Dammit son!!
Your a fool, can you read before you jump to conclusions?
They stated that they should be showing the details all over the Internet and that they shouldn’t be secretive. The fact is they are showing more than apr had shown and they don’t want to release info until they have proof to back up their claims… so basically it’s OK for apr to have a “2 week release time” and a year later no facts but another company can’t have a teaser thread lol
I’ve shown that thread to many people in the auto industry and they laugh at audi enthusiasts who think their ecu is more capable than any other auto manufacturer out there
Btw do you even own a b8 s4?
What difference would that make?
There are a number of members on this site who don’t own a specific model but are nonetheless well versed on the topics they post about.
Just wondering why he gets so worked up about a car that he might not own
I could care less about an rs4 but that’s all I keep hearing about and is not the b8 s4
Its simple we don’t see anything from Chinamotor sports silly rabbit or srm or the other fake internet names the guy has made up… We don’t see anything because its junk… PLAIN and simple… small china drop box opperations like that make stuff and try to WOW us with tid bits of nothing ness.
There is no stats because Im sure the car runs like shit… WOW one dyno pull… lets be honest its running standalone because its a mess and one can figgure that this just like all the other BS this guy has fed the B5 guys is just as big of a joke… incase you missed it this same shop said they made there own intercooler till the B5 guys showed a link to the made in china one that he was bying… Just like his china turbos… The guy didn’t get kicked off AZ because he was a useful member… Its more junk and BS.
The smart ones know it and the loose minded ones make excuses.
What does it matter if he owns a B8 S4 or not? That is such a weak argument that losers like Mick used for such a long time because they didn’t actually have a legitimate response. So you have clumped yourself into such shitty company.
I personally like to see every platform advance and do better but smoke and mirrors tactics are a sad marketing tactic. If anything good comes out of the Silly Rabbit Motorsports crap then it will be APR actually releasing more information about their bigger blower. Also after dealing with a lot of B8 cars in general I think the market still can not deal with actual performance mods. For example, the few manual B8 owners will not spend almost $3K for a proper flywheel and clutch system to replace the crap that comes from the factory and shitty side of the aftermarket.
The question was valid, he talks bad about all the tunes yet had no personal experience with them on this chassis
I agree the 6MT clutch is horrible and add of now no idea how much the dsg will handle. For all we know the stage 2 might be the most power the block/transmission can handle and we won’t see big power until these have been out for a couple more years and drop into the 20k price point
I’m sure most will agree that until a tuning solution that allows customization comes around we will be handicapped by what the software companies want to bring to market in parts
huh? You’re really a complete butthurt retard. Show me where I ‘talk bad’ about all the tunes.
I said EPL has a history of sucking dick, and when challenged to prove that wrong, you produced a fabricated story about a timeslip that you’re not allowed to talk about. GIAC has done well, APR has done well, REVO has produced results but with questionable parameters. What you’ll find is that I speak facts. It’s easy to get annoyed by facts, I realise. Sorry, but that’s just how it’s going to be.
p.s. you’re about to not be able to log in. Don’t panic…it’s nothing wrong with your account. It hasn’t been hacked. It’s because 20+ different people on the site have given you negative karma for sucking so bad. So enjoy the next 2 days…and then make your way back to Audizine where people will ooh and ahh about your fancy EPL ‘custom’ tune.
the sad part is that you and others have taken me personally and even gone as far as making yourself look like a lower class fool by calling some a “retard” and i have yet to insult your personally, i have came with facts and truth, it might not be a truth you want to hear but its truth.
show me one post where i have said something that you can prove i was wrong? just because i go against the grain doesnt mean i am wrong and i dont take what someone says or does on a forum personally. it seems that you do 
if this is how a knowledgeable person is treated here its no wonder there isnt much info on the forums except for apr/giac fan boys who continue to drink the kool aid and pay 400x mark up for parts/tunes
Wrong? Easy, see: 400x APR/GIAC mark up comment.
You know the argument is over when someone brings up the high road argument.
show me one part they sell for the b8 s4 that they dont have 400% mark up
If you guys have instagram…looks like the owner is claiming 600ftlbs of torque…‘amesh101 The first BiCharged B8 S4! 600 ftlbs of Torque on the dyne!’
