I paid $800 for my Stasis SL. so yes im very proud to tell people!!
i involved you because i would have thought that you would think that the DRC is a better suspension than the shit that euro put on his car, thats all.
You are just arguing semantics.
Your suspension is worn and tired at this point and hardly opertaing to its designed level. How much you personally invested has nothing to do with what someone would invest if they followed manufacturer recommendation and want this supension to perform to its full capability. So like I said, that argument is pointless.
I really have no problem with you, but you can’t say that my opinions are wrong based on your opinions and maintanence practices.
Again, I bet ohlins suspenion is amazing (I do have experience with their shocks on my past motorcylces), but most people run them to use as a talking point…or to fit in with the 5 guys they meet at an HPDE event once a year. They far exceed my need for DD duties and spirited driving and I will be much happier with money spent other places…that is honesty.
Blake is right, you just do not get it.
i didnt come here to debate with you. i just thought it was hilarious when you ridicule folks for running Ohlins and air and whatever, then you go and put the dirt cheapest setup on your car just to lower it. cause you could not have put that shit on to improve your ride over DRC.
Get over yourself.
oh and so the motons that are on my race car are just for status? your hilarious.
Interesting experience…and nothing like what you’re supposed to do with that suspension. You have put 60,000 miles (if I read your posts right) on a suspension that recommends a rebuild every 10,000-20,000 (I can’t remember what the bankrupt maker of your suspension recommended)?
I would submit that because you’re over-running the miles between rebuilds, you’re losing performance. There’s a reason they recommend a rebuild before failure happens…just as theres a reason you should change your oil periodically, preventatively before your engine croaks. You could run oil for 100,000 miles too and save lots of money. Doesn’t mean you should.
p.s. rebuild now costs around $1200 if your labour is free
Yes, it’s a joke. Zmoron is in america, as are you, your boys ngng, mick and the other road course superstars. I don’t actually expect you to beat the mark. It’s a simple comment that a car with what you consider inferior suspension set a blistering lap time which for a relatively underpowered car, still stands up as one of the few fastest sedans in history…despite having a good 100 to 200 hp less than modern super sedans.
You did give me a good laugh when you said the American roads are smoother than German roads. I was in Germany not long ago, and I have been to America (all corners of it) on average 3 times a year for the past 20-30 years. I will have to disagree. Vehemently.
I’d be willing to bet that the DRC is a much better suspension, it is great technology.
I made a choice to go with the ST…like I said
[quote]but while doing H&R Springs I found a chaffed DRC line that was seeping fluid and a rear shock was leaking. I was basically going to spend $500 replacing those 2 items and $250 to have the system serviced at the dealer. I would Then have to pray everyday that the rest of the system was fine.
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That is my honest reason. I would have been risking more DRC issues on a car with 60k miles.
I had a few options
-replace the whole OEM DRC system and have no worries (not much sense financially)
-buy the KWV3s now, even though I have other priorities
-try a decent cost-effective system that meets my needs and has made numerous people happy
nah, I don’t know any better so I can’t comment on what is great or what is shit. . I still don’t know what’s on his car.
You will note that I have never said DRC is better than XYZ. Again, I don’t know (or care).
I have said I really like DRC, but just wish it sat lower. So enter an OEM ESS mod. Great!
The moron (not you zmoron) who said I think DRC is the greatest is badblueRs4, who gets upset when people don’t jump to praise his purchases. When I told him I had a blackberry 3 years ago he went fucking CRAZY trying to convince me that I’m a loser because I don’t have an iPhone 3s lol. I have had 3 Android phones since…I guess I’m still a loser. I should email him my tax return and compare to his so we can see who’s winning. But hey…I bet he has an iphone 6!
This ‘sakimano says DRC is better’ thing was all made up. I have never said it. I just said I like DRC just fine.
According to my dictionary, obtuse, as you’ve used it, can have two meanings.
1 being just plain dumb (I’ve paraphrased).
2 being obtuse relating to a metaphor for an obtuse, or wide open, angle between 90 and 180 degrees. I would say his question made a lot of sense, and was actually quite pointed and acute.
He is painting a picture of you as a Stasis apologist, and showing you that your advice, while money saving, is shit.
