What a great present for us on Christmas day…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

B8 S4
#27

The question was valid, he talks bad about all the tunes yet had no personal experience with them on this chassis

I agree the 6MT clutch is horrible and add of now no idea how much the dsg will handle. For all we know the stage 2 might be the most power the block/transmission can handle and we won’t see big power until these have been out for a couple more years and drop into the 20k price point

I’m sure most will agree that until a tuning solution that allows customization comes around we will be handicapped by what the software companies want to bring to market in parts

#28

huh? You’re really a complete butthurt retard. Show me where I ‘talk bad’ about all the tunes.

I said EPL has a history of sucking dick, and when challenged to prove that wrong, you produced a fabricated story about a timeslip that you’re not allowed to talk about. GIAC has done well, APR has done well, REVO has produced results but with questionable parameters. What you’ll find is that I speak facts. It’s easy to get annoyed by facts, I realise. Sorry, but that’s just how it’s going to be.

p.s. you’re about to not be able to log in. Don’t panic…it’s nothing wrong with your account. It hasn’t been hacked. It’s because 20+ different people on the site have given you negative karma for sucking so bad. So enjoy the next 2 days…and then make your way back to Audizine where people will ooh and ahh about your fancy EPL ‘custom’ tune.

#29

the sad part is that you and others have taken me personally and even gone as far as making yourself look like a lower class fool by calling some a “retard” and i have yet to insult your personally, i have came with facts and truth, it might not be a truth you want to hear but its truth.

show me one post where i have said something that you can prove i was wrong? just because i go against the grain doesnt mean i am wrong and i dont take what someone says or does on a forum personally. it seems that you do :slight_smile:

if this is how a knowledgeable person is treated here its no wonder there isnt much info on the forums except for apr/giac fan boys who continue to drink the kool aid and pay 400x mark up for parts/tunes

#30

Wrong? Easy, see: 400x APR/GIAC mark up comment.

You know the argument is over when someone brings up the high road argument.

#31

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

#32

If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’

http://web.stagram.com/p/595067619858944261_7105483

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#33

There was never a real argument. There was constant back stepping and excises. Sakimano was 100% right sax wanted to bumble over and over about what could be… We all have been talking about what is… Some dumb shit makes some hack twin inducted system and we are suposed to duool over it… no… people get excited about REAL companys making REAL parts… Lets say MC china makes XXX power. Who cares if you have a shit reputation and are known for being a conartist and china knock off. Then EPL. EPL might be the best thing that ever happend to the B8 S4… they havent proven it yet… AMS might be great but they are stupid if they think proing up EPL is going to win them fans…

What sax isn’t getting is FACTS FACTS… REPUTATION… who cars if jo knock off made 800whp. People want real safe consistant proven products. We have said even if AMS HAS made proven products. This isn’t a EVO or a GTR…PROOF is in the results and not just random

Here is what the stupid people say…

Oh AR is just abuntch of JHM fan boys… Till people start cheering about APR and there great work… THEN its AR is a buntch of APR fanboys… Till people here start cheering for TTS… then AR is a buntch of AR fanboys… Till people start giving good marks to GIAC and AWE…then AR is a GIAC fanboy site… FACT is AR and the members have spoken…if SAX or anyone that wants to talk fairy tale wishes or might be and bla bla if you have a shit past your going to get held accountabe…

You got called a RETARD because you are acting like one…That is your fault not the fault of the web site…SAX your RETARTED if you think you came with facts and truth…your -37 karma says you have just come with a bag of excuses and WHA WHAAA

#34

Sure just like the B5 S4s were making the same… Its the same BS as in the past. A china knock off shop looking to use a dyno to sell parts… OH WAIT… I Just made 650 wtq check my instigram for a picture…FYI the guy that claims to have this great kit was banned off AZ for biing a scam…

