What a great present for us on Christmas day…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[B6JoeS4]

Lol “you don’t own X car so you can’t talk about it or be interested in it”

I don’t own an Audi. And look where I am.

Regarding the high price on the tunes…when I almost bought an MK6 GTI, I planned on getting APR tuned because of their reputation, and I can call anytime and get answers to questions. Sure, at the time the Unitronic cars were faster, but their reputation is shady at best when it comes to reliability. Would an email tune work for my Cobra? Sure, and it would only cost $200. But I paid $500 to have one of the best tuners in the country personally tune it and I might have made less power but the car drives great, and I could probably email him a question right now and have an answer by tomorrow.

Don’t assume APR’s cost is remotely near Engine Timebomb Garage
Get the point? It’s not a numbers game.

[euroswagr]

Saxon…your stupid, don’t know shit, and go fuck yourself.

Why does your dumbass assume that none of us work on our own cars or do our own maintenance. You should also be able to appreciate that “tuning” should be left to those with actual calibration experience, not kids in their parents basement.

How many pictures would you like me to post of my motor pull, head rebuild and timing chain job? or clutch job, or other 2nd gen DSM motors I’ve built. You aren’t here to stick up for companies or show other options, you have another agenda in my opinion. We give plenty of companies a chance on AR, but we don’t have room for bullshit…yours or theirs. EFTG is just pumping all of the idiots up to try and sell a few kits as quick as they can before they change their name again and go after another market.

[saxon]

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.

I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.

To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.

I’d love to see what you come up with!

i said part, a tune is intellectual and especially with your tune there is no parts or hardware involved for an end user

i guarantee you make more than that on your pulley tool and pulley though

[ChrisK]

if thats true i should have an ams tune, i do believe they have much faster cars than anything apr or giac has if you want to go by past performance…

you idiots ALMOST make me regret getting an audi, the forums here are worse than any bmw forum let alone the s2000 forums

you do realize that you wouldnt talk like this in person and if you did im sure youd have your ass knocked out if you called someone a retard who clearly has more mechanical/automotive knowledge than you do

You got called a retard because you either cant read or your rearted.

AMS has no experience in your part of the Audi market and so far they are not the fastest with teh tune they have…

I would be more then happy to call you a reaterd to your face. Ive built tuned and raced cars for plenty of years. I know you hide behind a key board but in real life I would say the same things to you and the people who don’t have a clue. You might get your internet big guy.

[Arin]

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.

I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.

To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.

I’d love to see what you come up with!

i said part, a tune is intellectual and especially with your tune there is no parts or hardware involved for an end user

i guarantee you make more than that on your pulley tool and pulley though

We make a butt load on the pulley when you take out the software, but it doesn’t do squat without software.

The pulley puller tools markup is lower then most products iirc. It’s mostly purchased by dealers anyways.

[saxon]

Lol “you don’t own X car so you can’t talk about it or be interested in it”

I don’t own an Audi. And look where I am.

Regarding the high price on the tunes…when I almost bought an MK6 GTI, I planned on getting APR tuned because of their reputation, and I can call anytime and get answers to questions. Sure, at the time the Unitronic cars were faster, but their reputation is shady at best when it comes to reliability. Would an email tune work for my Cobra? Sure, and it would only cost $200. But I paid $500 to have one of the best tuners in the country personally tune it and I might have made less power but the car drives great, and I could probably email him a question right now and have an answer by tomorrow.

Don’t assume APR’s cost is remotely near Engine Timebomb Garage
Get the point? It’s not a numbers game.

i would love for that scenario with this chassis…

[saxon]

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.

I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.

To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.

I’d love to see what you come up with!

i said part, a tune is intellectual and especially with your tune there is no parts or hardware involved for an end user

i guarantee you make more than that on your pulley tool and pulley though

We make a butt load on the pulley when you take out the software, but it doesn’t do squat without software.

The pulley puller tools markup is lower then most products iirc. It’s mostly purchased by dealers anyways.

so could someone buy your stage 2 software without a pulley and supply their own?

