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[Rs4_tony]

Hey question. My 3k-8k log is 8.08. With a 180 lb passener. Is this good? does this constitute it being a lemon? What does non-lemon rs4’s run?

155 g/s maf values per ecu, 8.08 second 3k-8k with 180 lb passenger, timing looked good on vag com

My pbox from last night in 75 degree weather, 997ft DA was 14.78. Better then my 15.86 last summer. when my car vs pete/nick and lost by 2 cars it was running well according to YOU and that I should run at the track and now it’s a lemon with basically better setup than last year.

Is this thread about your car? I have only mentioned your car as it pertained to you racing the REVO B8 last year or whenever that was, and that you did well. I also said that since then you have had literally a dozen problems with your car. If that is not lemony, I don’t know what to say to you. It is an older, higher mileage car that seems to constantly have trouble. If you raced Tsivas and lost, that’s great. I am not sure I would really put much stock in any result from your car at this point, based on its apparent history.

Your 3k-8k runs sound great. I can run 6.6 seconds bone stock if I’m on a downhill. That’s why 3k-8k runs are not much of a bragging tool. Your 60-130 times are really slow. Not much else that can be said about that.

Take your car to the strip and show everyone how strong it is. You seem to think this thread is about you. Carly Simon would be proud.

What’s your 60-130 times?

[bangoman]

Here is saki’s 1st post in this thread.

So I guess now we know a jfonz tuned “stage 3+” b5 s4 is a mid to low12s car. The saviour of the b5 platform. You’re able to send the b5 s4 backwards 5 years in progress, and get applauded for doing so by high schoolers everywhere .

To match that $10,000 build, a b8 guy got tune and exhaust. An rs4 could do so with tune and piggies.

Here’s what stage 3 b5 s4s used to look like. These cars would put a football field on that b5 and b8 in a race right through fifth.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/audi-s4-jhm-11-sec-run_145939.htm

I stand corrected he did bring the RS4 into it. But making the point that exhaust and tune B8 or tune/piggies RS4 would beat a $10k B5 build that probably was a pain in the arse every step of the way (zeroT I’m thinking of you lol).

[sakimano]

Hey question. My 3k-8k log is 8.08. With a 180 lb passener. Is this good? does this constitute it being a lemon? What does non-lemon rs4’s run?

155 g/s maf values per ecu, 8.08 second 3k-8k with 180 lb passenger, timing looked good on vag com

My pbox from last night in 75 degree weather, 997ft DA was 14.78. Better then my 15.86 last summer. when my car vs pete/nick and lost by 2 cars it was running well according to YOU and that I should run at the track and now it’s a lemon with basically better setup than last year.

Is this thread about your car? I have only mentioned your car as it pertained to you racing the REVO B8 last year or whenever that was, and that you did well. I also said that since then you have had literally a dozen problems with your car. If that is not lemony, I don’t know what to say to you. It is an older, higher mileage car that seems to constantly have trouble. If you raced Tsivas and lost, that’s great. I am not sure I would really put much stock in any result from your car at this point, based on its apparent history.

Your 3k-8k runs sound great. I can run 6.6 seconds bone stock if I’m on a downhill. That’s why 3k-8k runs are not much of a bragging tool. Your 60-130 times are really slow. Not much else that can be said about that.

Take your car to the strip and show everyone how strong it is. You seem to think this thread is about you. Carly Simon would be proud.

What’s your 60-130 times?

My car is bone stock so it’s not very interesting. It went 13.75 a couple of times in good DA (like really good…-1500 or something). I haven’t tested it since, and likely won’t test it again. Although I did just get a carbon clean done. The other time it had 40,000 miles of carbon. Maybe I should check it to see.

I did however take my car to the dragstrip and ran 12.75 @ 108.36 which is the stock RS4 quarter mile record.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2zYzRiNDnk

I raced a C63 that day as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhGs3NeaQk

I raced an APR 93 tuned B8 S4 another day
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwVIdAp3ZE

I raced a GIAC 91 tuned B8 S4 another day and beat him too.

I also have done extensive PBOX and GTECH 0-60 and 0-100 mph testing. (0-60 4.39 and 4.45 seconds)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoV0lB3g3kE

Anything else?

[Auditude3.0T]

One last point I forgot to cover…

JHM Supercharger AKA your go-to argument when you run out of things to say.

The JHM Blower is 8k according to your quote which i’ll use since it’s not on their website.

