Video: Racing a Stage II B8 S4 in my Stage III B5 S4 - copied from vendorzine...

Tony had Tech do install twice I believe, second time had all other components replaced as well. He says “I” alot for some reason instead of “my tech.” He def didn’t do the LWCP install. He did take it off at home though with no experience and swap back stock one. That I know. He also doesn’t neglect maintenance. Other problems were control arms, etc. Non related issues with performance so I didn’t mention. Car has 113K mile so shit is breaking. But he def doesn’t skip on maintenance. Car runs well right now.

As far as races… like I told saki… I was ahead. Paul said he was even. OK. Believe what you want lol. Look at the documented pbox times to compare the cars also. Don’t know what to tell u.

tsivas27,

You sir have a PM!

Let’s recap, since the B8itis is infecting Tsivas’ ability to think rationally when RS4 and B8 S4 are mentioned in the same thread.

  1. I said a tune/exhaust B8 and a tune/piggies RS4 would match a low-mid 12s B5 car.
    The b8 police decide that this is unpossible that a B8 with tune, pulley and everything else could be matched by a tune/piggies RS4. Great. Nobody said otherwise. RTFS…I said tune/exhaust B8. a.k.a. a mid-low 12s car.

  2. I said Tony’s car isn’t a very good proxy for a good running RS4 since he has had LOADS of issues. Specifically I said " Tony’s car is onstantly broken, likely a result of his mechanic (himself). Is it really a strong running RS4?"

  3. Tsivas countered with an out of left field slam at JHM about how Tony’s problems are mostly JHM LWCP and clutch based. WHAT?

Here you go…let’s see what threads Tony and his RS4 have started on Audizine…since his car is fine and ‘mostly’ his problems are JHM’s fault (according to Tsivas).

Oh…looks like he had a major coolant leak and the dealer PULLED THE MOTOR. Now it has a bad rough idle. That’s always a sign of a strong running car. Now…was this caused by his JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/478433-Rs4-rough-idle

Now his intake flap isn’t working? That’s always a good thing on a strong running car. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/406134-rs4-owners-read-this-intake-flapper-problem-fixed

Now we see his front snorkel wasn’t connected (the part that feeds the airbox lol…kinda important. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/406134-rs4-owners-read-this-intake-flapper-problem-fixed?p=6054920&viewfull=1#post6054920

Now it’s his control arms that are shot. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/390596-(07-rs4)-urgent-turning-and-hearing-a-crackling-sound

Now his power steering pump is getting replaced. That’s normal. lol. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/390596-(07-rs4)-urgent-turning-and-hearing-a-crackling-sound?p=5748211&viewfull=1#post5748211

Now it’s a random clunking noise. JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/397207-b7-rs4-need-help-with-tranny-mount-from-JHM?p=6488868&viewfull=1#post6488868

Now the EPC and ESP are on…random electrical faults stored. Is that from the JHM clutch? Or crank pulley?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/453982-on-start-up-EPC-and-traction-control-light-came-on

Lol. My backyard DIY makes my car broken all the time? It’s called saving money from
Labor. I took my JHM pulley off and installed stock. Big whoop. Took me 4 /5 hours vs 4/5 hours and $350 bucks in labor. I love wrenching on my car and trust only myself. If you have a Problem with a 19 year old kid wrenching on his car in the driveway to save labor then you my friend have issues.
All my issues were from failed parts.

  1. JHM reassure plate(which is very common issue in the rs4 platform)
  2. crank pulley, some people have it and love it, some people I’ve talked to hate it and went back to stock, it’s possible it had a manufactures defect from the factory. Who knows. It’s stock now and staying like that.

Tony, don’t lie. You’re going to look silly. Read my post above yours. Your car is a fucking lemon and always has you crying to the forums for help. Why not take it to a dealer rather than trying to have forums diagnose your car (without VAGCOM)? Trying to save money?

That always leads to a strong running $80,000 German car. Saving money.

If you really think you having flap problems, intake problems, airbox problems, vacuum leaks, coolant leaks, etc. aren’t hurting your car…and that the only problems your car has is JHM clutch and crank pulley, you my friend are retarded.

Wake up. Both of you.

Lol… truce saki. we all good.

Lmao I to dumb to even check my tires? Dude talk about yourself. Don’t rain on my parade. You don’t know me through a hole in the wall. Why don’t you ride Jhm’s dick some more. Is it impossible that parts brake? Omg.

The only time I touched my pulley was putting it back to stock after the 3rd belt shredded. And that was in my driveway

Fool I’m laughing at you. Please list my problems so I can comment on them.

ok here are my problems AND all were resolved…so what exactly is your point? cars have issues, i’m sure you’ve had issues but just haven’t posted them. thats your choice not mine. to each their own.