[500HPS5]

If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’

http://web.stagram.com/p/595067619858944261_7105483

You may want to reserve judgement on this one, I’ve seen the numbers.

[Arin]

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.

I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.

To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.

I’d love to see what you come up with!

i said part, a tune is intellectual and especially with your tune there is no parts or hardware involved for an end user

i guarantee you make more than that on your pulley tool and pulley though

We make a butt load on the pulley when you take out the software, but it doesn’t do squat without software.

The pulley puller tools markup is lower then most products iirc. It’s mostly purchased by dealers anyways.

so could someone buy your stage 2 software without a pulley and supply their own?

Sure! It’s the same price with or without pulley and new belt.

[Arin]

Lol “you don’t own X car so you can’t talk about it or be interested in it”

I don’t own an Audi. And look where I am.

Regarding the high price on the tunes…when I almost bought an MK6 GTI, I planned on getting APR tuned because of their reputation, and I can call anytime and get answers to questions. Sure, at the time the Unitronic cars were faster, but their reputation is shady at best when it comes to reliability. Would an email tune work for my Cobra? Sure, and it would only cost $200. But I paid $500 to have one of the best tuners in the country personally tune it and I might have made less power but the car drives great, and I could probably email him a question right now and have an answer by tomorrow.

Don’t assume APR’s cost is remotely near Engine Timebomb Garage
Get the point? It’s not a numbers game.

i would love for that scenario with this chassis…

Good luck. Anyone worth a damn wouldn’t give it up for $500 a pop. If they did, they clearly didn’t spend much figuring out what they are changing (they don’t really know). That said, this car doesn’t run on one of those crappy engine management systems that requires custom tunes for each and every car.

[sakimano]

The question was valid, he talks bad about all the tunes yet had no personal experience with them on this chassis

huh? You’re really a complete butthurt retard. Show me where I ‘talk bad’ about all the tunes.

I said EPL has a history of sucking dick, and when challenged to prove that wrong, you produced a fabricated story about a timeslip that you’re not allowed to talk about. GIAC has done well, APR has done well, REVO has produced results but with questionable parameters. What you’ll find is that I speak facts. It’s easy to get annoyed by facts, I realise. Sorry, but that’s just how it’s going to be.

p.s. you’re about to not be able to log in. Don’t panic…it’s nothing wrong with your account. It hasn’t been hacked. It’s because 20+ different people on the site have given you negative karma for sucking so bad. So enjoy the next 2 days…and then make your way back to Audizine where people will ooh and ahh about your fancy EPL ‘custom’ tune.

show me one post where i have said something that you can prove i was wrong? apr/giac fan boys who continue to drink the kool aid and pay 400x mark up for parts/tunes

Wrong? Easy, see: 400x APR/GIAC mark up comment.

You know the argument is over when someone brings up the high road argument.

show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up

according to my calculator, 400x = 40,000%

[500HPS5]

Maybe x was a variable for .001%?

[sakimano]

If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’

http://web.stagram.com/p/595067619858944261_7105483

You may want to reserve judgement on this one, I’ve seen the numbers.

You have? Cool. Post up the timeslip.

Right after you post an impressive headers timeslip that we’ve been waiting 2 years for.

;D

and I hope to fuck you don’t mean dyno numbers when you say numbers…

[sakimano]

Lol “you don’t own X car so you can’t talk about it or be interested in it”

I don’t own an Audi. And look where I am.

Regarding the high price on the tunes…when I almost bought an MK6 GTI, I planned on getting APR tuned because of their reputation, and I can call anytime and get answers to questions. Sure, at the time the Unitronic cars were faster, but their reputation is shady at best when it comes to reliability. Would an email tune work for my Cobra? Sure, and it would only cost $200. But I paid $500 to have one of the best tuners in the country personally tune it and I might have made less power but the car drives great, and I could probably email him a question right now and have an answer by tomorrow.