Ok, so the JHM Blower is 8k. Cool beans. You still need to go Full Bolt-ons plus everything I listed above to hit the numbers JHM got. So now you’re at over 15k without the Stage 5 clutch which is needed over the Stage 4. So no, its not 8k. It’s really 15k before any labor costs. Add that on and you’re probably closing in on 20k.

and you know what, a V8 with a supercharger sure as hell should beat a 6 cylinder with a stock blower.

I’d love to see a bone stock, non carbon cleaned RS4 with just a blower. Bet you it’ll go high 11’s and 120-121. That’s if the stock clutch doesn’t grenade.

Again you don’t listen.

I said that for $8,000 blower installed + piggies (free) on the rs4 that’s formidable and if tsivas27 wants to roll out massive mod lists like the one on his car or your car, fine let’s do this. Stock rs4 clutch. Why would the stock clutch 'grenade '? It’s an RS4 not a B8 S4. I have 100 dragstrip passes on my stock clutch and who knows how many more launches on the street, along with 50,000 miles of daily driving. It’s not made of glass.

You don’t need a giant mod list. That jhm basic kit setup is good for high elevens at high teens on california 91(yes they tested the shit out of it eighteen months the ago) Think you have any answer for that in tsivas27 or your b8? Tell you what superstar, go put 91 in your b8 and see how you do. I’m predicting 12.4 @ 112. Stop being foolish.

With their $11,000 Intercooled kit and clutch, exhaust etc jhm went 11.3 @ 126. On 93. Race gas? lol

Why do I need a giant mod list? To make you feel better about the costs? We have all seen George and Dan go 12. 2 with extensive mod lists. Great for them… They were beta cars and were testing every single part. Almost nobody buys every single part. We have also seen other mildly modded cars go nearly as quick. I bet my car could go 12.38 @ 112 with tune and piggies and stock cat back and maybe LW rotors. Nothing else. Is that so implausible…that I should be able to pick up 3-4 tenths and 2-3 mph? Not at all. Again though I originally said mid to low 12s for an rs4 with those mods. A. K. A. 12.2-12.5. Easily attainable.

So again…who are you arguing with here? Yourself?

Lol here you go again… “With their $11,000 intercooled kit and clutch, exhaust etc… They went 11.3@126”

That’s an awesome time, but the etc isn’t just some nuts and bolts… It’s an $11,000 supercharger kit + $1800 clutch, + $480 shifter kit, $1,310 LW rotors, $1750 Catback, $1050 in Downpipes, $250 intake spacers, $400 for the crank pulley, and their car has a rebuilt tranny but I won’t count that…

So let me rephrase that for you since you like to twist things and get overtly sensitive when it comes to the RS4.

With $18,040.00 plus shipping and labor costs the B7 RS4 on 93 ran a 11.3@126. You fail to mention the other $7,000 in mods like its .50 cents or something.

[sakimano]

Lol here you go again… “With their $11,000 intercooled kit and clutch, exhaust etc… They went 11.3@126”

That’s an awesome time, but the etc isn’t just some nuts and bolts… It’s an $11,000 supercharger kit + $1800 clutch, + $480 shifter kit, $1,310 LW rotors, $1750 Catback, $1050 in Downpipes, $250 intake spacers, $400 for the crank pulley, and their car has a rebuilt tranny but I won’t count that…

So let me rephrase that for you since you like to twist things and get overtly sensitive when it comes to the RS4.

With $18,040.00 plus shipping and labor costs the B7 RS4 on 93 ran a 11.3@126. You fail to mention the other $7,000 in mods like its .50 cents or something.

Are you retarded? I showed the $11,000 price of the intercooled stage 2 kit because it’s not the $7900 stage 1 kit I was referring to. You all along were talking like there’s only the one balls to the wall kit. I was explaining to you that the $7900 kit I referred to can be run with just piggies and THAT IS IT. That’s $7,900 in mods + free piggies.

The kit you are aware of is the one that went 11.3 @ 126, a.k.a. the $11,000 stage 2 kit. That car had all the mods.

There’s no intention to deceive you about the cost here Pete. That 11.3 @ 126 time on pump gas is totally irrelevant and I never once brought it into the discussion other than to clarify for you that there are two kits. One that needs all the bolt ons, and one that does not. You seem to think you can’t buy a JHM stage 1 supercharger kit without $3000 exhaust and $500 shifter trio. Guess what…you can.

B7 RS4 = $30,000
JHM stage 1 = $7900
Piggies = DIY FREE

That’s it. That’s a very potent car that will make way over 400 whp on 91, and will keep someone very happy. Your B8 S4 would NEVER get close to it on the same fuel with $7900 into it. That was the point.

