-2800 feet of DA at Island Dragway last night...

B6/7 S4/RS4
#132

This is a fair question. I have to say thinking that jhm supporters or Audirevolution supporters are the sorce of this might be a little off.

I think the answer is in the advancement of power. I don’t hide that I think the B5 has been full of hype for a long time. The Standards for the b5 are frankly lower. You expect race gas when you see a B5 guy actually take his car to the track. IF the B5 car runs long enough to get down the track and not break for the 59th time. You know its going to be a rediclous compromise of a real street car. There have been very few street trim B5’s to run 10’s. and if they did they didn’t stay runing for very long after.

Look at all the 1/4 mile recorded times for the B5 just about none of them are on pump gas. and I don’t want to be rude to reid but his time wasn’t on pump gas. since methonal is a big part of what makes race gas race gas all that happened there was he mixed his own race gas. No B5 is even close to 10s on real pump. The bar is raised for the next generation cars.

Then you look at the B8 S4. those guys have the list jampacked with pump gas times. Look at the B6 S4 and RS4 times. packed with pump gas times. With RS4s and B8 S4s the standard is now higher and as sakimano said RS246 Audizine and other members on other forums are trying to get back to the raw real results.

Im a fan of a pump gas tune even if you add race gas. Its how the car comes. The days of the B5 being dominate are over. The righting on the wall has been there for a while the trend is more real results. This isn’t to say The next gen cars wont still use race gas its just clear they don’t need it as much.

#133

Justin, thank you for being one of the few level headed ones here. Bringing up good points without going off on wild tangents about whatever random person/company you hate. It’s refreshing to say the least. I’ve always heard the b5 guys were the drama filled group but it seems some here are giving them quite a run for their money.

I will agree with you that few b5s make it into the 10s. And yes, those who do surely break something soon after. Reid did have all sorts of minor issues series in the weeks leading up to his run. Lee has pulled more motors than vast. But I do not believe this is specific to b5s only. Any high horsepower audi is going to have issues. We’ve seen that with the rs4, b6s etc. to single out b5s in this manner is silly to me. The jury is still out on the newer cars, but time will tell.

As far as race gas goes, my point is, race gas or not, it’s silly to start all of the sudden somehow downplaying runs made by b5s. It seems, to me, that as soon as jhm went 11.3 or whatever on pump, suddenly there was this turn here on this board to where a non pump run was not as impressive. Almost immediately after jhm ran that time, Saki was telling Adam to go make a pass on pump. Then Reid ran 10s and was brushed off as being fast but still not on pump. Now apr has done a better time and they too have been called out. THERE IS A PATTERN HERE. That car that ran 10s now needs to make a run on pump gas only to prove its as fast as the jhm rs4. I’m not talking about any other site than this one. I understand the argument of wanting to see what a car would do in a daily driver setup on pump, but I don’t see any reason we can’t have companies do what air did and show the results of every level. Wether anyone wants to admit it or not there is a pissing match here between all companies involved, why not give it all you got and stop making everyone just attain to the standards that certain people have suddenly set.

Again, kudos to jhm for doing that time on pump. I’m sure somehow my arguments here will be twisted by some into me secretly hating jhm, which is just flat wrong.

#134

Don’t say that too loud most B5 guys wouldn’t agree with you. I think the B5 drama is most of them have ego issues. Drama comes when you call them out.

I don’t think everyone here thinks that going 10s wont break parts. I think most if not all are going to agree with you there. To say that the B5 is relyable IMHO is laughable . and the b5 guys have been saying that forever… Most B5 guys make it sound like they have a relyable car and that they are soooo much better cars then the V8 cars. The point as I saw it. B5 guys have been saying for ever and ever how great there cars are. Well if you want to have a fast B5 you have to change a ton of stuff and pull your motor to install parts. To go fast in the V8 cars you barrly have to pull back your front clip.

Knowing the B5 guys. Im sure they will swarm and say. oh oh oh but you had a exhaust and clutch. There are obvious parts that get changed no matter what car you have. Obvious parts go without saying.