You need to read the fucking screen. I never said no cars have issues other than yours. My point was simple. Your car has always had problems, so who cares what your car does or doesn’t do in a race. I asked a question…'is it really a ‘strong running RS4?’

To that, Tsivas replied that JHM’s clutch and crank pulley are what caused most of your issues. Ignorant statement. Or JHM bashing. One or the other.

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ok, well it is not bashing. every company is bound to have issues. jhm uses the stock rs4 pressure plate which stock clutched rs4’s always have issues with. so them using a stock rs4 pressure plate almost 70% guarantee’s an issues down the line with a sticky clutch pedal…

the steering pump, that was replaced under warranty 3 years ago exactly(in 1 month)

upper arms made a knock noise, that was replaced under warranty.

coolant leak, audi took care of me on that.

rough idle? i have no clue but me and Paul both noticed the idle on a cold start(after rpm’s drop to 800/900) are shaky after intake manifold spacers are installed. maybe because the intake manifold ports are deleted with spacers, and maybe messed up the engines flow of air? who knows, never had any issue causing power loss or stalling out.

crank pulley, first time installing the CP, i did the tensioner. ok, one week later belt shredded. called jhm they told me to do the idler pulley. ok so i brought it to my techs shop and he took the bumper off, radiator 100%(not service position, i was there by his side watching and he changed the idler pulley and made sure the belt was on every single groove. Then the belt danced off the pulley, so i called jhm and they said that its impossible for this to happen and the pulley is a fine machined piece, this is install error, SO we then took the rad off again, put the new belt on made sure and noted it was on every single groove, once again and then bolted it back up. Then my sticky clutch pedal got to the point where it started to drag so i had a new one installed and right after it was broken i did high rpm runs. and looked at the belt, it was half gone. literally. so that night i went home and took that off and installed the stock pulley in my driveway with the rad. support in service position. if you don’t believe that i changed the tensioner and idler pulley, i’ll gladly post pics of it with my licenses plate in the picture to prove its been done and not taking the cheap way out of things.

Here’s the belt, old tensioner and old idler pulley.

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http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y318/rs4tony/null-29.jpg

you haven’t listened to anything I said.

Try to read this.

  1. I said your car has never really been a strong running RS4. lots of issues.

  2. Tsivas said mostly your problems are relating to your Crank pulley and clutch.

  3. I said that’s bullshit, then showed ten issues you have had that had nothing to do with either one of these.

Why are you justifying your problems? Your car is a little lemony and that’s all I said. I don’t care how you did or didn’t fix it. For tsivas to blame your car’s LOOOOOONG history (see threads linked on previous page) on JHM’s 2 parts is foolish.

Go back and reread my post before you keep making it something it isn’t.

[quote] 1a. Tony’s car has 115k miles. Normal wear and tear items go. He uses same audi tech I use and he is def up on all the maintenance. His car runs fine. Recent carbon clean, Clutch grabs awesome, non sticky clutch pedal. Most of his problems recently were from his JHM clutch and LW crank pulley, and before that the carbon demon and some fuel pump/regulator stuff.
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Again… where do you see me blaming his entire vehicle history of problems on what you mention?? I’m foolish, ignorant, yada yada… Why am I being bashed and labeled something I am not? Still confused as I did not start this RS4 cross post and yet my name was thrown in there for some reason. I was just correcting something in an early post.

His most RECENT problems were from this. Like I originally said. Oh he had a control arm replaced last week. Forgot to mention that. And a new window switch he replaced.

Also why is his car a good perfect example of a “stock” car (with $2700 in mods: LW FW/Clutch, LW rotors, IM spacers, K&N drop in) when u compared it to a run vs Pete’s dad/myself where we barely pulled on him … and then a few posts down… it’s a lemon?

He has recent pbox times also and they aren’t that bad actually.

I was just naming issues he just had in the last few months. There was no JHM bashing and a few have said the same. I will hopefully have more JHM parts on my car soon. Why the F would I honestly bash them? makes ZERO sense. Let’s just move on.

Nice rear valance

Ok, I’ll give you “I don’t know you” but I’ve seen you post, the questions you ask. 19yrs old and an RS4, saving money is way different then fucking things up in your driveway.

I never made this a JHM thing so whatever dude, have fun with your Stella’ RS, I’m not gonna argue about technical skills with a 19yr old that probably touched his first set of boobies in the last 2 years.

Those posts was when I was 17 and had the car. Young and negligent. I have never did work in the driveway and f*cj anything up.

Wow, looks like a lot happened today while I was busy…

Lets start here and work our way down.

