I have personally gone to a dyno day and tuner open house where someone has put a stock car on the dyno, then put a laptop on the seat and installed an APR tune, and recorded the same dyno number. Because nothing happened.
It was a pain the ass for someone (not me) to pull the ECU out of my car, break the security bolts around the housing, solder off an encryption module to make it return 1 (true), and flash a REVO tune onto it. But that technique works 100% of the time on all revisions of VW group cars.
I’ve not seen eye to eye with the 1/4 mile crowd because we have very different philosophies. My preference is for an everyday, reliable car that has scheduled maintenance no more than once a year (brake pads, new tires, oil, brake fluid, alignment at a cost of around $3000). Fire some 101 pump in the tank for $9/gallon and take it on the road course. Drive it home. Do zero mechanical work at the track. Take the same car on a beach vacation in SoCal the next weekend without any work other than a car wash.
Drag racing is a completely different animal. You create fantasy conditions, wait for the Earth itself to cooperate, and try to have the most perfect 11 seconds of your life. I respect that you guys are doing it, but I also don’t disrespect people who don’t measure up because it’s not a repeatable process.
I think the former description is more accurate than the later for most of the people on here regardless of kind of track that they prefer.
For example I was just at a road course event this past weekend and that club intentionally schedules their main events in the Spring and Fall. There are events during the Summer and Winter but the Spring and Fall are the prime seasons.
Drag racing and road track racing are the same in the aspect that some do more to make the car competitive. I would say the drag racers actually do less on average as you don’t need to change break pads or set your suspension up for track day. Waiting for the best conditions isn’t something that everyone does but I think most of the B8 guys have accepted that the stock blower is at its limits and without the extra help of a low DA your not going to do much damage.
Sounds like Skywagon had some issues that has impacted his over all results. Skywagon did you know where the end of the track was or were you doing your best to kinda guess. At milan they don’t have a stripe they had cones at one point and then there was a time it was just little boxes and if you were not a track guy you would never know where the track ended. Skywagon post your other times. That should help.
It really could not be further from “press the accelerator and go”. I hope you are joking but it is hard to tell on the Internet. Do that and you get a low 13 at 105 MPH.
Ok great you posted a video of from 4 years ago that shows two close to stock S4’s getting stock times, one which appears to be a manual.
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White s4 missed 3rd Gear. White S4(Intake) Black S4(Intake, Exhaust, Lighter Wheels)
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So what is your point? And yes DSG as many said in this thread is as simple as “press the accelerator and go.”
the stuff you’ve described is what 99% of us do at the dragstrip. Although the larger displacement guys don’t seem to bother with race gas nonsense. Other wise, we all drive car there as we do at home. Zero changes. I can say the same for almost all of us on here. Primetime isn’t pulling his catback or his seats and swapping wheels, but he has managed to run countless 11.6-11.7 times. Not is Mistro who holds the RS4 all motor record at 12.21 @ 113.7 on pump gas, full interior, full emissions compliant catted exhaust. Hell same tune he runs 100% of the time. This is not an altered beast. These are daily driven cars.
You’re thinking of the RWD guys who show up,pull their rears off, bolt up a couple of fat tires on small wheels and go from there. Not the Audi guys for the most part. Those who are swapping wheels just for the strip are in a tiny minority.
As for the ‘stars line up’ and earth to cooperate, the only thing people are doing is trying for ideal density altitude. THere’s no point benchmarking our cars/modifications against shit weather/DA…especially when every periodical out there prints stock times that are corrected to 0 density altiitude.
those cars are stock, so you’re talking nonsense. Density altitude was also 3000 feet. aka running down 10% on stock power. Guess what…they still went 13.2.
Of course, your times were similar to that. REVO tuned. If you do that in summer on a REVO tune that’s what happens. REVO uses odd methods for safety that differ from all of the other 3.0T tunes available, and as a result the car runs pretty poorly if it’s remotely warm, and runs like a raped ape (to a point) in the cold.
your numbers were singlehandedly the worst REVO tuned times we have ever seen. I would guess that you were in stock tune and didn’t know it. Trust me, I’m the guy who runs the 1/4 mile list here and has entered every single one of them by myself, by hand.
I think the only thing I’ve seen that was unsafe on this board is when your VW transmission hits its lifetime launch control limit and you override that. Get a PDK or GTFO.
That is just not necessary. It’s another German work of art to appreciate over 5-6 years of ownership. The PDK is one of the most precision engineered parts on the planet. The PDK for the 2.7 is far overengineered for the modest power output of that motor. It only does a 13.7 at 103 MPH so it’s about as slow as my REVO tuned S4.
The PDK’s overengineering really shines in a monster like the 991 Turbo S
Anyway, my point is the only safeguard that been overridden in a B8 S4 is the one that prevents the tranny from blowing up after 200 launches. Everything else is heresy. Maybe the engine just doesn’t knock. Have any of you put a stethoscope on it and heard it knock?
You’ve been taking quite a beating and I’d say reacting quite well. I +1 you. Still you’ve got to see a lot of what’s being said has some truth to it. You’ve managed to get in your own way and dare I say created a stir of frustration. I’d say that you’d have done better if you’d have practiced and asked a few questions before hand. I’d say you did possibly robbed yourself of the 11 second pass you’re searching for. One run you trapped over 2mph higher. I’d have to say you shifting on your own probably did more harm than good.
Keep up the positive attitude its your best way to redeem your past mistakes. Also it might not be a bad idea to thank the guys who may have attacked you at times but still offered a great amount of support and suggestions
I agree. Skywagon, we’re all here to help which is why we oppose you so much when you start reacting negatively and not following advice. I for one appreciate your, and all military personnel’s service, but that’s no justification for acting like a jerk to anybody ever. I think you’ll find this site much more enjoyable when you share, take technical advice seriously because the guys on here know their shit, and take opinion based remarks with a grain of salt, because that’s all it is, an opinion. +karma for you man and good luck next time. Listen to what these guys are saying, they will get you in the 11s
Another question, what’s the point of running meth while on race gas with the race file? Isn’t there a point where this decreases combustion performance, it’s not like you can request tons more timing unless the tune is adaptive enough to seek it out (which should be verified in logging, correct?). I thought Jeff said there was no point in running race gas with meth (I do believe he adds a gallon of e85 to his mix), saxon came to a similar conclusion if I remember correctly.
You guys are pushing for Sky to pull the pin here and it hasn’t happened. Honestly, I’m clearly not one of his fanboys having exchanged pleasantries with him myself but come on…You can’t call the guy a troll if you spend 4 pages begging him to unload. I’d not subject myself to this treatment even if I thought I deserved it.
Other wise, we all drive car there as we do at home. Zero changes. I can say the same for almost all of us on here. Primetime isn’t pulling his catback or his seats and swapping wheels, but he has managed to run countless 11.6-11.7 times. Not is Mistro who holds the RS4 all motor record at 12.21 @ 113.7 on pump gas, full interior, full emissions compliant catted exhaust. Hell same tune he runs 100% of the time. This is not an altered beast. These are daily driven cars.