Don’t assume APR’s cost is remotely near Engine Timebomb Garage
Get the point? It’s not a numbers game.

i would love for that scenario with this chassis…

Good luck. Anyone worth a damn wouldn’t give it up for $500 a pop. If they did, they clearly didn’t spend much figuring out what they are changing (they don’t really know). That said, this car doesn’t run on one of those crappy engine management systems that requires custom tunes for each and every car.

but Arin…Saxon is smart and used to own riced up shitboxes and everything he learned there translates here.

[500HPS5]

If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’

http://web.stagram.com/p/595067619858944261_7105483

You may want to reserve judgement on this one, I’ve seen the numbers.

You have? Cool. Post up the timeslip.

Right after you post an impressive headers timeslip that we’ve been waiting 2 years for.

;D

and I hope to fuck you don’t mean dyno numbers when you say numbers…

The headers that are on the two fastest recorded vbox runs?

[clochner]

If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’

http://web.stagram.com/p/595067619858944261_7105483

You may want to reserve judgement on this one, I’ve seen the numbers.

You have? Cool. Post up the timeslip.

Right after you post an impressive headers timeslip that we’ve been waiting 2 years for.

;D

and I hope to fuck you don’t mean dyno numbers when you say numbers…

The headers that are on the two fastest recorded vbox runs?

Lol.

[euroswagr]

Vbox runs…awesome proof. Let me guess…60-130

[DWITH]

Spend 3-500 on a sweet “custom” tune you have to redo everytime you change something on the car or a tad more for a proven tune that adapts to a certain extent… hmmm. The tune on my S4 worked great for all situations here at 5k+ feet of altitude all the way to sea level. The sweet “custom” tune on my eclipse would’ve grenaded if I drove cross country. Different ecus and different world. Took a while for me to wrap my head around as well but I didn’t insist on being a stubborn ass thinking I knew everything because I tinkered with LS motors and Mitsubishis. You’re not a pioneer or an innovator or seemingly intelligent in any aspect Saxon. Just another blowhard that will disappear when it comes time to eat crow.

[saxon]

Spend 3-500 on a sweet “custom” tune you have to redo everytime you change something on the car or a tad more for a proven tune that adapts to a certain extent… hmmm. The tune on my S4 worked great for all situations here at 5k+ feet of altitude all the way to sea level. The sweet “custom” tune on my eclipse would’ve grenaded if I drove cross country. Different ecus and different world. Took a while for me to wrap my head around as well but I didn’t insist on being a stubborn ass thinking I knew everything because I tinkered with LS motors and Mitsubishis. You’re not a pioneer or an innovator or seemingly intelligent in any aspect Saxon. Just another blowhard that will disappear when it comes time to eat crow.

a custom tune will adapt as well, it just allows for mods that allow more airflow (ex headers)

custom tunes also allow for meth injection to work properly and even program fail safes into the factory ecu

actually getting an apr tune next week to take advantage of the sale though as i just want to fit in with everyone else

[bigserve134]

you sound like a bunch of school kids calling people names … really not to mention you sound IGNORANT calling someone a retard… call me stupid or say i dont know shit and i should go fuck myself but calling someone a retard is just ignorant

Its not ignorant when its true… I think the issue is that it is true and you don’t like being told that…

you might know what these companies have done in the past but i could give a shit what xyz has done in the past … i dont buy into names i buy into products and what they can do for me

If this was true then you have an APR tune on your car right…or GIAC… As they have been proven… If you don’t know your past you don’t know your future. In the past all the companys with Audi experience have proven the same in the future. If you believe what you just posted then you have been lying the entire time…

If you bought into products that can do for you. Did you not want the best product.

if thats true i should have an ams tune, i do believe they have much faster cars than anything apr or giac has if you want to go by past performance…

you idiots ALMOST make me regret getting an audi, the forums here are worse than any bmw forum let alone the s2000 forums

you do realize that you wouldnt talk like this in person and if you did im sure youd have your ass knocked out if you called someone a retard who clearly has more mechanical/automotive knowledge than you do

I’d gladly call you a retard to your face and invite you to “knock me out” ;D