I know Tony for a few years now, and he literally is so overly anal with his car that most of the “issues” he posts about are nothing. Literally things I would hear and not pay any attention to Tony is usually flipping out about…

Tony’s car is a strong running RS4. I saw it dyno over 310whp on a Dyno Dynamics and I’ve seen him do multiple pulls with cars that are pretty good matches with RS4’s and Tony has done well.

Most recently I saw him run my buddy’s 2008 E63 Sedan. Tony was losing to it by tops 1/2 car. That’s a fast car and Tony did exceptionally well…

Saki:

I really don’t understand where your coming from to be honest. We’ve had a pretty colorful past, and I can admit that in the past I was indeed wrong most of the time but this time I got to step in and stop this RS4’itis you’re suffering from. I agree with just about 90% of the things you post, and your honesty is something I really respect but anytime you post about JHM or an RS4 that honesty changes.

The times you keep posting about in regards to JHM RS4’s have every JHM mod possible.

Right from the 1/4 mile list these are the mods listed for the top two JHM cars.

JHM Stage 4 Clutch Kit- $1750
Shifter Trio- $480
JHM F+R Lightweight rotors- $1310
K&N Drop in Filter- $50
JHM Catback- $1750
JHM Downpipes- $1050
Intake Spacers- 250
JHM Crank Pulley- $400

That’s a total of $7,040.00 and those are the Group Buy most updated prices of JHM’s website.

So you quoting a Piggy/Tune RS4 going dead even or pulling on a Stage 2 B8 S4 on pump is nonsense. The fastest piggy/tune RS4 went 12.54@109.79. JNaut went faster than any other N/A RS4 on the stock tune however he’s got more money in LW mods and other stuff than probably just having a tune and full bolt ons- his fastest time is 12.26@112.98mph. All the other JHM cars are slower than that time and all around 111-112 traps on 93.

So a piggy RS4 with a tune seems to be coming in at 12.5ish at around 110mph…

Just for reference my dads B8 S4 on 93 with Tune/Intake/Catback went 12.27@112.11mph. My B8 S4 with full bolt ons went 12.1@115.67mph. Prime went 11.93@116.99, and there are 14 other B8 S4’s on 93 pump running faster than 12.5 on the AR 1/4 list. These are all 93 pump times, no race gas. I can’t even tell you the last time my car or Tsivas’ has been on race gas. My dads has never once had anything better than 93 in the tank…

So you’re the delusional one after all.

Here’s my mods list off my old B8 S4. That car went 12.1@115.6mph on pump and 11.88@117.9 on 104.

GIAC Stage 2 Software- $1200
AWE Pulley- $549
Roc Euro Intake- $320
APR CPS- $1000
034 Testpipes- $400
AWE Catback- $1700
AWE Downpipes- $500
Roc-Euro Shifter- $120
FX400- $700

That’s a total of $6489. So indeed less than a JHM RS4 which Saki would like us all to believe costs $500 to mod and becomes a low 12 second B8 killer.

Now on to tonight. My new S4 has GIAC Stage 2 Beta V1 (15.4PSI), AWE Catback and Roc-Euro Intake.

First we started off with my buddies Golf R. He’s got United Motorsports Stage 2 93 Flash, Evolution Motorsports Intake, APR High Pressure Fuel Pump, Full Scorpion Catless Exhaust. This setup is proven for 12.5-12.8 at around 104-107. I drove the car, and drove it flawlessly. Shifts were around 35-40m/s per Vbox. I did 4 pulls with Tony’s RS4. Tony pulled about 1/2 car down low and by 130 he’d have a little over a car and a half on me.

Then we let the cars cool off. My car vs. Tony. We did 2nd gear 45mph pulls. Both runs I had him by 4-5 cars. I then raced Tsivas and he pulled on me by almost 2 cars in the same scenario.

My conclusion is as follows…

A JHM Full Bolt on RS4 is a very quick car. Probably a really good race for a basic Stage 2 B8 S4 on 93. However it takes more money to get the RS4 there then the S4 and it’s starting at 420hp vs. 333hp.

Saki saying that a piggy/tune RS4 ($600) can beat a Stage 2 B8 S4 and a low 12 second Stage 3 B5 is bullshit, and will continue to be considered bullshit until I see something that proves me wrong.

I’m far from a JHM hater. I loveeee JHM and what they have done for the B6/7 S4 and RS4 platform. They are truly an awesome company who I have all the respect in the world for.

Lastly I love the RS4, probably still my favorite car out there, and i’d drive one in a heartbeat.

I just say things how they are, and if I got beat my an N/A RS4 I would be happy, and that would give me all the more incentive to go make my car faster.