You’re talking about being ‘faster’ just because of suspension (that’s comical on its own, but lets leave it). Then you’re advocating driving the car for 100,000 miles before a rebuild because that’s what you did, and look how much money you didn’t spend! Truth is at 70,80 and 90,000 miles, your suspension was likely underperforming a normally serviced suspension…and may have been underperforming DRC, KWV3, and many other suspension options. That’s the point. You might be making yourself slower, thanks to your underserviced suspension. Funny how that is.
But again, you guys sweat this suspension stuff too much. I think it’s a gay argument.
just saw this funny analogy. Funny, because nobody has ever shot -10 (you don’t shoot -10 etc…you shoot 62) at St. Andrew’s in The Open. The Open Championshp course record is 63. Just thought I’d nitpick. I get your analogy though…but as I’ve already explained, I was saying that if I use a driver that Tiger uses, and he shoots 63 (66 is actually his lowest competitive round at St. Andrew’s in The Open), I’m not sure why hackers who shoot 98 on a great day need a different, fancier driver with bells and whistles…or why everyone would shit on Tiger’s driver.
i guess we should all be driving A4’s then… who needs all the bells and whistles of the record breaking RS4 and all 420hp it produces to putz around town.
Stick to your ignorant comment from the beginning, you took an elitist asshole stance and wanted to point out how you feel my suspension choice is subpar based on price point.
Then we come to find out you don’t even run the top of the line yourself and buying that suspension caused you to skimp on other areas of performance. That makes you a hypocrite for trying to ridicule me. I wasn’t the first to make this choice and I won’t be the last. Good luck with your car, I know I’ve complemented you in the past because I think it looks great, but maybe those compliments gave you a complex.
I’m just providing a real-world data point…we can all read the instructions & guidelines, but we should all strive to form our own educated opinions. Suspension can be such a grey area because of usage and purpose. I’ve installed several of these systems over the years (as well as KWs) on B6/B7s, I’ve put a great deal of miles on them, done quite a bit of personal trial & error with spring rates, alignment settings, etc., and I’m merely sharing my experiences with those willing to listen.
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-10, 10 under…you did get my point 
I’m sure you’ve looked into the variances of shaft deflection between cheap clubs and high-quality options. Finding yourself questioning inconsistencies with your swing when in reality you just needed more consistent clubs? Do you think you’ll do better shooting 72 holes with a set of Chinese Cobras or a new set of Ping g30s from the factory? I’d rather use the right equipment vs. wrestling with the deficiencies of “sheep-shit”.
I don’t understand this whole road course elitist attitude you guys have. Where, did any of us, say we spent our money to go straight?
99.9999999999999999999% of the miles on MY RS4 were driving to work, taking weekend drives and road trips, and going on fun drives on curvy hilly country roads, etc.
99.9999999999999999999% of the miles on YOUR RS4 were driving to work, taking weekend drives and road trips, and going on fun drives on curvy hilly country roads, etc.
The funniest part is NONE of us modify our cars for the 1/4 mile. We modify our cars to make them faster and more enjoyable. We measure them on the 1/4 mile but that’s it…we are not there 10 times a year, or joining clubs, or putting stickers on our car. However you RCSEA* all mod your cars FOR the road course. You are going there for a passionate pastime, not as a measuring stick.
Truthfully, you guys often have a bunch of modifications on your car. Some are the same ones that are on many of the cars here.
tune
downpipes mod/decat
catback exhaust
improved clutch and lw flywheel
NONE of these are for going round a corner faster. ALL of these are for accelerating faster. That’s all they’re for.
So how should we measure them? Go to Laguna and post a few before/after hot laps? Morons might. That’s bringing a million variables into it that will muddy the waters of the data, and make it useless for measuring their effectiveness at the one thing they do (acceleration).
No, you accelerate, and time your acceleration. I don’t care how you do it…stopwatch, logs, PBOX, 1/4 mile…but you’re testing those mods with acceleration. We embraced the 1/4 mile here because we like real results, rather than easily manipulable tests and , this is the global standard with boatloads of data out there to compare to, so why fight it?
When you RCSEA figure out that these acceleration mods are best tested with the global standardacceleration test at a certified track, , two things might happen
- you might stop painting us as 1/4 mile only guys
- you might actually stop getting ripped off by GIAC, APR, UNITRONIC, REVO, EPL, milltek, gmg, capristo,etc !
[quote= koolade9]I’m just providing a real-world data point…we can all read the instructions & guidelines, but we should all strive to form our own educated opinions. Suspension can be such a grey area because of usage and purpose. I’ve installed several of these systems over the years (as well as KWs) on B6/B7s, I’ve put a great deal of miles on them, done quite a bit of personal trial & error with spring rates, alignment settings, etc., and I’m merely sharing my experiences with those willing to listen.