There was never a real argument. There was constant back stepping and excises. Sakimano was 100% right sax wanted to bumble over and over about what could be… We all have been talking about what is… Some dumb shit makes some hack twin inducted system and we are suposed to duool over it… no… people get excited about REAL companys making REAL parts… Lets say MC china makes XXX power. Who cares if you have a shit reputation and are known for being a conartist and china knock off. Then EPL. EPL might be the best thing that ever happend to the B8 S4… they havent proven it yet… AMS might be great but they are stupid if they think proing up EPL is going to win them fans…
What sax isn’t getting is FACTS FACTS… REPUTATION… who cars if jo knock off made 800whp. People want real safe consistant proven products. We have said even if AMS HAS made proven products. This isn’t a EVO or a GTR…PROOF is in the results and not just random
Here is what the stupid people say…
Oh AR is just abuntch of JHM fan boys… Till people start cheering about APR and there great work… THEN its AR is a buntch of APR fanboys… Till people here start cheering for TTS… then AR is a buntch of AR fanboys… Till people start giving good marks to GIAC and AWE…then AR is a GIAC fanboy site… FACT is AR and the members have spoken…if SAX or anyone that wants to talk fairy tale wishes or might be and bla bla if you have a shit past your going to get held accountabe…
You got called a RETARD because you are acting like one…That is your fault not the fault of the web site…SAX your RETARTED if you think you came with facts and truth…your -37 karma says you have just come with a bag of excuses and WHA WHAAA
Sure just like the B5 S4s were making the same… Its the same BS as in the past. A china knock off shop looking to use a dyno to sell parts… OH WAIT… I Just made 650 wtq check my instigram for a picture…FYI the guy that claims to have this great kit was banned off AZ for biing a scam…
you sound like a bunch of school kids calling people names … really not to mention you sound IGNORANT calling someone a retard… call me stupid or say i dont know shit and i should go fuck myself but calling someone a retard is just ignorant
you might know what these companies have done in the past but i could give a shit what xyz has done in the past … i dont buy into names i buy into products and what they can do for me
are there any audi forums who have true enthusiasts who work on their own cars, who know whats involved with tuning a car and who want performance and not shiney parts with labels removed and 400x mark up
Its not ignorant when its true… I think the issue is that it is true and you don’t like being told that…
If this was true then you have an APR tune on your car right…or GIAC… As they have been proven… If you don’t know your past you don’t know your future. In the past all the companys with Audi experience have proven the same in the future. If you believe what you just posted then you have been lying the entire time…
If you bought into products that can do for you. Did you not want the best product.
Ahhh good to know…
if thats true i should have an ams tune, i do believe they have much faster cars than anything apr or giac has if you want to go by past performance…
you idiots ALMOST make me regret getting an audi, the forums here are worse than any bmw forum let alone the s2000 forums
you do realize that you wouldnt talk like this in person and if you did im sure youd have your ass knocked out if you called someone a retard who clearly has more mechanical/automotive knowledge than you do
This is pretty interesting since I pretty much come up with all of our pricing.
I’d love to see you break down each and every item we sell. I’d love to see what you think our products actually cost.
To make it easy, first try assuming there’s no cost involved with developing an Ecu upgrade or calibrating one too. You can also skip tooling charges and other items that actually contribute to a products actual cost to produce. Once you have those numbers, try going back and figuring out the rest.
I’d love to see what you come up with!
Assuming market prices for B8 S4 stage 1…
ETG: $849
apr: $1249
Utilizing your mythical 400% markup for APR/GIAC tune, working backwards that gives a variable cost for a stage 1 tune ~$312.25
Using your hypothetical markup as the index, I calculate Epic Tuning Group’s stage 1 tune @~172% markup.
If we are to apply the same logic, ETG is only less guilty of excessive profiteering.
Now is APR/GIAC’s tune worth 47% more than ETG’s tune? The market says yes (sales).
Why? Because they have a higher probability of answering our emails and being in business 120 days from now.