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I’m still confused…why not just run them on all four tires. Why bother with PSS on the front then?
pss have A longer thread life. I could go 3 summers on 1 set of PSS where as it would most likely be 1 set of r888 in the front as well.
dunno… just thinking out loud here ;D
You will be fine with just the r888 in the rear and pss in the front. You’re not busing the car THAT hard and it’s not like you won’t find it’s limits. PSS will still hold their own up front
I’m sure you can hear my thoughts loud and clear…lol
So PSSs up front because they’re cheaper. Yeah bora you gotta save your money somewhere, front tires always a good place to start.
The perils of rwd lol
What do you run on the NSX?
RA1s. (Front and rear)
Nothing to do with price actually. Yeah the liner thread life is a bonus but I was actually thinking wet handling.
I figure if I have some pss or ps2 up front it would be safer for my daily commute when it rains than r888 all around.
Plus most of the braking happens up front do better wet conditions braking as well.
What do you think?
P.s. I would never cheap out on rubber. But there has to be a good combo out there to suit my specific needs with regards to wanting good performance and being a reliable dd without changing wheels depending on weather
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Personally I think this is stupid. Nif you want stretch tires, get street tires.
Why are we talking about getting r compound track tires for his daily driver?
Silly. Get pss all around. End of it. If you want some slicks for the once per year dragstrip day, go nuts… But don’t buy your tires for the other 200 days per year based on the 1 day you re at the track. Just don’t race any audis from a dig and you will be fine.
Wet handling would absolutely be better with all 4 tires the same…the biggest issue isn’t ultimate grip, but F/R balance. When you spin the rears in a corner, the fronts WILL slide too, because of yaw. When it starts sliding in a corner, the only thing that matters is F/R balance and predictability, not ultimate grip. You’ll be way better off if all 4 tires behave the same in the same weather and road conditions.
But then it goes back to R-compounds…when new, they actually are better in the wet than any extreme or max tire (excluding the ones that resemble slicks with two grooves - actually those are slightly decent on a slightly damp track). Throw in any deep puddles, and you’re screwed. Having a grippier front tire with deep rain grooves in deep rain won’t help you when your back end is all over the place, even in braking. It may help with aquaplaning on the highway, but if you lose your rear end in the rain on the highway, with different F/Rs on the car, again it’s pretty unlikely you’ll recover it.
As an aside, RE-11s seem to work pretty well over 15,000 km on deep rain, the strip, and road course, on the S4 at least.
It especially sucks that you can’t rotate the tires on your staggered setup. A lot of e39 M5 guys run 275s F/R for this reason.
I’m not saying your decision is easy, I’m just saying that now that you’ve gotten away from quattro, you are typically going to be compromised without the right tires for the given scenario, whereas before you might have been able to make do. I don’t know how the throttle response/TC is in the CTS-V when the traction levels are low…in my experience, stock for stock, Mercedes seems to have had it sorted very well, I think mostly through a slower throttle response, softer springs, and multilink suspension, whereas most BMWs and mustangs are awful for breaking loose and throwing off the balance of the car.
It takes me about 15 minutes to swap rears, check pressures, torque the wheels…I’d still recommend having a decent set of tires for all summer weather (i.e PSS, DW, RE-11, AD08), and having a separate set of rears for when you want to be a hoon. Besides, if you ever want to go to the strip, as Joe says, you’ll be struggling even with R-compounds. There are plenty of treaded drag radial options asides from the full 28" slicks in the picture…M&H, MT, BFG, nitto…
Not sure what the aversion is to swapping tires, but I’d suspect people spoiled by quattro…twice, I’ve driven all winter on a subie and a B5 S4 with full-tread summer tires. Braking was dicey, and in retrospect it was dumb, but awd was the only thing that let me get away with it. And yes it was because I was cheap…don’t be a ‘spazz’…lol
He NEEDS an r-compound tire to be able to enjoy the car in everyday driving. Not just for the track. PSS will not hook up no matter what width he does. Imagine everytime you get on it, you feel the back end spinning and dancing around. It spoils the fun of a fast daily driver
^^ But easy to do doughnuts lol
I’m guessing every powerful RWD car has the same problem then?
Lol I guess the thousands of Mercedes amg cars all cruise around in r compound tires? And all the new turbo m cars.
Right.
Are we talking c63 or sls?
I’m not belittling the c63 by any means but it is 100hp shy of the v.
Don’t think I have ever seen an sls yet do can’t say what tires it had.
All I know is when I’m driving 60-80 km/h and I floor it… the car goes sideways… if you think that’s fun… Good for you. Can the amg cars do that? Do they think it’s fun? Good for them!!!
I don’t. And I’m looking to fix it in a way that is reasonable to daily drive. I don’t think I’m asking the impossible here… am i
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Interesting enough, the sls which has similar power has the exact same tire sizes I’m looking at. 265 up front instead of 255 and 295 in the rear instead of 285.
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Have you posed the question on a CTS-V forum? What are the Caddy equivalents of us running?
If you guys are discussing loss of traction at low speeds, shouldn’t you be comparing torque rather than hp?
Anyway, AWD for the win I guess 