probably they want to check a few things and load a new file or something
Secretly slap a smaller pulley on maybe…
A smaller pulley won’t do any good unless they find a way to better deal with the heat. Smaller pulley, more boost, more heat…
Meth…
Let me borrow kit for a week or two and I’ll spray Meth all over it.
The only meth system I would trust is the one on the M4 GTS. And knowing BMW that won’t be very reliable either. Free maintenance! You just have to waste a ton of your time at the dealership.
If you read my above post, I think that’s where it’s at. I would almost go as far to say that a full coolant system and W/M kit will be required to really use the stage 3 kit with any real success.
Yes of course.
I have been running meth for over 2 years now with zero issues.
So, you basically contradicted yourself in that post… What do you know about the BMW that makes it better than anything else?
There are plenty of way to build in safeguards with an already reliable kit. Ideally, with something like a stage 3 you would have something packaged with it, and tuned for it.
I don’t know much at all about meth but if you did have to use it for the S3 system to operate at a safe/usable temp doesn’t that make it somewhat track only - meaning you’d have concede part of the daily driver attributes of the car? I would think that requirement would severely narrow the marketability of the kit.
I think we need a properly running stage III first to understand the problems.
Temp protection 10 degrees C lower than stock will be the next problem, since that’s in the tune.
The mild pulley is also an issue, but I’d understand why they went that route, with the pressure barely over a healthy stage II - but they must account for the more efficient island of efficiency in the blower curve where this operates. And the “beta tester” marketing thing
In the other thread I figured at least 35 hp for the stage II TVS R1320 setup, in air compression power alone at peak power - likely another 1-2 hp in bearings and rotating friction. I wonder how much more hp is being robbed by the TVS R1740 at full song, plus the extra inertia of rotation at 16000 rpm or whatever it’s being run at.
Also - if the blower comes off again - they should weigh that beast for the record compared to stock. Big big lobes on that.
Audi say stock module consumes 2-50hp depending on engine speed
basically like selling a stage 3 kit that requires race gas and only comes with a 100 file
I think you’d want this to be an OEM thing. Or else you’re like
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/667065-APR-Magnuson-Stage-3-KIT-is-HERE!!!-Intro-price-of-8950/page5
This is interesting however, consider the source, as this fellow thinks the B8 uses a drop in panel filter, his test pipes are better than JHM’s or 034 because he played with them, etc… At any rate so he admits lack of performance and now the blower is back with Magnuson? Wow and ouch! No way Eaton is shipping Magnuson bad blowers, their qa process given the OEM customers they deal with is pretty tight. So that would lead me to believe there is something else going on here, like maybe the intercooler design or runners? Air in the system or tuning doesn’t require a blower going back to them. Overall, this can’t be good… At least we have Richi who will be honest with people unlike all of the other choosen customers. You know the one who selectively post certain races and not others or post made up dynos…
One thing that still baffles me is how and why they picked this guy and RSW to be product testers/installers… Eurocode I kind of get not a fan but I get them, they’ve been working with the platform pretty extensively for years. None of them can keep shit of the forums though and it’s reflecting badly on the product. Something tells me APR had little to do with picking the testers. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall in some of these meetings…
Edit: post 82 not sure why it’s taking you to the beginning of the post…
Richi said RSW was a magnuson dealer so maybe the rest were too? And besides how would magnuson know which were the good audi shops and which were suspect? Shops like Eurotek probably sold themselves like they tried to sell this kit and magnuson ate it up.
And ditto to the testers besides Richi. But who knows what anyone would do or not do once they dropped a nice amount of coin on a stage 3 kit only to get walked by stage 2 cars.
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http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/667065-APR-Magnuson-Stage-3-KIT-is-HERE!!!-Intro-price-of-8950?p=11071795&viewfull=1#post11071795
“low performance numbers at this time are ok” LOLOLOL
“At this time”?? How long has this thing been in development? So comical at this point.
Pretty sure none of these guys were “Magnuson” dealers prior to this kit, could be wrong though? You see any other Magnuson products on Eurotek, Eurocodes, or RSW’s website? As for picking who was involved I don’t know wouldn’t it have made sense to leverage their relationship with APR and maybe get their input, wouldn’t you if you were in their position? Had you heard of Eurotek in Vegas prior to this? Eurocode I get and I guess RSW…
When I inquired with APR I was sent to Magnuson, who then reached out to me. I was told by Magnuson that I couldn’t buy direct which was my desire, so I told them I’ll buy through APR, which was not acceptable either. I explained to Magnuson that I wanted the money to flow through APR since they’ve treated me fairly and I have a relationship so I would be comfortable. No dice… OK so I called HS tuning in Cleveland OH as I figured I’d give them the business since they’d have to install per Magnuson. Magnuson then said they needed to be a APR “Master Dealer”, which they are so Magnuson had them fill out a bunch of paperwork to be able to sell Magnuson products, which they did… two weeks ago now and still no blower… So at this point not sure what else I could do to get them let me drop 9K+ on a product I thought they wanted to sell? This is exactly how it’s played out for me.
As for what customers would do, I can’t speak for anyone but myself but I can pretty clearly tell you what I would have done. First off, if Magnuson or APR didn’t want shit posted I wouldn’t have posted it. APR is well aware of this and I’m pretty sure comfortable with me as a customer/tester… Then I’d have installed the kit properly or if HS did it I would have made sure to tell them I wanted to test the car before taking it back via at a minimum data logging. One look at logs and I could at least tell something isn’t right and would have then worked to resolve it be a installation issue or tuning. Shouldn’t these “testers” be doing that anyway? Isn’t that what testings about? I can almost guarantee Richi via Tsivas and Pete a GIAC customer are the only ones to actually log… That’s sad really! This is not a hardware issue with the blower. I would have then corrected any “air” in the system in my garage or if HS did the work I would have had them do it. I would have then checked the logs. Again, shouldn’t one of these tester company’s kind of known to check these basics? I would have and I’m just a user… If there were tuning issues I’d have worked with APR to correct them. I’d do this in pretty short order, if dragstrip visits were needed I’d have gone every Wed. and Sat. until things were ironed out. APR can get a lot of information from strip logs, videos of the car performing and such… What I would not have done is posted a bunch of rhetoric in terms of the kit on the forums with no data or results to back it up and now that we are seeing some data and races it’s not looking so good, agreed? That’s not exactly good press for Magnuson IMO… And yes I’m a little bitter about this!
I’ve moved on and it is what it is… I’ll see what transpires over the winter as I don’t drive this car during the winter months so it can sit… In the mean time who knows maybe someone will let me test some new parts and such ;D
Thanks! Maybe it’s me but I’ve been having trouble with AR loading of pages and posting…
So you were ready to pay $9K for this kit and no one would sell you one? Just adds to the mess of this product. Maybe APR washed their hands off it knowing it was a pipe dream and Magnuson jumped on it thinking it would be an easy sell.
APR just sat back and said “sure we will sell you the programming but you are on the hook for the hardware.”