am I the only one that wont click on AZ links to see. Always props to prime to keeping us updated but I almost cant stand reading the crap on AZ
I don’t think it’s driver, it wasn’t horrible, but not great.
It’s a stg I tune on a b8.5 shifting at 6500. Plus he was using LC, which gave him horrible 60s.
the tune is probably marginally worse than APR/GIAC but you get what you pay for.
[QUOTE=Loe;11126458]Hi all, I decided to go to this past Sunday’s Test and Tune at Bradenton Motorsports. Track elevation is 59.1, temp approx 84F, 45% humidity, DA 1764 feet.
it was my 3rd actual run (I ran two a couple days prior). My reaction time of insanely bad because I could not get LC to function at the tree so I had to switch from “S” to “D” back to “S” to get it to work. However, reaction time doesn’t affect anything so…
Here is my best time (although my 2 other times of the day were amazingly consistent, so at least the tune is consistent).
R/T 1.309
60’ 1.873
330 5.351
1/8 8.241
MPH 85.51
1000 10.717
1/4 12.819
MPH 107.32
This was with a 93/100 octane 3:1 mix (approx 95 octane), 1/4 tank, no spare & jack. I was actually hoping for better, but I can see that my 60ft times could be better, like either in the low 1.8’s or high 1.7’s. A comparable APR 1/ROC instake B8.5 S4 DSG that ran Thursday night was running low 1.8’s and running 12.5@108mph most of the night (he didn’t have a DSG file either, but ran straight 93). I found that every .02 seconds off of our 60 ft times seems to affect 1/4 mile times by +/- .1 second and +/- 1 mph, or maybe it was just my car and the track conditions? My tire pressures were 40F/36R, not sure what else I can do but perhaps practice and let off the throttle during the LC -upswing RPM instead of holding the RPM steady at 3,200rpm? Are my tire pressures set ideally or should I have ran higher? Not disappointed in my time, I just need more practice and hopefully i’ll be inline with what the APR stage 1 guy was running. Additionally, this may sound strange, but my car felt quick running straight 93 octane; I only filled a mixture as a just-in-case and come-prepared-or-don’t-come-at-all mentality from my previous cars.
For reference, stock 2016 5.0 Mustangs were running 13.3-13.6 all day, a G8 with intake/headers/exhaust/tune was running 13.2-13.4 all day. So considering the warmer conditions, it wasn’t all too bad I suppose.
-Loe-
B8.5 Audi S5 (Premium Plus) Glacier White Metallic / Black S-tronic: EPL - stage 1 93 octane / aFe Pro 5r + airbox mod / Carista coding
Previous rides: '14 IS350 (Fsport), '09 E90 M3 Evolve Stg II (7-DCT), '07 E92 335i JB4/E85 (6spd), '04 E46 M3 (6spd), '04 B6 S4 (6spd), '01 B5 S4 APR Stg II (6spd), '00 E39 540i (6spd)
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Oh but then you’d be missing threads like these:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/673627-Iluminated-Audi-Emblem
Click it I dare you.
The DA wasn’t his friend.
The 60’ wasn’t that bad lol. That was my best 60’ on Sunday. Anyway that would only cost him about 1 tenth vs a decent stage 1 60’.
The DA is costing him another tenth and 1.5 mph.
So at best his 12.80@107 = 12.60@109.0 in 0 feet of da with a very good 60’. Not at all impressive for a dsg car. Not “good” even.
Yeah, it’s not horrible but it’s not great either…
I had an encounter in the Audi B8 S4 facepage page with a fellow from Atlanta… Someone posted a quick race and then the discussion turned into tunes… Someone said APR to which this fellow decided to explain why Solo tunes make the most power, safest, and cost the least… Of course he sited their E85 dynos which we all know haven’t been backed by strip times, even though our friend Boris said he’d put bus lengths on the king… I chimed in with a you’re kidding right comment to which he went off on me…
Told me to take a step back and read the dyno charts… lol The charts are the “cleanest” out there and no knock or tampering with the knock sensors, not sure how a dyno shows that but I’m assuming he’s seen logs? Then he tells me my argument is uneducated… really?
I then explain how dynos aren’t worth much and can be manipulated and to point me to 1 drag pass with decent results, needless to say he didn’t even post the dude who ran his 6-speed car and got not so good times… lol I also mentioned how the twincharged car was slower than my stage I car… He then explained how the twincharged car was just a test and made amazing power but kept pulling timing, no shit your boy can’t tune… lol He then started telling me I’m angry and a hater… He also claimed will see times soon, like we haven’t heard that before…
I then posted my slip just to show I’m not totally uneducated in the B8 platform and I told him anyone who gets a tune on these cars and doesn’t go APR/GIAC is stupid… Then he tells me he knows who I am from my posts on Audizine! lol It went on a little more and I got bored as he wasn’t going to listen to me and my facts but instead thought everyone should listen to his opinion over facts… lol I’m sure he’s a nice fellow and all but sad how people try to talk others into something with so little real information… Oh and the best part dude isn’t even tuned yet… lol
These guys are like the AMD of the B8 world…
Facebook…ugh…
The most telling post on epl was saxon’s tell all fuck you post that got deleted from AZ. He was pretty clear that the EPL tune did not perform and that Tony was not able to right it.
that thread got deleted??? wtf
anyone copy his post? Would be nice to host it here for him.
