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[Auditude3.0T]

ya saxon lost me on the “cookie cutter” stuff. What the hell does that mean?

He is basically saying that APR gives everyone a generic tune and doesn’t really consider the impact of additional modificaitons… I think that is what he means? He doesn’t relaize the revisions that have been made to improve APR/GIAC tunes over the years… His perception must be that there is zero flexibility in our ECU and that a custom tune will dial things in much better? Personally, I think he should go with the old Revo tune as that is custom or was, nothing like no requested boost limits and running 40+ timing advance… Wonder how that ends?

Honestly just look at our 60-130 list from 2-3 years ago. Everyone was running 12’s. 3-4 revisions for Tsivas from APR and the same from me with GIAC and were seeing 9’s and 10’s in similar conditions and same strip of ‘track’. Can’t say these tunes haven’t evolved and been ‘customized’. I think now with my car and same with APR and Tsivas’ car i don’t think there’s much more room to get quicker on the stock blower. If i’m able to crack 11.5 on the stock blower i think that will be borderline ridiculous for a car with only bolt on parts…

[euroswagr]

Trying to make a decision on Eurocode or JHM clutch. Gonna give both guys a call and see if they can hook me up and i’ll return some records in return since clutches in the B8 world seem to be very feared by the public. lol.

Dude your so full of shit…lol “return some records”

If JHM has an option you’d be crazy for passing up on it.

I seriously wish you luck on your next trip to the strip, but try being a little less arrogant.

[Auditude3.0T]

Trying to make a decision on Eurocode or JHM clutch. Gonna give both guys a call and see if they can hook me up and i’ll return some records in return since clutches in the B8 world seem to be very feared by the public. lol.

Dude your so full of shit…lol “return some records”

If JHM has an option you’d be crazy for passing up on it.

I seriously wish you luck on your next trip to the strip, but try being a little less arrogant.

Take it easy Mr. Swagger.

[sakimano]

ya saxon lost me on the “cookie cutter” stuff. What the hell does that mean?

it means he comes from a JDM platform where people think you need custom tuning because they use random parts from random cars all the time.

or it means he has been brainwashed into thinking custom tuning for a basically stock car is better. The RS4 guys used to fall for this from EPL all the time. It was hilarious and produced some epic battles. Guys were told that because they had a different catback they should get custom tuned…and that the JHM tune was only designed for JHM full exhaust. It was a way to trick some of the weaker minded RS4 owners (a large group frankly) into holding off on the JHM tune and getting EPL.

Of course we then saw zero data points from EPL or any EPL tuned RS4 . Just lots of rhetoric and subjective tosh. “Driveability is so great” . lol

[salmon]

Speaking of GIAC improvements, should I look at updating my tuning Pete? I’m not sure that I have the newest/latest/greatest revisions although the car feels pretty solid.

[sakimano]

Three runs in new car:

0-115mph:
Run #1: 10.64s
Run #2: 11.0s
Run #3: 11.08s

0-116mph:
Run #1: 10.82s
Run #2: 11.18s
Run #3: 11.26s

0-117mph:
Run #1: 10.99s
Run #2: 11.35s
Run #3: 11.43s

0-118mph:
Run #1: 11.13s
Run #2: 11.49s
Run #3: 11.57s

All these runs were done on the same straight on slight incline. DA was in negatives, approx 40 degrees.

that’s really fucking fast. Looking forward to seeing it translate to ATCO or Etown. Good luck. Could be breaking new ground for the platform here.

[sakimano]

Trying to make a decision on Eurocode or JHM clutch. Gonna give both guys a call and see if they can hook me up and i’ll return some records in return since clutches in the B8 world seem to be very feared by the public. lol.

I’m obviously partial to JHM but here’s what I would say

When EuroCode leaked what they were working on, the twin disc, someone in the know told me ‘that clutch will drive like a 1970s big block drag car and the Audi owners won’t like it. It also won’t last for shit’.

Fast forward 6 months, and EuroCode launches it with a list of caveats a mile long. ‘not for daily driving’…‘may only last 5000 miles’ etc.

So I wouldn’t think twice about this. The JHM clutch will be strong, and has a lightweight flywheel, and is designed to by like stock but with more holding power. You may have had a JHM clutch in your B6, and if you did, you will recall that it could take a beating and felt like stock for tootling around.

I would ask JHM if they are working on a 1R or 5R setup for the B8.

[notarmed]

Trying to make a decision on Eurocode or JHM clutch. Gonna give both guys a call and see if they can hook me up and i’ll return some records in return since clutches in the B8 world seem to be very feared by the public. lol.

