Sheeeeeit, I’ll have to find out about that
Not surprising!
To keep this thread on topic… no wait this news is actually on topic. How different is the remap on the GTI’s DSG vs the B8 DSG? Does the real answer to the B8 DSG tune question lurk here in the guise of the count?
Nice of Austin to disparage my times on vendorzine… He needs to A.) learn to read and B.) learn to dragrace
Just because he spins with that much air pressure doesn’t mean I do/will… It’s called knowing the car, track, tires, conditions, track prep, etc. That’s what 200+ passes in the car will do… maybe he should try it some time… Posts with my 60’s that are better than his and tire pressure… Heck these aren’t even the best ones… lol So much for his almighty DSG tune and it’s ability to 60ft… As I say too my 2 year old son… TRY AGAIN! What a tool!
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2837576 - Also, note the trap speed… have they ever trapped 119+ LOL
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2824849
I am not sure this is disparraging…did I miss something else? Sounds like he’s complimenting you (saying everyone will be trying what you said works best) and questioning arin’s assertion that you ran the same tire pressure he did. He was 37 PSI at all four corners. Were you cutting 1.62 second 60’ times at 37 psi at all corners?
"@37 psi? Pretty sure he runs 24 psi or somewhere around there, which is MUCH better for launching. There is still a great deal of wheel spin at 37 psi, even with the 1.68. "
and
"Per his previous posts, 30-34 up front and 24-28. I suppose we will be trying this combo at the strip for comparison’s sake. In any case, I doubt he is cutting anything like that @37psi on all 4 corners. "
Saki, I thought disparage was an accurate description but that in my perspective… Could I have used synonyms like discredit or denounce, probably…
At any rate IMO he made comments in that thread and several others on both vendorzine on QW trying to prop his and 1fast times up while slighting others who are in front of them on the 1/4 mile list and run APR software… While I understand that they are a business and trying to sell their product I feel they should do it on the merits of the product and not by making excuses like we haven’t had a good DA, we ran too high of tire pressure, your octane was 93.2 so it’s not really pump, etc.
If the comments came from Pete or well_armed I would have no problem with them, you know why, because they are customers just like myself, bear, imola, ryan, etc. Unfortunately, for them other than Pete who is a 6-speed and well_armed who has a b8.5 they have no one hitting the strip with the DSG tune just anecdotal evidence from posters saying it’s the bomb and a night a day difference… Well IMO from a drag racing perspective it hasn’t proved that way even when the tuner himself runs his car with who knows what fuel, timing, etc. they dial in when making passes… The fact that he doesn’t understand the impacts of tire pressure is quite comical… I checked some slips last night at home and I have run 38psi up front and 34psi out back and still cut better 60ft times, so his excuse is pure BS! His well he isn’t running 37psi at all 4 corners is laughable, you know why I don’t run the same on all 4 corners? It’s because the car squats and puts more power to the rear so it needs a lower psi in the rear, that’s drag racing 101… As for him saying the power that his tune and dsg tune make causes the tires to spin is even more of a joke… I run 245’s and don’t spin often while cutting better 60’s, ET, and MPH! Sounds like another excuse to me… Oh and he quotes me running 24psi from some made up thread by Akrion, really? Maybe he could provide a link to that thread like I did for several of my posts that proved him wrong before he disparages my 60ft times with false accusations! Facts is all I ask for!
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter really… He knows I won’t post on vendorzine and the mindless zombies over there will believe anything so I’ll let it be… I don’t trust anything from him or 1fast since they are company employees! I would think you of all people could relate to that point… Good on Arin/Skid for at least pointing out some facts!
Yeah, he’s definitely trying to say his shit is great, but I still don’t think he is discrediting or discounting your results at all.
He is saying he ran a solid 60 foot time with 37 PSI in his tires, and that arguably, he could run better 60’ times with less air pressure.
That’s really all he said.
For me, the question is simple…if you ran XXX time and you knew your tire pressure to the PSI…how the fuck do you not make an effort to adjust that tire pressure if you supposedly KNOW that you’d get better results at lower PSI?
To me this says one of 2 things is happening here
- they DID NOT run at 37 PSI…they are using 37 PSI as an excuse for not beating you
- they are trying to get the fastest 60’ time at 37 PSI (stockish normal DD pressure)
If it is 2, I understand that. However they haven’t really said that. i.e. they didn’t say ‘we want to see what we can do in DD form, rather than running a theoretically unsafe DD tire pressure’. They just said ‘look how great our shit is!’ and then Arin pissed on their campfire…to which they responded ‘yah but we coulda shoulda’
Anyway, I don’t think they’re speaking negatively of your times. They’re just making excuses.
As for the effectiveness fo the DSG tune, I reckon the only way to measure it is to look at ET with it vs. without it. Not sure if they will provide that, or a customer will go one day, tune the TCU, then test again to show a delta. It will likely just be lots of ‘oooo…this feels like night and day!’ butt dyno stuff.
Personally? I would never tune the B8 DSG other than to
- create a full manual mode
Shifting faster? You’re at the point of diminishing returns.
Launch control? The DSG car launches great without it and is consistent as hell (it’s not a manual car where drivers could beit a great deal if they suck). No need.
The whole thing is a waste I say for a B8. Save your $500 or whatever, for you GIAC guys.