I’m hurt :-[
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Sorry, stupid is probably not the best term to use… Personally given Revo’s history I wouldn’t go that route either but to each their own… You’re not out pushing their products to others with dyno charts and such either…
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I was mostly kidding and completely get your point. For me Revo HQ is very close whereas the nearest APR/GIAC dealer is quite far. Revo had their issues but I’ve heard nothing problematic in years and at least they do have some respectable time slips associated with their tunes. Is it first tier power, no it’s not, but it’s not a dyno queen only tune either.
Carl
lol that was awesome. Was personally waiting for a JHM tuned B8 S4 owner to chime in 
Do unicorns exist? ;D
You went on Sunday?
Yeah mon.
Mistro wanted to see how his shit was working and we needed some baseline data to compare to Badtoyz and his supercharged rs4.
12.69@109.7
12.40@112.2
11.91@118.7
All on pump gas. All had full jhm 2.75" exhaust with cats, all on stock wheels with Michelin pas in 255.
So it’s me, then add tune and lw parts with mistro, and the add supercharger with Badtoyz
All coming still this Sunday or not? Too bad you didn’t mention this in the thread!
I had an EPL stage 1 tune since the first week of ownership of my S5. Once adapted, it was consistent (12.8-12.9 @ 107 mph), however when I brought it to the track, there was an APR stage 1/ROC intake S4 (similar b8.5 model) running 12.5@109mph the same night I was running. The missing 2 mph, not sure where it went, however i did switch from a week of 93/100 mix to a 93 octane back to a 93/100 mix without letting it fully adapt after in terms of trims and ignition timing. It also felt like forever on the DSG tuning (which according to PM’s I’ve had on AZ, had early teething issues with shifting and doesn’t give you a higher LC for those who are into that thing (I was, until I read through the plethora of info in this forum). I wanted to go with the stage II once I heard my TCU file was released; $700 upgrade, TCU $399, adding $1099 on top of what i paid the stage 1 $1198, totaling $2297 for only 1 93 octane file (add $500 for a race file, so in all reality for me $2797). Nothing against Tony, there was just no value anymore and I’m already risking a TD1, which I know understand doesn’t completely void the powertrain/engine warranty, just limits its scope.
However, I ended up contacting Justin @ Urotuning who quoted me a GIAC stage II/DSG/AWE-tuning pulley for $2000 ($195 installation, I didn’t want to mess it up). It was a no brainer, I ended up with GIAC, have a switch tuner between 93/100 octanes, and it pulls like a bat out of hell. As soon as it adapted to the 93 octane, I went straight to my closest E85 station and pumped in 7 gallons of the stuff with the rest being 93 octane (approx. a 40% E-content mix), this tune file loves this combo on the race file. I just have to log (dangerous running that, I know, however a receptive user who is accustomed to the car can normally feel timing drops within cylinders, or even fuel starvation issues via your own sensory).
My EPL tune/cable has been up for sale on AZ for 2 weeks now w/ interest but no one taking it yet. I may have to end up unloading it at $500 instead of my asking price, oh well, if I add up my losses, going GIAC still ended up cheaper given the price I was able to obtain my parts.
Loe, Welcome to AR! Good information and what others have been saying all along, EPL is not a very good option… Their whole pitch is the tune at home process but from a performance standpoint they’re way behind APR and GIAC. Be careful with the e85, not so much from a timing standpoint but a fueling standpoint and a/f ratio… Do some logging of those parameters as well… I’m just starting to test/learn the e85 route myself so I’ll keep you and the forum posted…
Welcome loe. I’m sure your car rips now. The S5 3.0t seems to do very well with minimal effort once you get a good tune on it.
I logged a car two nights ago that was running about 50% E85 mixed with 93, and it looked OK (I think). I’ll send you the logs so you can take a look. I only took a quick look at the logs late at night, so I need to spend some more time looking at them.
This guy was running the 100 octane map on an APR stage 2 setup, but he is also running an upgraded fuel pump. This is the pump upgrade sold by CTS, SRM, and others. His plan was to go with Solo’s E85 tune, but I think he is going to wait for APR now. The only other mod he had was a Roc-Euro intake.
As you said, the timing looked good. Topped out around 25 degrees, and he didn’t see any knock correction on the first 3-4 runs we logged. He started to see a little around the 5th run. IAT’s probably had something to do with it. He has no coolant system, and it was raining on the first 3 runs we made. Once it dried out, I’m thinking his IAT’s went up (I didn’t log them because I was out of available parameters since I was mostly logging fuel related stuff). I did log bypass, and it never opened at WOT.
What I can also tell you is he does start to get CEL’s for a lean mixture when he goes up to 60% E85 or so. This happened both before and after the pump upgrade (I didn’t log it before). It looks like he’s getting enough fuel with the pump, but the tuning doesn’t like it or can’t keep up. There are definitely thresholds in the tuning that don’t allow something like that without tuning to support it. He tried to dump about 70% E85 in so we could log the car with the CEL, but it didn’t get triggered in about 25 miles of driving with that mixture (go figure).
I’ve been on my third tank of the E40 mixture, no CEL, even at idle, and pulls strong to 7,100rpm without hiccups. However, I will have to grab a ross-tech cable just to make sure.