I’m obviously partial to JHM but here’s what I would say

Quoted for the record lol

[sakimano]

He is basically saying that APR gives everyone a generic tune and doesn’t really consider the impact of additional modificaitons… I think that is what he means? He doesn’t relaize the revisions that have been made to improve APR/GIAC tunes over the years… His perception must be that there is zero flexibility in our ECU and that a custom tune will dial things in much better? Personally, I think he should go with the old Revo tune as that is custom or was, nothing like no requested boost limits and running 40+ timing advance… Wonder how that ends?

well the truth is most of the tunes ARE cookie cutter tunes…because that’s what you guys need. You don’t need custom tuning for stock FI and heads etc . This is silly talk.

The better tuners will write a file that can take advantage of your modlist as it improves, and will keep the car safe if you’re running minor supporting mods. Custom tuning again is a way to fool people into thinking they’re getting something special.

[Auditude3.0T]

Trying to make a decision on Eurocode or JHM clutch. Gonna give both guys a call and see if they can hook me up and i’ll return some records in return since clutches in the B8 world seem to be very feared by the public. lol.

I’m obviously partial to JHM but here’s what I would say

When EuroCode leaked what they were working on, the twin disc, someone in the know told me ‘that clutch will drive like a 1970s big block drag car and the Audi owners won’t like it. It also won’t last for shit’.

Fast forward 6 months, and EuroCode launches it with a list of caveats a mile long. ‘not for daily driving’…‘may only last 5000 miles’ etc.

So I wouldn’t think twice about this. The JHM clutch will be strong, and has a lightweight flywheel, and is designed to by like stock but with more holding power. You may have had a JHM clutch in your B6, and if you did, you will recall that it could take a beating and felt like stock for tootling around.

I would ask JHM if they are working on a 1R or 5R setup for the B8.

I did indeed have the JHM Stage 4 setup in my B6 and LOVED it… That’s why i’m partial to JHM also, plus i love what they do with every platform and would love to have some of their parts on my car…

I think i’m going to email them and talk to them about a 5R setup for my car and see what they have planned.

[NY07RS4]

Eric I think your missing it. No one isn’t a fan of AMS. We all just see disaster for you with EPL. home work is good. EPL hasn’t delivered in the past and has tanked many good projects.

If you think turning south is coming clear about your partener in tuning then egnore all the help and excitment of these wanting for you to see what we have all seen for years. The words are not AMS sucks but EPL has…I suggest you read closer see everyone is saying the same thing… Take your inhouse guts and get time.

If you really want to do something in the Audi market I think the last thing anyone wants to hear is you don’t have time to do this right and tune it yourself…

advantages of ams packages-
will be able to fully tune a motor (no cookie cutter flash that “works” with abc parts)
Unless they are building the heads, changing the cam profiles and some other internal work, a tune that adapts to bolt on mods, conditions and gas will suffice. No one has the other parts available yet so a “cookie cutter” tune as you put it will suffice.

for the guys running headers you will actually be able to tune came timing to take advantage of the headers unlike the stage 2 flashes which are meant for a car with intake and exhaust, most of you people dont realize that cam timing can significantly change the ways certain mods react especially with a supercharged car

Not sure if serious…do you really believe most of the people on AR don’t know this??? I’m pretty sure APR/JHM and the other well respected calibrators fully understand the advantages of cam timing/phasing.

they already have the apl tune on their car, if they didnt like the way it reacted and didnt trust it do you really think they would put their name behind it?

How about how it performs? Not sure what a tune reacting means.

Primetime: no do i not have a flash, i feel the ones available may be good for the cookie cutter build such as yours,(could you be more insulting?) but i plan on playing with headers, test pipes, meth and e85 so i want a real tune. yes i do have baselines for stock power and baselines for 1/4 mile times.

Glad you’ll be playing with headers and test pipes and…other stuff. Don’t play too much, someone told me you might go blind.

[Auditude3.0T]

Three runs in new car:

0-115mph:
Run #1: 10.64s
Run #2: 11.0s
Run #3: 11.08s

0-116mph:
Run #1: 10.82s
Run #2: 11.18s
Run #3: 11.26s

0-117mph:
Run #1: 10.99s
Run #2: 11.35s
Run #3: 11.43s

0-118mph:
Run #1: 11.13s
Run #2: 11.49s
Run #3: 11.57s

All these runs were done on the same straight on slight incline. DA was in negatives, approx 40 degrees.

that’s really fucking fast. Looking forward to seeing it translate to ATCO or Etown. Good luck. Could be breaking new ground for the platform here.

