with my girlfriend if it was through the internet. But then she’d tell people how I cried last night during a movie we were watching together over skype and I would have to dump her. So maybe it wouldn’t be such a good idea.
Tony claims on AZ to have done the work with his CP himself. He also asks if people replace all components when doing the upgrade…this leads me to believe he did not. If you have an RS4 and your going to modify it, why the hell wouldn’t you replace everything and be worry free for 80k more miles?
SO who replaced the CP, your tech or Tony?
You never claimed to beat anyone right after you ran Paul, in fact you made a boat load of excuses. Why would someone make a boatload of excuses if they won? Now your saying you won easily, I just don’t get it
Also, the “adapted” comment is a joke, to think you had a disadvantage with a heat soaked 4.2 V8 is delusional.
I don’t want to argue, I’m honestly trying to be a voice of reason in here, but this is what I see.
I don’t care about Tony and Paul’s race…
Your basing a lot of your info off this Tony guys RS4 with more issues than we can think of. Isn’t he some young kid with an 80k mile plus RS4? We know he can’t install a belt himself and he skips easy maintenance like an idler pulley and tensioner when trying to improve his cars performance, which leads me to assume he probably neglects other maintenance.
Tony had Tech do install twice I believe, second time had all other components replaced as well. He says “I” alot for some reason instead of “my tech.” He def didn’t do the LWCP install. He did take it off at home though with no experience and swap back stock one. That I know. He also doesn’t neglect maintenance. Other problems were control arms, etc. Non related issues with performance so I didn’t mention. Car has 113K mile so shit is breaking. But he def doesn’t skip on maintenance. Car runs well right now.
As far as races… like I told saki… I was ahead. Paul said he was even. OK. Believe what you want lol. Look at the documented pbox times to compare the cars also. Don’t know what to tell u.
Let’s recap, since the B8itis is infecting Tsivas’ ability to think rationally when RS4 and B8 S4 are mentioned in the same thread.
I said a tune/exhaust B8 and a tune/piggies RS4 would match a low-mid 12s B5 car.
The b8 police decide that this is unpossible that a B8 with tune, pulley and everything else could be matched by a tune/piggies RS4. Great. Nobody said otherwise. RTFS…I said tune/exhaust B8. a.k.a. a mid-low 12s car.
I said Tony’s car isn’t a very good proxy for a good running RS4 since he has had LOADS of issues. Specifically I said " Tony’s car is onstantly broken, likely a result of his mechanic (himself). Is it really a strong running RS4?"
Tsivas countered with an out of left field slam at JHM about how Tony’s problems are mostly JHM LWCP and clutch based. WHAT?
Here you go…let’s see what threads Tony and his RS4 have started on Audizine…since his car is fine and ‘mostly’ his problems are JHM’s fault (according to Tsivas).
Oh…looks like he had a major coolant leak and the dealer PULLED THE MOTOR. Now it has a bad rough idle. That’s always a sign of a strong running car. Now…was this caused by his JHM clutch? Or crank pulley? http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/478433-Rs4-rough-idle
Now his intake flap isn’t working? That’s always a good thing on a strong running car. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/406134-rs4-owners-read-this-intake-flapper-problem-fixed
Now we see his front snorkel wasn’t connected (the part that feeds the airbox lol…kinda important. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley? http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/406134-rs4-owners-read-this-intake-flapper-problem-fixed?p=6054920&viewfull=1#post6054920