Jesus you really don’t read anything I type. You just launch into some tirade about how Dan @ JHM has a million mods on his car. Newsflash…it’s the fucking test car. And you’re the ONLY one to bring it into discussion.

You want to talk about expensive mods? The B8 S4 is crazy expensive. $2000 for a tune + pulley??!!! $2000 for a catback??!!!

Let’s REALLY look at your car. You had what on your B8 S4? Just so we’re being open here.

1. tune
2. pulley
3. APR CPS
4. 034 test pipes
5. Roc intake
6. AWE catback
7. LW wheels (guess those are free?)
8. shifter?
9. clutch + FW

You’re pushing $10,000 with that. On a $50,000 car. And you barely scraped out 12.1 on normal fuel? That’s what you’re bragging about every 5 minutes? lololol

[Auditude3.0T]

There’s a lot of crossed wires here. My impression was that saki and Chrisk were essentially saying the b5 is a truly dead platform and long live the b8. And then the rs4 got dragged into it. Somehow.

Exactly…B8 sensitivity shields are on full right now. Lots of crybaby bullshit. I make a point that the B5 in the video is barely hanging around a B8 with hardly any mods…and those cars would likely be mid to low 12s cars, like a barely modded RS4…and the B8 guys take offense lol.

None of us are being sensitive…

Problem is your a little over sensitive over the RS4 and JHM meanwhile nobody has bashed either of them…

In fact almost every thread on this entire forum that mentions anything that ran a good time besides an RS4 their will undoubtedly be a post where you mention “JHM”, “RS4” “blower” “7900” and the word “free”.

Nobody ever said the RS4 was slow or that the B8 is the king of the road…

Problem you have is that the S4 is always mentioned as having a 10k modlist where as the RS4 just gets free piggies and a tune to match performance…

My S4 had ~6500 bucks into it and their was no way an RS4 with piggies and a tune was gonna even come close. With JHM Full Bolts ons (over 7k) it would probably be a good race but I still think that the race would favor the S4… And yes I’m talking about pump 93 bc you’ll probably bring race gas into this in your response.

[Auditude3.0T]

There’s a lot of crossed wires here. My impression was that saki and Chrisk were essentially saying the b5 is a truly dead platform and long live the b8. And then the rs4 got dragged into it. Somehow.

Exactly…B8 sensitivity shields are on full right now. Lots of crybaby bullshit. I make a point that the B5 in the video is barely hanging around a B8 with hardly any mods…and those cars would likely be mid to low 12s cars, like a barely modded RS4…and the B8 guys take offense lol.

None of us are being sensitive…

Problem is your a little over sensitive over the RS4 and JHM meanwhile nobody has bashed either of them…

In fact almost every thread on this entire forum that mentions anything that ran a good time besides an RS4 their will undoubtedly be a post where you mention “JHM”, “RS4” “blower” “7900” and the word “free”.

Nobody ever said the RS4 was slow or that the B8 is the king of the road…

Problem you have is that the S4 is always mentioned as having a 10k modlist where as the RS4 just gets free piggies and a tune to match performance…

My S4 had ~6500 bucks into it and their was no way an RS4 with piggies and a tune was gonna even come close. With JHM Full Bolts ons (over 7k) it would probably be a good race but I still think that the race would favor the S4… And yes I’m talking about pump 93 bc you’ll probably bring race gas into this in your response.

Damn I’m good, you posted a response while I was posting and look at that… Your posts mention JHM, 7900, free, rs4 blower…

How’d i know that was coming…

[Auditude3.0T]

Lol here you go again… “With their $11,000 intercooled kit and clutch, exhaust etc… They went 11.3@126”

That’s an awesome time, but the etc isn’t just some nuts and bolts… It’s an $11,000 supercharger kit + $1800 clutch, + $480 shifter kit, $1,310 LW rotors, $1750 Catback, $1050 in Downpipes, $250 intake spacers, $400 for the crank pulley, and their car has a rebuilt tranny but I won’t count that…

So let me rephrase that for you since you like to twist things and get overtly sensitive when it comes to the RS4.

With $18,040.00 plus shipping and labor costs the B7 RS4 on 93 ran a 11.3@126. You fail to mention the other $7,000 in mods like its .50 cents or something.

Are you retarded? I showed the $11,000 price of the intercooled stage 2 kit because it’s not the $7900 stage 1 kit I was referring to. You all along were talking like there’s only the one balls to the wall kit. I was explaining to you that the $7900 kit I referred to can be run with just piggies and THAT IS IT. That’s $7,900 in mods + free piggies.

The kit you are aware of is the one that went 11.3 @ 126, a.k.a. the $11,000 stage 2 kit. That car had all the mods.

