APR has been sold to Mangrove Equity

General Discussion
#481

What I posted was taken way out of context so apologies for that.
Obvious solution would be:

  1. All those “kits” that produced as a biproduct a blown motor be returned to APR.
  2. Those customers are then sent back a built motor w/ the supercharger installed in it as a crate
  3. Moving forward , future customers can only purchase the kit as a core based system.
#482

I was under the impression the kits sold were to “shops” and “shop buddies”?
If these are legitimate customers who are purchasing kits at full MSRP from an APR distributor and the motors are blowing up then :o , however , does not change the fact that you have found a week link and you have to address it.

#483

Harrop?

#484

Magnuson.

#485

you were under the wrong impression

It is in full retail release. Well, it was before they pulled it off the shelf this month.

#486

If that is actually the case then I can see why customers are getting upset but then it begs the question. How many RS4 motors did APR actually go through?
What will be the next step? Larger pulley = less power?

p.s. The product is only pulled from the shelf temporarily.

#487

I’m told that GRD’s car went through at least 2. 3 if they recently installed an in-house built motor and it failed again.

#488

P S- temporary can turn into indefinitely very quickly

Also, patent issues sounds way better than “we pulled the kit because of recent motor issues and want to look into the safeties of our tune” but first we need to borrow an RS4 because we don’t have one.

#489

  1. there is a patent issue

  2. there are also SC issues

  3. APR doesn’t have a shop RS4 or even a shop 3.0t (no, a S4 racecar chassis doesn’t count) at this point. They are totally dependent on customers, distributors and employees for those platforms.

Dave

#490

You’re starting to sound like you work at APR and are in denial. Every time you hear something terrible from the APR RS4 kit, you make an excuse, and conveniently ignore the facts, trying to replace them with your own cheesholed* version of the truth… *credit slow4

‘APR blew multiple customerRS4 motors with their supercharger kit’

‘Yeah, but you have to find the limits’

‘Not on a retail released kit you don’t.’

‘yeah, but it was their own car so it’s ok’

‘APR doesn’t own an RS4, they were customer cars’

‘yeah, but they weren’t customers, they were friends/dealers’

‘No they were retail customers who paid $20,000’

‘…yeah, but how many motors did they really blow?’

(as if blowing customer motors is ok, if it’s only half a dozen or so)

#491

INA just needs to post his APR story.

#492

You dont see what the big deal is? Really? So if you blow 20 grand on a blower kit that is supposed to be tested and tried and true and it blows your motor, your ok with that? Seriously WTF are saying? People just spent 20 grand a stage 3 kit now have 20 grand down the hole in the kit and have to run around looking for a replacement motor and all that work done. Theres another 20 grand. So 40k down the drain become a company didnt want to beta test its product properly before release. Thats what the big problem is.

#493

Can you explain where the issue is patent wise. Did APR knowingly copy this or was it just something close.

#494

This is only a guess…but I think APR probably outsourced the design of the 1320 kit and then reused much of that same design for the 1740. You would have thought they were smart enough to buy ALL the rights, but then again we all thought APR was smart a few months ago, now there is not much faith.

#495

Was this directed at me? I think you have my confused with someone else. I have not posted about the APR V8 SC kit prior to my post. This is what I posted:

I was under the impression & assumption that the kits that were installed OUTSIDE of APR HQ’ers were done at APR dealer and “shop buddies” which is why I said it is not that big of a deal as you lot are making it out to be.
i.e.
“Hey guys , do you want to test this kit and let us know how it does in the real world so that the results don’t look like they came from us only”

NOW that others have posted that it is actual customer cars who paid full MSRP for the kit then YES it is a big deal so refer to my previous posts about options.

Reality:
Problem : Motors popping due to running too much boost
Solution : Larger S/C pulley & less aggressive tuning
Con : Less power and more haters coming out the wood work. It is a PR nightmare

There really is no win win situation other than offering a built 4.5L Crate motor w/ Supercharger installed dyno tested and proven to work. I don’t have to work for APR to give you the captain obvious solution.

Like I said above this the B5 S4 platform all over again with respect to the TiAL turbo kit revisions (From S520 to R770).
Trust me when I say this , I am not on #teamV8SC so please do not read too much into my post.

#496

…again , read my post above.

  • If APR on an APR in house car developing an APR supercharger kit blew up a “$20 Grand” motor then NO it is not a big deal.Whether they blew 1 or 100 motors INTERNALLY has 0 bearing here as it is called R&D for a reason.

  • If APR then took the kit in question above , made no changes to it placed it in pretty boxes and shipped those around the world to customers knowing it would cause catastrophic failure then NO I am not ok with that.

As an APR dealer , I never got the opportunity to install any of the V8 kits but I was present when 1 shop in Markham , ON was pulling hairs because they could not get an S5 to run right.

Again cliff notes. Not on #teamV8Sc , Not on #teamsellingcustomersproductsthatfail

We in agreement now?

#497

Post your damn story Issam ;D

#498

Funny story . . . every time Issam gets ready to post his account of what happened with him and APR, Kyle decides to respond to his email promising phone calls that have not occurred for weeks.

#499

Be careful with Kyle…He’ll end up “flexing” some muscle and call the police out to your home for no reason whatsoever. I bet he called and cried to his Mommy as well. Fucking prick!

But seriously…let’s hear the story!!! :slight_smile:

#500

APR’s newest release that’ll “save the company”

A $200 shifter bracket when $25 metal bushing replacements do the exact same thing…

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/shifter_cable_bracket_mq350_top.jpg

http://www.goapr.com/products/shifter_cable_bracket_mq350.html

More lies about the OEM bracket breaking too… lol. The shift cables would break well before the OEM metal bracket bent. If there’s even that much deflection in the drivetrain, a motor mount has broken.

Link to $25 metal bushing replacements…

http://www.42draftdesigns.com/VW-Shifter-Bracket-Bushings_p_749.html

LOL

#blameArin #hepricedit

I like how they also cited APR motorsport. APR motorsport was dissolved at the end of the 2012 season. This shifter bracket was shown at the 2014 distributor conference… Yeah, sure where’s the motorsport testing?

[quote=Arin]Through countless years of professional racing, APR Motorsport identified the factory shifter cable bracket system as a source of sloppy shifts, missed gears, bracket and bushing failure and even transmission failure.
[/quote]
This is just as bad as his intercooler comparison testing with excel generated “data”