APR supercharger doesn't pass readiness, do the others?

B6/7 S4/RS4
#81

I know of an APR owner, first hand, that passed emissions in Washington state.

While tests may vary state to state, it is clear that Washington requires OBDII Readiness: http://www.emissiontestwa.com/e/OBDReadiness.aspx

So what is weird about this whole deal isn’t the fact that so many people are acting like it is obvious that it shouldn’t pass, but rather that some cars with APR SC’s are clearly passing readiness and others aren’t, no? Not to mention JHM and AMD cars passing the readiness tests as well.

#82

Not sure about why the disconnect is there btween the washington state car, and the NH car. We’ve seen multiple cars NOT get the readiness test started (Danny the NH guy, another guy there, FlyingTomatoes, APR’s own cars in all likelihood). In fact it’s 100% of the ones who have reported back this week.

Also not sure if you saw the part about the manifold modifications being the root cause of that guy Danny’s problems in New Hampshire? Since JHM doesn’t touch the stock manifold, and really just adds to the intake side pre-throttle body, they shouldn’t have any problems whatsoever.

#83

I’d bet it’s the difference in states allowing 1 readiness not passing vs 2 readiness not passing vs 0 readiness not passing.

If that individual had oem downpipes and Washington allowed 1 readiness not to pass, then that might explain the difference. I think the NH guy has catless dp’s which means he’s got at least 2 readiness parameters not passing.

#84

I thought the disappearing act by the flaps resulted in readiness not even starting. Maybe someone more bothered can confirm that.

#85

That is what Arin originally stated. I think it only causes two to fail though if you look at FT screen shot.

#86

The Washington car has full Milltek with HF cats (loud as hell) so I don’t know what’s going on. Lucky for me, I guess it doesn’t really matter…just a good way to kill a few minutes reading threads.

I do know that the guy in Washington wouldn’t have upgraded to the new blower if he’d have had issues (he was the most recent one to list the old blower on AZ for sale)

Considering the link I posted and the readiness detectors that the state will loan you, it seems like maybe there is a bit more cooperation from them than in other states.

#87

Jared, will you be at Pacific Raceways and/or The Ridge with ACNW?

#88

Has anyone’s APC S/C passed OBDII readiness? or is this an isolated incident? I don’t know

My guess is that the software wasn’t validated enough to verify if it would pass smog or state of readiness. My opinion is that it was shunted or rushed it to market? I could be wrong, and I know nothing about enhancing the software so therefore I’m just a complete idiot.

Regarding California… We can all agree to disagree. I just think that if someone were to get their product certified with an EO in the state of California, it would mean that the software readiness issue would have been resolved before the CARB would issue an EO # and with that in mind, no problem in any state. There are some supercharger kits that are legal. I think it’s easier to sell it with proof of it passing any form of smog testing.

that said, Saki is correct. Either APR needs a new software rewrite asap, or someone needs to refund this guy, plus the labor to remove the vehicle back to it’s original operating condition.

Vette guy, sorry, I did misread your sarcasm.

#89

Yes that is what I was told and I confirmed that to be true.

Thank you all for the great advise and the chance to lend a ear. Throughout this whole ordeal I was reached out to by members from this and other forums. I was even contracted with assistance from other companies, but not once did APR offer any sliver of help or contact.

Please understand I am not here to say one company is better then the next, as I feel we all are a community with similar interests. I am just trying to bring this issue to light so it is either resolved or made aware of to the next SC potential buyer.

#90

I won’t be at Pacific next month and I’m not sure when the next event is at The Ridge. I have an HOD event at PIR tomorrow. Should be fun. But will probably burn up my tires…which means throwing down for a new set, which sucks.

#91

Yes, see my posts above. I know of at least one to pass.

#92

This is GOLD…

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Please someone let him rig your RS4…lol

#93

^who/where was that said lol. Plus you’ll need an APR dealer to flash you back to stock and then back to tuned. And this is all assuming the stock tune will handle the high pressure fuel pumps and other changes not manifold related lol. Sounds like a complete “rig” job lol.

#94

BenSTlie said it on AZ. I wonder if Arin will chime in one how easy that is. Rigging I’m sure in his mind entails all lines being connected. Like you brought up though…software still needs to be reflashed and “hopefully” the changes to the fuel system will allow the car to run properly NA. Also, forget the fact that you’ll have Heat exchanger/coolant expansion tank lines to hide. Fuel rails will proabably need swapped back to stock.

[quote]APR’s supercharger system varies greatly from the OEM intake manifold design, and for fitment’s sake, the factory high pressure fueling system must be modified. The fuel rails and other high pressure and low pressure direct injection fuel lines are replaced with new, low profile, OEM parts. All OEM safety equipment remains intact.
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Extra vacuum lines
Pulley and Belts swapped back out

I’m sure if I dug into it…it’s not a 2-3hour fucking RIG JOB!

I’m sorry but these idiots can’t be serious about going back to stock to get it inspected, most end users of this product don’t have the capability to convert back to stock in their garage. Even a guy like myself that sould, sure as fuck wouldn’t want to every damn year.

This is honestly just more GOLD from an idiot like BEN, who in their right mind has him install their $20k supercharger kit? Same goes for everyone else acting like you just swap the manifold on and off. I know it’s quick to take off and put back on a top mount once it’s in place, but people are somehow forgetting everything else that routes to the new top mount charger vs the stick IM.

#95

I don’t think they have any concept of what is involved

Ben helped meem install his APR 1740 kit.

They took 2 weeks.
They fucked it up 3 times.
They used fucked up WRONG injectors.
The injectors caused the car to run out of fuel and go dangerously lean at high RPMs during pulls before it stumbled and sputtered (who knows what piston damage was done there)

This is the guy we’re listening to on the topic? Fuck him, he’s a 20 year old wannabe.

#96

Ouch.
Does the SC kit not come with the required injectors?

#97

No. From Arin@APR:

"None of the APR Supercharger Systems involve changing injectors, so I wouldn’t say we had a problem on our end, and I don’t know why they were changed. "

They just cheaped out and bought no-name/no part number injectors off ebay.

First class mechanics I tell ya!

#98

Meem who is a complete nut about his car…so I hear, and who meticulously maintains it let a complete moron like Ben work on his car. Ben probably took money from Meem for OEM injectors and turned around to buy ebay knock-offs to pocket the leftover cash! The whole situation is hilarious and the car didn’t run right, but APR was blamed…until they let the cat out of the bag about the injectors. You couldn’t even make some of these stories up if you sat down and thought about it…they are classic. But for some reason a few people still listen to guys like Ben when in reality they should be laughed out of every thread they enter.

#99

RS4 injectors are pretty retarded so don’t need to upgrade them

#100

Can someone post a link to where this drama unfolded?