There’s no intention to deceive you about the cost here Pete. That 11.3 @ 126 time on pump gas is totally irrelevant and I never once brought it into the discussion other than to clarify for you that there are two kits. One that needs all the bolt ons, and one that does not. You seem to think you can’t buy a JHM stage 1 supercharger kit without $3000 exhaust and $500 shifter trio. Guess what…you can.

B7 RS4 = $30,000
JHM stage 1 = $7900
Piggies = DIY FREE

That’s it. That’s a very potent car that will make way over 400 whp on 91, and will keep someone very happy. Your B8 S4 would NEVER get close to it on the same fuel with $7900 into it. That was the point.

Jesus you really don’t read anything I type. You just launch into some tirade about how Dan @ JHM has a million mods on his car. Newsflash…it’s the fucking test car. And you’re the ONLY one to bring it into discussion.

You want to talk about expensive mods? The B8 S4 is crazy expensive. $2000 for a tune + pulley??!!! $2000 for a catback??!!!

Let’s REALLY look at your car. You had what on your B8 S4? Just so we’re being open here.

1. tune
2. pulley
3. APR CPS
4. 034 test pipes
5. Roc intake
6. AWE catback
7. LW wheels (guess those are free?)
8. shifter?
9. clutch + FW

You’re pushing $10,000 with that. On a $50,000 car. And you barely scraped out 12.1 on normal fuel? That’s what you’re bragging about every 5 minutes? lololol

What do you mean barely scraped a 12.1? I ran two 12.1 runs out of two runs I did and my first time launching the car and at the track. You even said that if I kept going that day I would have been in the 11’s.

I broke down my mod list already. I was on stock 19" wheels for my 12.1 and pump fuel.
GIAC Stage 2 Software- 1200
AWE Pulley- 549
Roc Euro Intake- 320
APR CPS- $1000
034 Testpipes- 400
AWE Catback- 1700
AWE Downpipes- 500
Roc Euro Short shifter- 120
FX400 Clutch- 700

Any RS4 that is 30k is gonna be beat up and need a shitload of little parts and a clutch if you start racing it. Plus that’s used. An RS4 is a 73k car.

Why must you quote a brand new price for the S4 and used price for the RS4. Last year I paid $35,200 for my B8 S4. So it’s not 50k and its not 10k in mods.

The JHM Catback for the RS4 with the sale price is $1,750. The AWE Catback for the S4 is $1,700.

[Rs4_tony]

Hey question. My 3k-8k log is 8.08. With a 180 lb passener. Is this good? does this constitute it being a lemon? What does non-lemon rs4’s run?

155 g/s maf values per ecu, 8.08 second 3k-8k with 180 lb passenger, timing looked good on vag com

My pbox from last night in 75 degree weather, 997ft DA was 14.78. Better then my 15.86 last summer. when my car vs pete/nick and lost by 2 cars it was running well according to YOU and that I should run at the track and now it’s a lemon with basically better setup than last year.

Is this thread about your car? I have only mentioned your car as it pertained to you racing the REVO B8 last year or whenever that was, and that you did well. I also said that since then you have had literally a dozen problems with your car. If that is not lemony, I don’t know what to say to you. It is an older, higher mileage car that seems to constantly have trouble. If you raced Tsivas and lost, that’s great. I am not sure I would really put much stock in any result from your car at this point, based on its apparent history.

Your 3k-8k runs sound great. I can run 6.6 seconds bone stock if I’m on a downhill. That’s why 3k-8k runs are not much of a bragging tool. Your 60-130 times are really slow. Not much else that can be said about that.

Take your car to the strip and show everyone how strong it is. You seem to think this thread is about you. Carly Simon would be proud.

What’s your 60-130 times?

My car is bone stock so it’s not very interesting. It went 13.75 a couple of times in good DA (like really good…-1500 or something). I haven’t tested it since, and likely won’t test it again. Although I did just get a carbon clean done. The other time it had 40,000 miles of carbon. Maybe I should check it to see.

I did however take my car to the dragstrip and ran 12.75 @ 108.36 which is the stock RS4 quarter mile record.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2zYzRiNDnk

I raced a C63 that day as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhGs3NeaQk

I raced an APR 93 tuned B8 S4 another day
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwVIdAp3ZE

I raced a GIAC 91 tuned B8 S4 another day and beat him too.

I also have done extensive PBOX and GTECH 0-60 and 0-100 mph testing. (0-60 4.39 and 4.45 seconds)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoV0lB3g3kE

Anything else?