#35

you sound like a bunch of school kids calling people names … really not to mention you sound IGNORANT calling someone a retard… call me stupid or say i dont know shit and i should go fuck myself but calling someone a retard is just ignorant

you might know what these companies have done in the past but i could give a shit what xyz has done in the past … i dont buy into names i buy into products and what they can do for me

are there any audi forums who have true enthusiasts who work on their own cars, who know whats involved with tuning a car and who want performance and not shiney parts with labels removed and 400x mark up

#36

Its not ignorant when its true… I think the issue is that it is true and you don’t like being told that…

If this was true then you have an APR tune on your car right…or GIAC… As they have been proven… If you don’t know your past you don’t know your future. In the past all the companys with Audi experience have proven the same in the future. If you believe what you just posted then you have been lying the entire time…

If you bought into products that can do for you. Did you not want the best product.

#37

Ahhh good to know…

#38

if thats true i should have an ams tune, i do believe they have much faster cars than anything apr or giac has if you want to go by past performance…

you idiots ALMOST make me regret getting an audi, the forums here are worse than any bmw forum let alone the s2000 forums

you do realize that you wouldnt talk like this in person and if you did im sure youd have your ass knocked out if you called someone a retard who clearly has more mechanical/automotive knowledge than you do

#39

This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.

I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.

To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.

I’d love to see what you come up with!

#40

Assuming market prices for B8 S4 stage 1…

ETG: $849
apr: $1249

Utilizing your mythical 400% markup for APR/GIAC tune, working backwards that gives a variable cost for a stage 1 tune ~$312.25

Using your hypothetical markup as the index, I calculate Epic Tuning Group’s stage 1 tune @~172% markup.

If we are to apply the same logic, ETG is only less guilty of excessive profiteering.

Now is APR/GIAC’s tune worth 47% more than ETG’s tune? The market says yes (sales).

Why? Because they have a higher probability of answering our emails and being in business 120 days from now.

#41

Lol “you don’t own X car so you can’t talk about it or be interested in it”

I don’t own an Audi. And look where I am.

Regarding the high price on the tunes…when I almost bought an MK6 GTI, I planned on getting APR tuned because of their reputation, and I can call anytime and get answers to questions. Sure, at the time the Unitronic cars were faster, but their reputation is shady at best when it comes to reliability. Would an email tune work for my Cobra? Sure, and it would only cost $200. But I paid $500 to have one of the best tuners in the country personally tune it and I might have made less power but the car drives great, and I could probably email him a question right now and have an answer by tomorrow.

Don’t assume APR’s cost is remotely near Engine Timebomb Garage
Get the point? It’s not a numbers game.

#42

Saxon…your stupid, don’t know shit, and go fuck yourself.

Why does your dumbass assume that none of us work on our own cars or do our own maintenance. You should also be able to appreciate that “tuning” should be left to those with actual calibration experience, not kids in their parents basement.

How many pictures would you like me to post of my motor pull, head rebuild and timing chain job? or clutch job, or other 2nd gen DSM motors I’ve built. You aren’t here to stick up for companies or show other options, you have another agenda in my opinion. We give plenty of companies a chance on AR, but we don’t have room for bullshit…yours or theirs. EFTG is just pumping all of the idiots up to try and sell a few kits as quick as they can before they change their name again and go after another market.

#43

i said part, a tune is intellectual and especially with your tune there is no parts or hardware involved for an end user

i guarantee you make more than that on your pulley tool and pulley though :slight_smile:

#44

You got called a retard because you either cant read or your rearted.

AMS has no experience in your part of the Audi market and so far they are not the fastest with teh tune they have…

I would be more then happy to call you a reaterd to your face. Ive built tuned and raced cars for plenty of years. I know you hide behind a key board but in real life I would say the same things to you and the people who don’t have a clue. You might get your internet big guy.

#45

We make a butt load on the pulley when you take out the software, but it doesn’t do squat without software.

The pulley puller tools markup is lower then most products iirc. It’s mostly purchased by dealers anyways.

#46

i would love for that scenario with this chassis…