I see what your saying. BUT is it really silly to down play the B5 now. Now B5 times are getting crushed by pump gas times. B5’s with 3.0 motors 10gal spray nozzels of meth injection Q16 pure jet fuel and 34 some lbs of boost on a file that is ONLY for the track and no one would ever use that same file on the street. When pump gas RS4 cars and pump gas B8 S4’s are running very impressive. IT might seem like when jhm went 11.3 on pump that the trend started to switch but it happened much before that. Sakimano is correct in saying the B6 B7 and B8 guys have been less accepting of the Race gas only results. This is why TTS APR JHM All ran pump gas RS4 times.

Adam. Well Adam started a storm and said how much better the B5 was. Said the RS4 would never run 10s and how much faster his car was. Sakimano and others said ok. if your car is so much better run it on pump. Reid he dug a grave so deap I would rather just leave it at that. That and his car was so far from pump when you figgure in the methonal we should just move on.

But you kinda are making the point that everyone I think is trying to make. When APR stripped out the interior took off the exhaust and put slicks on the car there time kinda got egnored or down played just like the B5 times. So to me it looks like the guys here are being fair. B5 B8 if you rice out the car or go to extreem we don’t relate. I think APR took a step backwards with runing a car with no exhaust slicks and a stripped interior. I wouldn’t even include that time on any 1/4 mile list if it was up to me. You see coments on ALL sites Audizine included saying. How they don’t want to see a honda type of run. They want to see a real car in real conditions.

So I think the trend has shifted. I think the trend started with the RS4 pump gas times and then took off with the B8 S4 pump gas times. This started I think almost 2 years ago but really took off with the hard to miss pump gas results of the B8 S4 TTS and RS4. I don’t think race gas results are not interesting. I don’t think anyone is saying they are not interesting. I just think now that the days of the must have race gas B5 days have passed the new day of pump gas or race gas on a pump gas tune is here.

#135

Corbett,

You described our feeling toward different PEOPLE, not a platform. Go back and see how many time Adam said every 4.2l on earth was shit and would never do anything. At this point he is so full of hot air none of us care what he runs.

You also expect Reid’s time to get some standing ovation on a site that he hates, only comes to troll, and talks shit about everywhere else.

The RS4 that did runs 10s made plenty of pump runs before that…the. They added race gas and went a little faster…honestly non of us have a problem with that. Then they put on slicks and gutted the car and ran some balls out tune to go 10s. That is fun to watch…and irrelevant to 99% of customers who will never do that.

Patterns can be established anywhere you look, that is why there are conspiracies about any event. I don’t think you should hate us just because we like how JHM tests their products, in the end we are just happy current and former customers.

If people some want to see race gas times or higher boost, maybe that is something we will see. I would put my money on a great pump time though.

#136

I think you’re way off and trying to change facts to suit your hypothesis

I would always say that to 3Ldickbeater (that reminds me we need to change his name to that) because he was constantly trash talking the rs4. Saying he’s so much faster etc. I told him to go beat the fastest rs4 time, which was NOT JHM, but was TTS in the UK who went 11.4@125 on pump gas.

It is NOT a JHM thing that pump gas times are what we are comparing.

TTS only ran pump gas
AMD only ran pump gas
JHM only ran pump gas

APR ran pump gas too (and were slower than JHM)

APR then ran race gas for a hail Mary… and pulled the seats and cat back off, as well as put 4x slicks on. Nobody else has done that and likely ever will. So which kit is faster…APR because they ran a time in a configuration that no other company and a most no customers care about? If comparing them should we compare one company on a race file with 104 to the rest of the RS4 world with 92-93?

Or should we compare the 93 APR run to the other guys on 92-93? That makes more sense to me.

REID aka lying psychopath stalker, was brushed off because he’s a lying psychopath stalker. The whole ‘pump’ thing with Reid blew up because one of you said he was on pump… And we fucking laughed our head off at you because he was on methanol .

So don’t change the facts.

Ask the b8 s4 guys… I have had this pump gas vs race gas argument for 3 years with them. Seriously.

#137

Corbett… Note the date. This was before I knew you or dickbeater or lying-stalker-psychopath existed

#138

Man I’m so glad “3Ldickbeater” stuck…I crack up every time I see it.

#139

The irony is that Corbett you have a car that should do VERY well on a CV pump gas tune.

