So to be clear, richib86, the guy racing in the parking lot, and the guy doing the 60-130 video all had the same shop misinstall their cooling system. Have I got that right?
Jesus. That just looks. Bad.
I hope that was a 60-130 on a hill climb or something. This thing should be breaking 8 sec 60-130. The B7 RS4 blower cars are probably at if not breaking breaking 7 seconds in order to run in the 10’s at 130.
Breaking 7?you mean 6.xxx?i doubt that. That’s pretty tough.
couldnt tell you but i brought the car to the shop yesterday to bleed the system. car ran at about 3500 rpm for about 4 minutes straight before there was ANY flow coming out of the core
I thought seen a fair bit of cars that trap 130-135 trap report 60-130 in the 6.xxx, so that was my assumption. Again, I’m not huge on the 60-130 test and I know this site isn’t either when used as a primary benchmark, but still find it interesting to compare.
Also have to remember that a most those guys trying to set 60-130 records drive trying to set records not like you would down a strip. Ie usually only make one shift or two max. Not just a normal redline at each gear like a 1/4 pass would be.
Hmm wtf…that doesn’t sound right. You have the CPS version without the supplemental pump? I’m pretty sure the stock pump doesn’t turn on until some threshold is met. Maybe coolant temp? Or IAT’s? Tony at epl mentioned this as something they modify.
Is this happening to all of you?
Is it like someone forgot to cut it?
cut it?
IDK if its happening to them, im not in contact with any of them but i was shocked how long it took for even a drop to dribble out of the bleeder valve
So all of these horrible times are due to shops not knowing how to bleed the coolant? Haha that is comical.
What did your logs show? A cooling issue…seems like you would have said that from the get go if that was the case.
Primetime, why do you have so much confidence in Eric? Didnt you ditch the DSG tune they recently couldn’t figure out.
Everyone needs to adjust their expectations around this being a DIY kit. No one goes from 333 HP to 600 HP in one bolt on 5 hour job, unless the kit says DINAN on it. As chronicled on these very Audi forums, we’re often the first people to do something to the B8 and there is a tuning and QA process. I would be surprised if it worked the first time by dumb luck.
Second, bleeding the OEM blower is a tricky process. Bleeding the 1720 beast might be harder for a variety of reasons. You need a pretty well resourced shop to have a dealer-quality vacuum bleeder. I’m thankful mine did and I’m reticent to flush the coolant any time soon.
The price is the price. APR is going to have to provide a lot of support for customers to get this right so they’re right to charge for their software. The blower doesn’t magically get cheaper just because the application isn’t yet proven (and likely will be).
This kit will never be CARB legal and it’s a giant hassle to install clearly, so you’d be insane to do this in California unless you like removing it every 22 months for smog checks.
Just a complete aside, most of the people on the AZ thread would have trouble running a 13 in the 1/4 in their B8 S4. I don’t know why they are losing their minds over 200 milliseconds on a $10k kit they’re not buying.
I don’t get why you think Dinan’s shit worked? DInan cars were traditionally slow as fuck, and all about the dyno.
Similar to you. Slow as fuck where it counts (acceleration testing) so you talk about your dyno success instead. You’re doing it wrong.
If you’ve ever owned a BMW they have to go to the dealer like once a month for something. Free maintenance has never cost me so much hassle. DINAN makes it so you car at least starts every day and performs consistently, but the QA and tuning cost is fully priced in. This $10k kit is really an $18k kit with support and certification. What we’re witnessing is a distributed effort to do the hard part to collectively save the early adopters $80k.
I have to drive my buddy’s stage 2 F80 M3 but he has been working literal 100 hour weeks at Apple for 3 months straight. In the hands of Auditude this car could very well put down a 9.97 in the 1/4. For everyone else it will do 11’s.
Eric doesn’t do the TCU tuning.
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LOL! That first part’s a little loaded as we’re probably all a little that way, but yeah probably… Still up in the air but yes I may still purchase, just waiting on Magnuson… I’ve seen the logs, this issue will get resolved and the car will perform…
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My experience with Eric has been very positive and the v3 tune is stout and will prove to be even more so this fall with cool temps… No, I still have a version of the dsg tune with no LC and AMAX enabled but will probably need a little more dialing in stage II or III I’d guess… Eric is the engine/ecu tuner for APR, he’s not the tcu tuner…
Oh, ok…I guess I’m just use to tuners that do it all, not just a specific piece of the car.
So you’ve seen the logs…and the “issues will be resolved”? So you guys are thinking this was all a cooling issue or is it a tuning issue? and why are people hoping for a resolution after the fact? This kit has been in the works forever. The release video was on a smaller pulley and race gas. I personally think this kit will suck on pump and with the pulley offered regardless of the tune of cooling system. I don’t think it will get smashed like it did in the videos, but I highly doubt the gains will be worth it…just my opinion.
Euro, Yes, I’ve seen the logs… Not my car and I’m not physically there so honestly not sure what the issue is but I think the logs make it pretty clear it’s not the blower, actually quite the opposite. There is no “you guys”, I’m speaking on my own here but yes I’d say it’s a clear cooling/tuning issue… I haven’t talked to APR or Magnuson about this but I did talk to HS tuning and sent Richi and Tsivas my thought fwiw… I don’t disagree at all that this should have been resolved prior to being released or before video’s start getting posted on line, but I’d assume Magnuson choose the shops to test this and they in turn choose the testers… I’d have logged the car with the installer prior to taking possession of it but again I wasn’t one of the folks they wanted to get the beta kit, so not much I can do about it. Their mistake really…
The best part is those two guys racing magically put this kit back into beta testing.
All I know is that this was an Apr kit all along…and now all of the sudden it’s a Magnuson kit.
Once the kit is tested it
flops. Looks like Apr wants nothing to do with the regular kits and are trying to distance themselves from it even though it has their name all over the hardware lol. Suddenly everyone’s playing hot potato with it.
^^ that’s precisely my issue with it. The haphazard launch advertised this thing as the real deal - the final, be-all, end-all revolutionary product. We’re now a few weeks in and come to discover people are paying beta dollars for this thing and proving quite resoundingly that many issues remain.
What bothers me in particular is that, by now, I thought the B8 crowd was different. It learned from the fiascos of the B5/6/7 platforms and demanded strict proof with hard acceleration numbers. No BS dyno numbers or even trumped-up 60-130 numbers. No, we want time slips. Lots of them.
But all that seems to have gone out the window here. I hope with time we’ll see people make something out of this - but until then, I’ll remain skeptical. And in fact, I’m actually more interested in what Jones has cooking than the new blower.
What is the difference between stage 2 and stage 3 software exactly? Like how would the car run if you just left it on the old software and popped in a new blower?
^ most likely A or B, but there’s also the scenario where your scared your big financial investment in the car with a supercharger doesn’t mean that your car is now worth significantly less than even stock pricing due to the likelyhood of a trashed motor. And that being a trashed motor that is more or less not rebuild able and not able to cheaply find a replacement.