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I appreciate the input, but I made the reason for my choice pretty clear. Maybe in the future I will decide on a better setup, but if my current choice suits my needs and I’m happy, then who cares. Suspension has never been a big deal to me…it’s about comfort during DD duties and something that will keep the car on the road if I decide to get a little more agressive on some back roads. Not everyone wants a $4k suspension they don’t need…I am one of those guys.
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Okay, I’ll stop saying you spend your money to go straight. You’re simply using a standard to test & compare…point taken. Can I use a catchier slogan though, like ‘the motor trend guys’ or something like that? ;D
Not sure where you’re getting the ‘elitist’ thing from though…maybe from other users, but I can’t speak for them, nor do I really care. I’m just sharing what I know and learning from those with something to share. Isn’t that what we’re all here for?
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Well said. I don’t question your decision at all, nor would I encourage you to buy something you didn’t want.
I want you to address the rest.
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we all bought acceleration mods (you included). Your acceleration mods do NOTHING to help you go around a corner. So you’re modifying for straight lines as well. In fact, you guys run the 1/4 mile (or some version of it) between every single corner on a road course. We’re just better at testing straight line mods than you (you being the RCSEA team) and don’t get easily suckered by the dyno queens because we know how to test acceleration. Not a lot of the guys who are good at testing acceleration have EPL, GIAC, APR, AWE, MILLTEK etc etc acceleration parts on their cars. But an overwhelming number of the RCSEA guys do. Funny that. You guys would rather be lied to, than test.
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we all use our cars 99.999% the same way. You take your car to the road course as a pastime or a passionate pursuit between 2-3 days a year on average (you being the RCSEA team). You invest thousands of dollars in this pursuit, and define yourselves by it. As a result of this way of defining yourselves, you are projecting, and attempting to identify those who DON’T go to HPDEs and who use the 1/4 mile to test acceleration as ‘1/4 mile guys’ or ‘straight line guys’ or ‘motor trend guys’ (whatever that means).
What none of you RCSEA guys seem to grasp is that the 1/4 mile is not our passionate pursuit. It’s just a fun benchmark. We don’t spend thousands on it, or for it. We don’t book our calenders around it. We don’t have stickers about it. We don’t join any clubs for it. It’s literally a straight flat road for acceleration testing. If we wouldn’t get arrested for going 180 KM/h here, we individuals wouldn’t need the 1/4 mile because we could use a PBOX or something on a closed off city street.
your absolutely correct! why do you care so much that i choose to run what i run? why do you care so much that FT put air bags on his car?
my current choice makes me happy…
Zmon, I don’t give a shit about your suspension. Your car looks great, it’s not slammed or stancetarded…I’ve said this in the past. But that suspension isn’t for me, because I don’t feel I need it. Why can’t I offer an impartial point of view (in other threads) about the rebuild and maintenance efforts required to keep these higher priced suspensions operating to their full potential? You guys freak out when I bring up the negative aspects of a suspension system that some spent $4k plus on. You guys hate talking about that stuff and some of you think this suspension increases in value even though it is used because it’s so sought after.
I don’t care what FT put on his car, I’ve said it looks like shit because he went overboard chasing this BS show scene. That is me being honest, plenty of people feel the same way…plenty. If he was my best friend I’d tell him the same thing everyday…“Dude your car looked great, but you fucked it up.” Sure it was his choice, but you don’t add a $20k supcharger to go faster and then add 200lbs of air suspension to complimnet it (that was obviously a guess, but it’s the point).
BTW, why do you feel the need to stick up for him? He can come here and defend himself.
Yeah, his car looked good for a while, and I thought it was pretty awesome when it got supercharged…but I didn’t realise his kit was blowing up boatloads of engines. The car was still nice.
The airbags don’t even bug me. Seriously, if you put bags on your car, have at er. Just don’t park it slammed like a wannabe gangster goofball and make it look fucking retarded. I don’t get that.
I also don’t get people who camber the fuck out of their wheels so they fit under a retard slammed car. I noticed today that he is doing that now. Yeuch. So sad.
Anyway, his shit, he can do what he want.
Great find on the plugs, damn good alternative price wise lol.
Has anyone removed their entire DRC system instead of just plugging?
And if so, has it been weighed? Is it worth being removed? Or just keep it in…