I think you should run some 93 first. I know you’re a race gas fan and you will run a great time with it. But I’d really love to see you truly push the pump gas configuration as far as it can go.

#140

He’s tuned for e85 already.

Will be interesting to see how it does.

Personally I don’t think the turbo rs6 on pump gas would touch a JHM STAGE 2 rs4 on pump gas. The rs4 is great at getting down the track. Would love to see it though. Both are 4.2 v8 with big power adders but the rs4 is 200-300 lbs lighter and has a much better transmission making it a bit easier to get a lot out of the car. . That’s tough to overcome when the rs4 is already making 650 hp or so.

#141

I agree. I look at race gas vs pump sort of like nitrous vs s/c… while your car has a great increase of power with nitrous, it is only at certain times and isnt feasible to run all the time, a supercharger is ready to give the power when you need it and is always there. Same thing with race gas: you only use it when you need an increase in power for racing or posting a high time…you won’t get that same time out on the street when running your DD pump gas.

#142

Thanks guys yes, after being annoyed constantly switching between race gas and pump I did switch to e85. There are probably 15 stations within 10 miles of me. I do have a 2nd ecu that should be back from jhm soon that will be used for either pump gas or race gas, not sure what Kurt wants to do with it yet. The egts are picky on these cars and I think pump would just run way too got, but I’ll leave that up to the tuner. The car still is pulling hard but we are hitting a wall up top and are tracking it down now. Disappointed I couldn’t make it back to the track again on a good setup but we will see how it goes over the next few weeks and if we get it running right I’m not opposed to driving a few hours south to hit the track.

Saki is right, the 01e is a hindrance. The shorter 3rd and 4th in my setup does not help either. On my first time at the track I was faced with either shifting into 5th or just hitting the rev limiter right before I crossed the finish line. I’m not opposed to puttin a b7 rs4 trans in the car when the time comes! I honestly hate the short 3rd and 4th already. But that probably won’t happen until I need a trans rebuild.

I’ve got a full box of drivetrain stuff going in in the next couple of weeks. Motor mounts trans mounts rear diff mount, snub mount and rear carrier bushings. Hoping it helps with all the slop in noticing. Also have sway bars going in. Flat bottom steering wheel too. Picked up some 18x9.5 rpf1s and working on getting either a drag radial or a wider set of re11s on them. My current track wheels are 18x8 on a 225 re11. Had a 1.60 flat 60 ft on them on a k04 b5 but they just roast on the rs6 through first and second.

#143

The RS4 transmission is pretty solid. The B5 guys who get a chance to drive an RS4 always make mention of the difference. Having driven a few B5s, I would have to agree. Changing gears in the RS4 is like petting a sleeping puppy vs. the B5 which is like petting a porcupine.

#144

Oh I forgot Corbett has the rs6 specialsauce edition

#145

ran across this old thread. Pretty funny that FT only went 11.2 @ 125 with -2800 feet of DA. Holy fuck…-2800 feet?

That means vs. 0 DA he is about 9% more power. AKA about 3-4 MPH of trap speed more than at DA 0. AKA he’d have run 11.5 @ 121-122 at 0 feet of DA. AKA the same as the turbo car at NewEnglandDragway that he was shit talking.

I think they’re basically equal, with the edge to the turbo car power wise. Looks like if the turbo car made 500 whp, FT is making around 450-470 whp.

So maybe fatso shouldn’t be shit talking and should run the turbo car…

#146

ill put money on FT way before the chef. The chef is an idiot and still hasnt proven shit.

#147

the trap speeds are telling. Maybe you’re not seeing it. Driver being equal, the turbo car will KILL flying tomatoes.

#148

Yea, 104 in the 1/8th and 131 in the 1/4 is moving… Once he figures out how to drive it a little better I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit a 10…

#149

After reading it looks like mario actually did not trap 131, he was the other side of the slip…

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/649015-500-awhp-at-8-psi/page19

#150

Exactly. He didnt trap 131. Regardless, I still have yet to see a video of him with the marker on his car from that day. For all we know he only ran the one time.

#151

where the fuck have you guys been? lol

http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=3314.msg99148#msg99148