Do some pbox 60-130 tonight. I’m going to go with less gas on shell 93 pump again. I was on half tank last night. Sound fair? This is also the first night I’m beating on the car for a month since the pulley failure then braking in the clutch.

[sakimano]

Yes, I keep repeating myself, because you’re too dense to READ THE FUCKING SCREEN

Apparently you think I said something that seems to have gotten you and tsivas and your iphones all upset. Here’s what you said:

So indeed less than a JHM RS4 which Saki would like us all to believe costs $500 to mod and becomes a low 12 second B8 killer.

WHERE did I say the RS4 with tune/piggies was a B8 S4 killer?

Clearly you girls are all upset about something that was NEVER said.

[Auditude3.0T]

I see (3) Full Bolt on JHM cars on the list…

12.28@112.45, 12.29@111.2 and 12.51@112.6 and also a APR Supercharged car with JHM Bolt ons that ran a 11.87@119.05.

Why are all those cars left out of your argument?

The only one on 91 is the 12.29@111.2 the others are 93 hence the higher trap speeds.

[sakimano]

Do some pbox 60-130 tonight. I’m going to go with less gas on shell 93 pump again. I was on half tank last night. Sound fair? This is also the first night I’m beating on the car for a month since the pulley failure then braking in the clutch.

No. 60-130 is lame as fuck.

Go to englishtown or ATCO and put up a timeslip. We’re not ricers.

[Auditude3.0T]

Do some pbox 60-130 tonight. I’m going to go with less gas on shell 93 pump again. I was on half tank last night. Sound fair? This is also the first night I’m beating on the car for a month since the pulley failure then braking in the clutch.

No. 60-130 is lame as fuck.

Go to englishtown or ATCO and put up a timeslip. We’re not ricers.

Yeah Tony, didnt you know? The 1/4 mile is the ONLY race that matters in regards to Automobiles. Anything else is stupid or ricer.

[Jspazz]

Where’s the fucking panda Rich

[sakimano]

Auditurd (yes, you earned the name back) stop playing games and answer the question. You started this shit storm, so I want you to see where you were wrong, and apologize.

WHERE did I say the RS4 with tune/piggies was a B8 S4 killer/beater?

[Rs4_tony]

Do some pbox 60-130 tonight. I’m going to go with less gas on shell 93 pump again. I was on half tank last night. Sound fair? This is also the first night I’m beating on the car for a month since the pulley failure then braking in the clutch.

No. 60-130 is lame as fuck.

Go to englishtown or ATCO and put up a timeslip. We’re not ricers.

Yeah Tony, didnt you know? The 1/4 mile is the ONLY race that matters in regards to Automobiles. Anything else is stupid or ricer.

I guess this is the new time. Pbox is long gone now. All those gtr’s. turbo s’s, audis, m3’s etc are ricers. At least we’re fast ricers.

If its pointless info why does motor trend use pbox? 60-90 times 0-100 times 0-60. 60-130 Etc? I think it’s a pretty valuable tool to see how you increase speeds from weather conditions or mods in higher speeds where in a 1/4 mile your top speed recorded it <120

[Jspazz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TQ0_XILqw

[Rs4_tony]

Hey man rs4 is fast but I don’t see it beating a b8 s4 without forced induction. It’s just that the new audi’s moved onto better mpg engines and unfortunately it brought that platform to more horsepower with little money in mods. That’s life idk why you guys are fighting over a rs4 that’s 7 years old with old technology vs 1-3 years old of newer technology.

[Auditude3.0T]

Auditurd (yes, you earned the name back) stop playing games and answer the question. You started this shit storm, so I want you to see where you were wrong, and apologize.

WHERE did I say the RS4 with tune/piggies was a B8 S4 killer/beater?

Unlike you Ian, I don’t have all day to search posts on a forum. You have said it in the past that an S4 would need race gas to beat a modded RS4 and in this thread alone you refer to the best RS4 times and the worst S4 tuned times to glorify the RS4 as usual.

[sakimano]

Notice how quiet Auditurd is now that he realises he started a load of shit for nothing. he suddenly has no time to look at the posts. Even though he claims I said something (which I didn’t)

Half a dozen other people have posted in this thread trying to point you in the right direction…to realise that you entirely misquoted me and made a bunch of anti-b8 shit up.

Now he’s making up more quotes ‘you have said in the past’ etc. WTF is wrong with you? Just go to page one, and read my original posts. It’s simple. I never once said the RS4 with tune/piggies is a B8 S4 stage 2 or tuned or anything beater. I said the B8 with tune/exhaaust mods and the RS4 with the same are mid to low 12s cars, which is what the stage III B5 S4s are today. It’s sad for the B5.