Not to mention he just said the dsg can only handle 200 launches and then it’s dead.
Lololol
There isn’t a single B8 S4 DSG that has done 201 launch control launches. The hardware locks you out because the tranny will go boom.
There’s also a speed limiter…does that mean the car will explode if you go 156 mph? No, as we know it won’t.
Go test drive or borrow a 2013+ PDK car. It’s the only double clutch that has ever lived up to the promises of the technology. It’s also the only flawless execution of the technology I can find. The others have weird quirks or limbo states which steal the satisfaction out of the car. The DSG sounds the same on paper but it’s a different execution for a different purpose.
Overall you have to admit that electric motors are going to help new cars post the fastest 1/4 mile times. The 918 spyder is the most extreme example, 10 seconds flat at 145 MPH.
You get that PDK isn’t a thing…it’s nomenclature for double clutch porsche gearboxes.
Kind of like APR using the term ‘RSC’…as we found out that can mean anything from a fancy chambered exhaust (that they never sold to anyone) to a straight pipe hiding inside a big empty can. RSC isn’t anything, as it turns out. It’s a marketing gimmick.
PDK isn’t either. It’s just Porsche’s term for double clutch gearboxes…and the one you love to rave about so much…the one in the downmarket Porsches…is the one in teh B8 S4 that you love to shit on all the time.
This shows us a couple of things
- people who buy porsches don’t do their research if you’re any indication
- westwest is clueless on most things
You could not be more incorrect. It’s in the taxonomy of “transmissions that are double clutch gearboxes”. It is not the same box. It’s not the same as Audi’s, or VW’s, or BMW’s, or anyone else who sources one from the 2 or 3 companies that make transmissions for these cars. But if it’s easier for you to reason about cars, which are complicated, you can pretend they’re all about the same. Every Porsche owner knows they’re not.
Your routine of:
1/ west has an observation
2/ provide no new information and namecall west
3/ vote member rating down
is literally like Kindergarten. But you are big boss dog on all text based four rings message boards and I should really think twice about typing before upsetting the Duke of Toronto whose car is in storage for winter.
West you are truly a grandmaster troll…gotta hand it to you!
I’ve learned to not debate the following things with west:
- Tire size;
- BMW M3’s;
- Tesla;
- Porsche PDK;
- Any non-RS5 S-Tronic gearbox;
- Drag racing;
- Aerodynamics of spoilers;
- Revo tunes for B8 S4.
You are straight wasting your time if you do. West doesn’t care what you reply with. Kind of funny how Sakimano was defending West a few months back: http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=2740.msg81403#msg81403
The best part is that he is arguing with Porsche Head of Development Wolfgang Hatz who said
“We then also developed a dual-clutch gearbox; a derivative of the DL501 Audi gearbox.”
For the record, I am not arguing with him. I am ensuring the record shows the facts, and that people who read the thread realise he’s completely ignorant. It’s the same with all of his type. You can’t educate them. It’s like trying to convince an ISIS follower of the qualities of atheism.
What if I told you the Porsche SUVs have different transmissions than the sports cars with half of the gross vehicle weight?
I will stick with Porsche Head of Development Wolfgang Hatz
I could be blind and I would know they are different parts. It is possible the VW Macan uses a derivative of a Q7 tranny. It is not possible the 981 Cayman shares any parts with an S4.
You can stick to your 10 year old Audi while the rest of us live in the PDK future.
huh?
my 10 year old Audi (it’s actually 6.5 vs yours which is 5) was the fastest sedan ever around the nurburgring and still has only been passed by a couple of cars, all of which have 100-200 more hp. I think it’s holding its own just fine!
How’d your car do at the nurburgring? (sorry, sore spot, I know)
I’m pretty sure the performance of my car meets or exceeds the RS5 with the mods I threw into it. So whatever that time is, is a fair guess.
Laguna Seca is probably the best benchmark on the west coast across a wide variety of cars.
But really go drive a PDK and have an open mind. I’m clearly as stubborn as you and I didn’t believe it until someone made me drive it, after I politely refused a few times. I knew in about 4 minutes that it would change the way I buy cars forever.
The funny thing is you act like I don’t have 3 friends with 991s and 997s. I have driven it. It’s nice. I don’t think it’s earth shattering. It’s a quick shifting dual clutch that does what you ask of it, or if left to do it for you, does very well. I can say the same for the RS5. I can say the same for the S6. The S4 I drove was a bit clunky and I really hated the thump from the exhaust on upshifts while WOT. However 99% of the time, the S4/RS5/997.2 C4s/991 C2S all felt the same.
I don’t understand why you think Porsche have split the atom? Reality is these cars need to do what you want them to or what would be intuituve. The S4 DSG has a bunch of protective code written into its TCU that is a bit annoying to Audi owners. Otherwise, I don’t see the major faults you keep referring to. Again, I’ve driven a number of these things. I’ve driven early PDK cars. I’ve driven the newest 991 PDK cars (not a GT3 yet, but give me time, one of my friends or colleagues will surely buy one this spring).
You need to move on with life. So you drive the cheapest possible Porsche with an automatic transmission…does this make you the transmission boss? WTF.
p.s. ironic that the worst driver on the forum is obsessed with automatic transmissions, yet he drives a manual
Since I’m at rock bottom, it can only get better from here. Some days I’m not sure if I have the worst Porsche or the best Volkswagen.
I have some things to look forward to. Maybe this can be the year I own and operate the world’s slowest C63s AMG.
The most hilarious part about these forums is I never make the argument I’m a great driver. I allude to some experience to give me more credibility than people who Google for answers you can’t Google, and post anyway. Yet my biggest, high Karma critics insist they are the best thing to happen to the 1/4 mile and they set world records on their 10th pull (as long as you don’t include every American car ever made). I was going to give you guys more credit for the sport, but if anyone can go from total novice to world record in 10 pulls that’s more like a carnival game than a sport.
So your excuse is incompetence? You stick to road racing where the the measurement always changes, therefore you can blame a million other variables and don’t have to face the truth that you cant make 3 quick gear changes and driving as straight as possible.
No on really cares if your good or bad, but your constantly calling people who make great runs cheats because of the octane of their gas, the track, or pure luck.
We are telling you it is simple and we do it for fun…road race guys treat it like a job or like they have some chance of racing for real.
no, your problem is that you ran shit times, and rather than face the fact that you can’t drive well, you basically said that your times were fine, and everyone else’s are unrealistic
that’s why everyone laughs at almost every post you make
further, your high karma critics never say they are the best drivers. They simply say it’s not that hard, and that your shit results are because you’re bad at driving.