Thanks man, i’m really hoping so… I would be happy with anything in the 11’s but realistically my goal is always to be the fastest and i would really love to hit mid 11’s consistently in this car… I’ve come to the conclusion i will never go Stage 3 so i’m trying to get everything out of the car that i can from it’s current performance maybe just adding some LW parts…

[sakimano]

Thanks man, i’m really hoping so… I would be happy with anything in the 11’s but realistically my goal is always to be the fastest and i would really love to hit mid 11’s consistently in this car… I’ve come to the conclusion i will never go Stage 3 so i’m trying to get everything out of the car that i can from it’s current performance maybe just adding some LW parts…

can you post your 60-90, 60-100 from your fastest run? also what are your shift points on the facelift 8k s4?

[saxon]

ya saxon lost me on the “cookie cutter” stuff. What the hell does that mean?

He is basically saying that APR gives everyone a generic tune and doesn’t really consider the impact of additional modificaitons… I think that is what he means? He doesn’t relaize the revisions that have been made to improve APR/GIAC tunes over the years… His perception must be that there is zero flexibility in our ECU and that a custom tune will dial things in much better? Personally, I think he should go with the old Revo tune as that is custom or was, nothing like no requested boost limits and running 40+ timing advance… Wonder how that ends?

you seem like a smart guy, if you dont think that different mods/fuel require different cam angles than im not sure what to tell you…

yes cookie cutter means you go and buy everything off the shelf and mod your car based on “stages” … i dont mean to get your panties in a bunch and im glad you dont mind going to a sho pto get flashed everytime, epl/ams already have a flashing tool for the b8 that will allow remote flashing and remote tuning for one off setups.

[theKB]

I just noticed that Auditude had mentioned he is running C16. Obviously no cats but it runs well on leaded fuel?

Have been debating trying C16 in my 2.0T for next season although the plan is to get it running on E85 at some point. Haven’t seen or heard of too many people running leaded in DI motors!

Exciting ;D

[Auditude3.0T]

I just noticed that Auditude had mentioned he is running C16. Obviously no cats but it runs well on leaded fuel?

Have been debating trying C16 in my 2.0T for next season although the plan is to get it running on E85 at some point. Haven’t seen or heard of too many people running leaded in DI motors!

Exciting ;D

Lol it ran good and i figured i’d give it a shot… I’m gonna do it again for sure. It was beast.

[Auditude3.0T]

ya saxon lost me on the “cookie cutter” stuff. What the hell does that mean?

He is basically saying that APR gives everyone a generic tune and doesn’t really consider the impact of additional modificaitons… I think that is what he means? He doesn’t relaize the revisions that have been made to improve APR/GIAC tunes over the years… His perception must be that there is zero flexibility in our ECU and that a custom tune will dial things in much better? Personally, I think he should go with the old Revo tune as that is custom or was, nothing like no requested boost limits and running 40+ timing advance… Wonder how that ends?

you seem like a smart guy, if you dont think that different mods/fuel require different cam angles than im not sure what to tell you…

yes cookie cutter means you go and buy everything off the shelf and mod your car based on “stages” … i dont mean to get your panties in a bunch and im glad you dont mind going to a sho pto get flashed everytime, epl/ams already have a flashing tool for the b8 that will allow remote flashing and remote tuning for one off setups.

Lol

[sakimano]

you seem like a smart guy, if you dont think that different mods/fuel require different cam angles than im not sure what to tell you…

yes cookie cutter means you go and buy everything off the shelf and mod your car based on “stages” … i dont mean to get your panties in a bunch and im glad you dont mind going to a sho pto get flashed everytime, epl/ams already have a flashing tool for the b8 that will allow remote flashing and remote tuning for one off setups.

isnt your car stock?

also, what mods require big changes to cam timing angles? Since you brought it up…

Is it your awful ricer bodykit and spoiler?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/9327586155_f7309e1d80.jpg

[saxon]

you seem like a smart guy, if you dont think that different mods/fuel require different cam angles than im not sure what to tell you…

yes cookie cutter means you go and buy everything off the shelf and mod your car based on “stages” … i dont mean to get your panties in a bunch and im glad you dont mind going to a sho pto get flashed everytime, epl/ams already have a flashing tool for the b8 that will allow remote flashing and remote tuning for one off setups.

isnt your car stock?

also, what mods require big changes to cam timing angles? Since you brought it up…

Is it your awful ricer bodykit and spoiler?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/9327586155_f7309e1d80.jpg

thanks for the picture of my car, im glad to see you researched me

mods currently are a custom exhaust and an intake, i plan on tuning for e85 like i did with my evo and with my 335i. i also plan on going with a set of headers and possibly porting the charger (not sure if any gains are to be had there)

i dont expect you to understand that different length intakes/headers can benefit from playing around with the cam timing but i assure you there is power to be made with custom tuning for e85/meth. and while you pay and wait for apr/giac to release an update i can just plug a cable into my car and be done with it

[Auditude3.0T]

You’re seriously misinformed about APR and GIAC