Saki, Good points and you could well be right… Like I mentioned it is my perspective and with this being written communications it is some times hard to decipher tone, noise, and such from it… I just got ridiculded on QW by all the “old guys” for being an asshole by stating nothing but facts… As you are aware over there it is all about being buddies and getting your post count up so you can brag about it when the year end stats come out… They even called me an APR employee! LOL
As for the DSG tune, I really want the 7200RPM redline and could care fairly little about the other “enhancements” as I agree with you… The extra 200RPM per gear will help me bigtime at the strip especially when I go stage III… I’m confident the good folks at APR will make it happen though… Time will tell…
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Yeah, I don’t get why their DSG tune can’t do this. I asked them about it and the answer was that it would overheat the clutch packs to hold it at redline for any length of time. Sounds like an excuse to me, as you can hold it 100 rpms shy of redline with a steady right foot. Simply make it disable the kickdown switch in manual mode and adjust throttle opening, boost, fuel delivery, etc. electronically to hold the redline RPM without slipping the clutches.
Or just make it bounce off a limiter so someone is reminded that they’re being an idiot.
I can’t think of a time when you would be holding redline for any extended period of time.
What would the bigtime help be? would that allow you to trap without shifting to 5th or something? I imagine stage 3 you would still be hitting 5th gear. i.e. 7200 RPM is only about 3 mph better than 7000 RPM. I would sincerely hope that stage 3 will see you trapping around 125 MPH, thus it’s still an issue
If it’s a thrust thing, I don’t buy that personally. I think your curve is pretty impressive and I can’t see shifting it 200 RPM to the right being a gamechanger. You’re just going to be travelling from 5400 to 7200 instead of 5200 to 7000 (gross oversimplification). You’re also going to be asking the car to spin the motor 200 RPMs faster. That doesn’t seem like a big deal but spinning it to 7000 is pretty significatnt. Taking a 200 RPM step is pretty huge. The B7 RS4 goes to 8000 and look what Audi had to do to make that happen…we have forged internals and all kinds of madness happening on a naturally aspirated small V8. The B8 Rs4 is pushed to 8500 RPMs…and Audi required a completely new engine to do so. Almost zero parts are shared between the B7 and B8 RS4.
Try making a pass in manual mode and shift yourself at 6800. See how big a difference it is vs 7000. I reckon barely discernable.
Saki, Mostly you first point of going through the traps in 4th vs 5th. With my current tire 4th is over at 117 with a 7200 redline that would become 120. I will most likely go to a larger diameter tire which would allow me to stay in 4th till 121 at 7000RPM or 125 at 7200RPM. It will hurt a little off the line but I think I can adjust for that in other ways but will see…
I also think keeping the car at slightly higher revs after the shift will also help but I haven’t done the math on that for the new blower since I don’t know any details… I agree with your other points about the raised redline however given the 6-speed cars are at 7200RPM already I don’t think it is a big risk…
Raising the redline in my Mustang helped tremendously especially after I went to 3.73 gears… I could be wrong but I’ll have fun trying and figuring it out…
Maybe I’ll try the manual thing and shifting myself to test your point… Hmm it’s a TNT night maybe I’ll test that and the 37psi launch sooner than later! LOL
Oh and for the record I am not confident that the new blower will allow us to trap 125 honestly… Maybe on 104 and perfect conditions but I see 122-124 as more realistic… Again, time will tell…
the 37 PSI thing would be awesome. That would seriously anger some people in California
DA should be OK. It was 12 celsius here last night.
Our track DA was 288 feet at 10pm last night. Thompson was 1501 at the same time.
I just paraphrased some of your post on here. Now you know I’m always lurking ;D
-Skid
Sorry, if I missed the post with support and hoping someone can point me in the right direction?
Some quotes from my good friend Austin@GIAC on vendorzine…
“I’ve seen 1.68 60’ @37psi in the tires. I will be airing down when the weather cools down to see what can be done.”
"Thanks for clarifying, I was only able to find Akrion’s thread about drag race prep. I hope to test in conditions like that soon. I’ve yet to test in anything under 1600’ (nor have I been on a launch pad). This winter should be a lot of fun with all of the new options we’ve brought forth. We will also be testing stickier tires as there is definitely going to be some limit to how much street tires can take. "
Basically, can someone point me to the post showing the 1.68 60ft time at 1,600 ft DA and what his ET and trap where? Again, sorry if I missed it…
It sounds like they’ve hit the strip with the new DSG tune and made some good short times but shitty ET times that they haven’t released. Or they are using the pbox. Or they’re lying lol.
Here’s what I have for him
Austin@GIAC B8 S4 3.0T
Auto
104
GIAC S2
stock/BCS Performance
TVSr1320
11.89 117.15
1.82
AWE intake, ER coolant sep tank, LW wheels
Saki, Exactly… I don’t recall seeing a post with any 1.6x 60s from him… I know there is one from 1fast, so is he now claiming his times as his own??? By the way do you, Brandon or God need to approve photos? It’s just a picture of a gauge ;D
No idea what you mean about the photos thing…what was wrong?> Couldn’t upload to the site? Someone else mentioned that they couldn’t for some reason.
Let me try that now…
worked for me! This photo amd that watermark is loaded with irony
http://audirevolution.net/addons/albums/images/692572196.jpg
It just said my photo was waiting approval? Sorry, in the office so can’t use photobucket… Not a biggie it can wait was just gonna have some fun… LOL
Can one of you fine chaps who post on vendorzine ask Austin for HIS slips to backup his claimed 1.6x 60’s?
Thanks Skid! If those are fucking non-strip times that will be classic!!! Even worse if they are from the display and not file… My car went 3.3 0-60 on the display…